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PMDG 737 vs Ariane 737 (Model Shape...Nose)????

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Hello all!I am considering purchasing the new PMDG 737 but was wondering about the model shape. I have seen screenshots of the aircraft but the nose looks off IMO....of course it could be the angle of the shots! TThe Ariane model looks to be pretty darn close to reality and since I have that one it is a lot easier to compare to the model shape.So, for those of you that have both models which one is more accurate externally?? I am MOST concerned about the nose shape since obviously the 737s from Ariane and the 737s from PMDG are different aircraft...but as far as I know the noses on the 737 series never really changed.PLEASE, post your observations AND if possible, can somebody PLEASE post a few side shots of the PMDG model in the screenshot forum??Thanks to all who respond!!:)

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I own nearly all the Ariane stuff, and I own the PMDG as well. I am no expert on what the planes nose looks like, but IMHO it looks fine to me. I doubt they would release it, if it was wrong, as it was mentioned so many times in their fourm. Also The plane fly's great, and I think this is most important IMHO.Now If you hold out for the other 737NG by ariane, you had better be rich, because I doubt you will get free liverys, Id be worried as their is no support or fourm, and you will pay a hefty price for the previlage. I bought their 737-500 and found out that if i want it in a new livery again I have to buy the base package, again which costs

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Thanks for the response.Yes, I agree that the price for the Ariane liveries is a little ridiculous. I currently own the -300 and -400 models from the and a few repaints. Add in the fact that there is no custom panel, no sounds, and no vc and it kind of makes you wonder what exactly you are paying for, LOL!Do you think it would be possible to post some side view shots of the PMDG 737s in the screenshot forum for me so I can take a look at the nose, I would really appreciate it!!?????Thanks!

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Hi Shane, As someone who spends alot of time around the real thing, to my eyes the Ariane model wins in the looks department. The PMDG model seems too 'pinched' at the nose and too fat around the APU. I'm assuming that the Ariane NGs will be the same at the BBJ but with all the BBJ specific parts removed. TomAFG.

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Thanks for the response Tom!!The visual accuracy is really important to me since I am really into screenshots (although I don't post many).Thanks again!

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Go to www.precisionmanuals.com where you'll find loads of 737 screenshots.To my eyes, the PMDG nose looks fine and if you're mainly into screenshots and repaints, the PMDG will save you a lot of money due to the free liveries policy they have. (Each Ariane repaint of their 500 for example will cost you

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>Hi Shane, >>As someone who spends alot of time around the real thing, to>my eyes the Ariane model wins in the looks department. The>PMDG model seems too 'pinched' at the nose and too fat around>the APU. I'm assuming that the Ariane NGs will be the same at>the BBJ but with all the BBJ specific parts removed. >>Tom>AFG.i agree, the Ariane model wins. PMDG did a nice job but there are some minor unaccurate thngs like the nose shape.but honestly, except me probably, who cares about the nose shap and other details that are wrong or missing. most of the people just like to fly. in regards to the sound, the FFX sound wins. the one from PMDG i don't know from where they got it, but it is not the one from a 737-700 with CFM56-7B27. might be recorded from an older one ;) i own both of them, PMDG has so far the best panel. Ariane owns the best model and FFX the best sound. you can actually put it toghether. the PMDG panel rocks inside the Ariane 737-BBJ. all the flaws that the panel has have nothing to do with the model. ;)the panel works great on the FFX 737NG's too :D no merges needed at all! great job in this area from PMDGonce PMDG has fixed the panel stuff you'll have a great combination.

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geez...noone mentioned yet which designers 737 has the better flight dynamics?we know the modeling, the sounds, and the panel...but now whats the opinion on that "feeling of flight" and getting close to the real world numbers as well?Dave

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PMDG wins in the flight model department, they just need to get that memory leak fixed in the panel. Bad framerates destroys an awesome flight model (what sucks is I have a new Dell 8300 2.6gig processor with an ATI Radeon9700pro video card)...

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What FFX 737NG sounds are you talking about??? I've searched the Avsim file library back and forth and can't seem to find any sounds produced by FFX...

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ok well then that complicates things a tad...meaning you would need to use the base ariane model with the PMDG air file and cfg and panel...the ffx sounds can simply be aliased of course....hmm, seems that we WILL need a merge process.BTW- i was very dissapointed to hear that the pmdg fmc cannot import any flightplans right now, and in the future there are no plans to make it import an fs2002/fs2004 plan (it will only import an fsbuild plan in the future)...i dunno who made this design decision but it was in poor judgement. Its forcing you to use fsbuild if you wanna fly their plane...you should be able to import an fs2002/2004 plan so you can use whatever planner you wish. This alone will stop me from buying the plane until this necessary feature can be implemented. Plus ill wait a few months to let them patch it all up and get it ready for primetime...maybe by the time the BBJ version or 800/900 series releases.Dave

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My recomendation is based purely on my interactions with PMDG - the first add-on I ever purchased was their 757 for Fly2K.They are dedicated, responsive and have a great sense of humor. You can't say that about Ariane. Colin

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Hi Dave, I'm just visiting !Not totally accurate :- not true there are no plans. I responded in the forum about release day...- FSBuild 1.4 will (out VERY soon) support the NG as well as the 2.01.- 1.4 is FREEWARE- I made the decision (but see above)- exactly, the 800-900 will support FS FPs- patch (but not addressing the FP import) will be release WAY before "months"Cheers,anthonyAnthony MertonPrecision Manuals Developmenthttp://www.precisionmanuals.com

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> have a great sense of humorThat's right : I forgot to mention in my above post that we can import or own-FMC-generated flight plans !:-)anthonyAnthony MertonPrecision Manuals Developmenthttp://www.precisionmanuals.com

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Hello All,Well, I own most of the Ariane aircraft, including the new 500, and have always been pleased with the product.On the subject of PMDG, I looked at the screen shots, thought it was OK, but since I had the Ariane aircraft, wasn't too impressed. Now, here is where it gets interesting -- I have a friend, who is most mature, educated and holds a very high security job with our government. He is an adult and takes his flight simming very serious.He is also, one of the nicest guys I have ever had the pleasure to be associated with. He did not like the PMDG offering, and found it to be 'just not his piece of cake'. He very pleasantly asked for a refund . . . very polite and business like, which is his nature. And boy, you should have seen the reply from PMDG. I have read all the exchanged e mails and was quite surprised that someone who 'supposedly' can build a good product, and is in business to serve customers, could be so abusive and sophomoric in their reply to a customer. That in itself would restrain me from buying any of their products.If I didn't know this individual, and hadn't read all the e mail replies, then I would have just taken it as sour grapes, but boy, this guy Robert Randazzo from PMDG sure doesn't have a acceptable bedside attitude . . . and in my opinion, customer service is every bit as important as product in the FS addon world. Espicially at the price that some of the addon makers charge.I know that from time to time, others including Ariane and Captain Sim have taken shots for customer service . . . and I usually let my personal experiences guide me in that area, but I have never seen or read any reply from any manufacturer that was as insulting as the one my friend got from PMDG. So, here's hopeing that this Robert was just having a bad day and does not treat ALL of his customers in the way he addressed my friend -- because, if he does, this forum thread will get very long. Best to All and Happy 4th of July.Clayton T. DopkeMajor, USAF (retired)"Drac"B52Drivr@aol.com

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PMDG are not the only ones that can get in a bad mood regarding refunds these days.....Unfortunately, it comes down to buying, trying them out for a few days, then deciding it's not "their cup of tea", or "piece of cake" as you say. Or more like, it takes too much bookwork to fly this thing, or quick boredom & on to something else.If customer service "cheerfully" refunds the purchase price for the above reasons, then you could probably kiss about 50% of the sales "goodby"! There are just too many "fly um" and don't really "like um" flyers in this community, and it's off to download the next project. Therefore you need to understand that developers & their customer service gets a bit on the "ragged" side once & a while.......... or even more!!L.Adamson

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Dear Clayton-I wonder what made you post in this forum. Yes, we monitor it, but it's hardly the place for such allegations. In fact, I have seen you post various items in our own PMDG forum, so I am left to wonder why this didn't come to us directly...What makes you feel that you should "tell everyone" about Robert Randazzo's attitude in the MSFS forum when you don't even NAME the "other party" - who remains anonymous as "I have a friend"?I am not asking administrators or forum moderators to delete your post, simply because we have nothing to fear - we're always interested for the truth to shine.Should you want to continue this discussion, I would respectfully ask you to either email us directly, or at least post in our forum, where Robert might have a chance to reply (or at least READ it) - our priority right now lies with our customers, so if we don't take the time to answer immediately, I am sure you'll understand.Respectfully,

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I think the nose shape is spot on!I have the Ariane BBJ and it certainly doesn't compare to the PMDG model.Just my 0.2c worth :)

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I mean c'monSome people really do have some strange chemical addictions How can you post something about PMDG in a general forum without giving PMDG the chance to respond to your allegations? And who is this nameless friend of yours? Is Mariah Carey buying from PMDG and you want to keep her identity hidden??I'm not taking sides in this little misunderstanding but what I can say from personal experience is that PMDG has given me speedy friendly service and answered all my questions and more then that given me a great product. Is the nose shape 100% correct? Who knows, this is a computer simulation!! Nothing in any model will ever be perfect, I can think of QUITE a few issues with the Ariane model off the bat. In terms of who gives a better overall NG package? PMDG hands down....panel, sound, accurate flight model, visual model, virtual cockpit, virtual cabin...At the end of the day it comes down to whatever floats your boat but if you're gonna attack a company you might wanna do it in their own forum not in another one thinking they won't notice what you're ranting about, no offense.JasonP.S. In response to an earlier post..As an American Airlines flight attendant I work quite often on our 737-800 aircraft and I can assure you that the sound package for this plane is one of the best features, it's dead on and crips and clear, just like the FFX sound package.

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HiI normally visit forums just read and not post messages, I find them an excellent place for information. I've waited a long time for a decent 737, an aircraft which I felt a lot of our freeware and payware developers have ignored since Dreamfleet. I was tempted to purchase Ariane's 737 but because of the information I read on the forums I decided that it would be in bad taste to support that type of organization. I recently purchased the PMDG737 and with the support and quick response of their support team I was up and flying in a couple hrs. I found the visual model and fde to be excellent, it has just about everything I have always wanted in an aircraft addon.I feel confident that this is going to be the frontrunner as far as a 737 is concern after they get all the bugs worked out. Nicasio R. Sayles SSgt.USAF Hon. Discharge P.S. I think this plane will put a big dent in Ariane's pocket.

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For me Shane the PMDG model wins big :-) really love it as for the sounds the best I'v heard virtual as for the panel when the few bugs will be addressed they set a new benchmark :-)I'll own both of course look at the link below for some screenies :-)http://forums.avsim.com/dcboard.php?az=sho..._id=62479&page=Air holland livery = ArianneTransavia livery = PMDGReally love all the detail from PMDG it gives me the most realistic feeling :-)Bottom line just have fun :-)Andr

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Like I said in another post somewhere, some people could stand on Boeing's bloody factory floor at Renton and state, "Hey gents, that nose don't look quite right, would you mind re-doing it?"

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Well, my experience with PMDG is just the opposite from your freinds. I was having a problem with their new product, I emailed them, got a response, which solved my problem. Robert took the time to email me with assistance. I don't know what happened to your friends exchange with him, but I can tell you that I personally think that perhaps he may be having a bad day. Everyone has them. Don't restrain your self from purchasing just because of one bad email exchange. Robert has been nothing but professional to me and from the emails that I have read he has been professional with everyone else. You also have to keep in mind that some people who post some emails are not professional either. I am sure that he has read every email had has been somewhat abused himself by some posters. So, there is always two sides to the story. Customer service is just great, where in the FS world do you get 10 days to try a product out? If you don't like it, you don't have to purchase it. Quite simple. Registration process with their products worked, athough I am no fan of it, it worked. I cannot say the same for Capt Sim myself as their registration was for me quite hard. I am sure that if your freind emailed Robert privately the matter could and would be resolved. Let's move on and give Robert a break. Charles

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