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For anyone who has the FS9 PSS 777's installed, or in your archives somewhere that you might have had difficulty reinstalling:Thought there might be someone that would be interested in this:I have the "PSS-B772LR" and the "PSS-B773ER" Boeing 777's which I purchased long ago for FS9. After a systems upgrade, I included new harddrives with formats and a complete reinstallation of everything. About the only aircraft that I was unable to copy or reinstall were these two birds as confirmation of my key to the PSS site was no longer possible as they had gone out of business.Thanks to the kind help and advice from Captain James Harnes Jr. USN Retired, and John R on "The Unofficial PSS Support Forum" located on this site, I was able to recover these birds with full functionality. Thenks so much gentlemen!Out of curiosity, I just tried the same procedure to copy them into FSX, and as near as I can tell so far, everything flys and works fine there as well.Rather than copy the total scenario, I will refer you to the "Need help for reinstallation of PSS 777's" thread started by me, "rhodges" in "The Unofficial PSS Support Forum" found on this site. There are some differences depending upon whether you have a 32 bit or 64 bit Operating System. For FSX, obviously the script edit will be in the "10.0" registry folder. The procedure is exactly the same as that defined in the thread for the "9.0" folder.If this is of interest to you for your hanger, good luck and happy flying:RTH

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Thanks rhodges!I wish I had my 777 install files but unfortunatly they're gone with FS9, long time ago..I really loved this bird, the best PSS product IMO

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Sorry folks:Spoke a bit too soon. A number of gauges are not functioning, nor can I bring up the overhead panel.Hopefully a little work and editing may solve some of this.Respectfully:RTH

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I agree David that it is the best of PSS although I have all of their Airbusses, Dash 9, and the Concorde. All of these fly well in FSX as well with the exception of the Dash 8.For what it is worth if you have any old CD's or DVD's that still have your 777's on them from the internals of FS9 itself, that is what is needed for reinstallation. The PSS installation itself will not work as it requires an OK from the PSS server (which no longer exists). The solution is copying and editing.Unfortuntely, it is looking like any hope for this bird in FSX may be doubtful. After my first try the gauges started working but the autopilot did not, and the flight dynamics in FSX are impossible. It has a mind of its own. Importing the FS9 777-300 air, aircraft.cfg, and panel lets the plane fly, but that would be a gigiantic step backward and is not acceptable.

Thanks rhodges!I wish I had my 777 install files but unfortunatly they're gone with FS9, long time ago..I really loved this bird, the best PSS product IMO

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Sorry folks:Spoke a bit too soon. A number of gauges are not functioning, nor can I bring up the overhead panel.Hopefully a little work and editing may solve some of this.Respectfully:RTH
On FSX it is possible to bring up the overhead panel. if you want, I can tell you how in the forum. :) -play around with the panel .cfg and if you can get it, GREAT! If you cant, I can help. I have a question. How can you tweak the VNAV so it controls the speed in autopilot on FSX?

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Hello there it is me flyawayboy777! I am going to show you how to fix the overhead panel so it works in FSX!1) You need to open the PSSB77704 file in you flight sim, sim objects, airplanes folder.2) Open up the file called PANEL3) open the PANEL.CFG text document.4) the top will look like this:I HAVE ALREADY DID THE EDIT ON THIS PART OF THE .CFG!!!!!!!YOU NEED TO DELETE THE LAST ONE THAT SHOULD SAY [FIXED WINDOW 37]= OVERHEAD HIT 5 TO OPEN^l you see up there! you need to delete the "fixed" and change the "37" to 13.look at the RED line in the text below. That is what you need to fix.[Window Titles]Window00=Main PanelWindow01=Main Panel ZOOMWindow02=Centre PedestalWindow03=Display Select PanelWindow04=FMCWindow05=RadiosWindow06=ClockWindow07=SetupWindow08=Outboard display pop-upWindow09=Inboard display pop-upWindow10=Upper center display pop-upWindow11=Lower center display pop-upWindow12=Panel switcherWindow13=FSWXR2100 Window13=Overhead5) After tweaking that, go down to the WINDOWS and find the one that says: [FIXED WINDOW 37= OVERHEAD...]6) You need to do the same and delete the "FIXED and change the "37" to 13.EX:THIS IS BEFORE![Fixed Window37]Background_color=16,16,16 size_mm=1024,768position=7visible=0ident=37render_3d_window=0nomenu=0window_size= 1.000, 1.000window_pos= 0.000, 0.000gauge00=PSS-B777!Overhead, 0,0,1024IT SHOULD LOOK LIKE THIS![Window13]Background_color=16,16,16 size_mm=1024,768position=7visible=0ident=37render_3d_window=0nomenu=0window_size= 1.000, 1.000window_pos= 0.000, 0.000gauge00=PSS-B777!Overhead, 0,0,10248) Save the .CFG and boot up FSX!HAPPY LANDINGS WITH YOU NEW PSS 777 WITH AND OVERHEAD!need more help? contact me at rohan747@gmail.com:D

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Window13=Overhead
Haven't tried it yet but are you sure it's [Window13] and not 14? Window13 was used for FSWXR2100

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I'm also wondering this - I haven't had any look as yet.James
It isn't working for me. If I call the window 13 or 14. With 14 I can open the upper panel via the menu. But no switch is working.

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It is working. You indeed have to change the windownumber to 14. But you have to select the upper panel via the menu. And not by pushing the buttonpanel for the upperpanel. If you do that once you have to load the aircraft again. This is also working for the PSS 757.

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I tried installing the 777 in FSX (or copying it over from FS9 would actually be a better description), but nothing is working. None of the panels work and I see no gauges anywhere. I did copy the PSS 777 gauge file into FSX's gauge directory, so I'm not sure what's wrong. I also copied over the PSS folder into tFSX's main directory, and I copied the PSSB77704 folder too. Anybody any ideas? Could it be an activation issue? Never seen anything like it in FS9...

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I tried installing the 777 in FSX (or copying it over from FS9 would actually be a better description), but nothing is working. None of the panels work and I see no gauges anywhere. I did copy the PSS 777 gauge file into FSX's gauge directory, so I'm not sure what's wrong. I also copied over the PSS folder into tFSX's main directory, and I copied the PSSB77704 folder too. Anybody any ideas? Could it be an activation issue? Never seen anything like it in FS9...
If your gauges do not display the numbers, install these fonts: Baloo and IRIS Everytyhing is working on my PSS 777 in FSX, but I cannot control the pitch and yaw, nor does the auto throttle work. If I can solve those two problems, I will be flying again in the PSS 777. The altitude hold works, but the aircraft rises and falls 1000 fett over and over again.

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never mind, I found my solution a few days ago. I had not copied voronoi.dat to the FSX folder. once I did that, all gauges displayed and everything works quite well. Only problem is engine start, but once I set everything up, I can press CTRL-E and the engines will start. I haven't done any mroe thorough testing. What I do know, is that performance is bad when compared to even the Leonardo Maddog. Those PSS777 gauges just drag down performance enormously...

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never mind, I found my solution a few days ago. I had not copied voronoi.dat to the FSX folder. once I did that, all gauges displayed and everything works quite well. Only problem is engine start, but once I set everything up, I can press CTRL-E and the engines will start. I haven't done any mroe thorough testing. What I do know, is that performance is bad when compared to even the Leonardo Maddog. Those PSS777 gauges just drag down performance enormously...
I can't start the PSS 777 engines in FSX. Also can't use some of the panel in VC etc etcDaniel

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never mind, I found my solution a few days ago. I had not copied voronoi.dat to the FSX folder. once I did that, all gauges displayed and everything works quite well. Only problem is engine start, but once I set everything up, I can press CTRL-E and the engines will start. I haven't done any mroe thorough testing. What I do know, is that performance is bad when compared to even the Leonardo Maddog. Those PSS777 gauges just drag down performance enormously...
Benjamin,I had my PSS 777 working in FSX last night. And since I have had my copy (of FSX) for a short time this is not bad!I think if we just did a little bit of work we could get the whole aircraft working. It wasn't giving me performance issues. But I didn't fly with it in A/P.We may need assistance of a developer or some guru who knows how to fix these things.I would like to start my engines on the VC and use my buttons on the VC.Daniel

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Hello,I have the PSS 777 installed on FSX, but when I take off, and engage the autopilot, the altitude swings round like mad. Alt hold won't work nor will VS or VNAV. Once A/P is engaged, the aircraft's vs just goes mad :PIs this a known bug and can it be solved?Cheers,James

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Hello,I have the PSS 777 installed on FSX, but when I take off, and engage the autopilot, the altitude swings round like mad. Alt hold won't work nor will VS or VNAV. Once A/P is engaged, the aircraft's vs just goes mad :PIs this a known bug and can it be solved?Cheers,James
James,On FSX there is no known bugs as it wasn't designed for it. But if we can find some aircraft designers to help us 'redevelop' our aircraft for use in FSX, we may be able to get them working fully. I hope the orginial dev comes back. I am ready to offer some cash, or put in some work to get ti working.Daniel

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Haven't tried it yet but are you sure it's [Window13] and not 14? Window13 was used for FSWXR2100
My mistake, it is window 14

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Any news on the integration progress? I've been trying the same thing, and while the first steps seemed encouraging (inside & outside views look fine, all gauges seem to work), and I am able to start up and (sort-of) fly the thing, there are some issues that have me stuck in a dead-end road so far: 1) As soon as I load the aircraft in the selection screen I am bombarded by a few dozen popups, complaining about a failed "SimVarGet". (And — which is a first for me, not even Google returned a single hit on that!): 2) When I try to open up the gauge "FSWXR2100", it shows up briefly, but then disappears right away again. If I remove the reference to this gauge in panel.cfg FSX will lock up altogether once the plane is fully loaded. 3) Just like some of the previous posters, my AP oscillates wildly, making the trip more of a roller-coaster ride - and the manual trim adjustment seems to be extremely sensitive (I got the Saitek quandrants, which work great in any other plane).

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Thanks rhodges!I wish I had my 777 install files but unfortunatly they're gone with FS9, long time ago..I really loved this bird, the best PSS product IMO
Could not agree more. I just hope something comes along soon to match it.

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I have the DVD and just installed this (in FSX) using the FS9 xfr method, plus SP1 and SP2 and the various file moves & edits mentioned above. 'Sort of works. 'If I select a 777 to start off with though FSX will function for a minute or two, then show me a busy-cursor for about 30secs, and then crash ('seem to be able to bring on the crash immediately by hitting Ctrl or trying to change the View). 'Found however that if I select some other non-PSS777 model first, AND make sure ITS engines are running, THEN I can successfully select into the 777. Switches don't seem to work in VC, but glass gauges don't all work in 2D cockpit. AP quirky and pretty much unusable as described above. Am suspicious of the flight model as well, but that just might be my inexperience in flying this model. I saw another post somewhere hereabouts ('think it was a sticky) saying back in 2006 that PSS was working on a 777 FSX update or upgrade, but obviously that hasn't happened, even though they've done it for other packages.

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You're probably experiencing the same issue I do (with the SimVarGet errors).I have gauge debugging turned on if FSX.CFG, and I guess that's why I see the error and you don't. (Requires "GaugeDevDebug=1" in the [PANELS] section.) The second issue seems to be "normal" behavior for the PSS T7, as I am experiencing the same thing under FS9. Looks like the output of the FSWXR2100 gauge is used in the main instruments, but you can't use it by itself. And if it's deleted, you will have a crash. The flight model is probably tweakable by fine-tuning the aircraft.cfg & air file a bit (it's behaving quite nicely in FS9), but unless the main issue with SimVarGet can be solved, it'd all be for nothing...

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I've done some more testing on the PSS T7, and while some results were promising - other, not so positive results, caused me to finally give up on this project... First the good news:By going back to a "virgin" FSX installation, and only installing the PSS777 I was able to get rid of the lockups (or endless error messages) at start-up. Performance was similar to the same plane in FS9 (FPS ~20 on my fairly low-end machine).All the panels and gauges showed up properly and were fully operational, 5 input devices (via FSUIPC4) were interpreted correctly, and I was able to program the FMC.Lift-off and manual handling worked quite nicely, and the AP was following the programmed flight-plan. Now for the bad news:Auto-throttle seems to always be stuck at 100% (or more). No matter what I did to the MCP it would never let off, and ended up doing crazy air-speeds.Also, when adjusting the throttle manually, the changes are represented on the throttle lever graphic, and the engines respond to it, but the EICAS gauges do not depict the correct status.(Which leaves me to believe that some internal processes related to the throttle are not properly talking to each other.) I was also not able to cold-start the engines. N2 values would never exceed ~13; and no matter whether I tried it in manual or auto-mode, they would not fire up. Even with Ctrl-E I had to do it twice, in order to get everything up and running.I also still saw extreme elevation oscillations on AP, but I somehow suspect that that was probably caused by the bad throttle behavior. So... while again it seemed like I got pretty close, another big obstacle showed up, and this time I think I'm gonna give up for good...I've packed up all the files and utilities I used into one package, and it can be downloaded from here (in case someone else might want to continue one). ==============================================================================And, for the record (and in case someone else wants to continue the "research"),here are the details of what I've done: Apart from doing a fresh install of FSX, I also had to clear the following folders, to get rid of the initial lockup/error popups:

  • c:Users[username]AppDataRoamingMicrosoftFSX
  • c:ProgramDataMicrosoftFSX (the content in this folder seemed to be the main culprit)

If your FSX locks when when starting it with the PSS777, try enabling gauge debugging (see my previous post).This will most likely create a lot of error popups, which can be closed by a little utility I wrote (included in the above mentioned package).It seems that, if you do close them quickly enough, FSX will not crash anymore (at least I never experienced any crashes once I used that utility). In order to make the overhead panel work, panel.cfg needed to be edited (removed the "Fixed Window37..." and added a new popup panel for the overhead). Only works from the View menu, though - the button on the display selector is still non-functional. Panel.cfg was also adjusted to prevent some popup-panels from showing up behind the main panel (by giving the windows specific "zorder" values). The different views (cockpit, pan & outside) were adjusted, to be compatible with FSX (aircraft.cfg & panel.cfg). Miscellaneous other tweaks to aircraft.cfg and the .air file were done to accommodate the performance of the 200ER. As mentioned elsewhere, if gauges show up without readouts (not totally black - *that* is most likely an authorization issue), your system is probably missing some required fonts. I have found that it might not be enough to just put them into the FSXFonts folder, but that they have to be installed as Windows fonts (by right-clicking them, and selecting "Install"). The whole package is a mash-up of several different sources (PSS, original and edited Poskys, and my own). Since I originally only did those changes as an experiment for myself, I didn't keep track of whose edits went where - I only cared for what worked. So please don't blame me for not crediting the different authors, and don't mistake the posted package as a "publication" of any sort. It's just one little step in perhaps an ongoing process of experiments...

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