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Mod, I understand if you pull this but...The other site has put the kaibash on all things 2004 until the official release date of the 29th. Their feeling is that anyone that has it either has a 100% bonafida counterfit, or has gotten it illicitly from an unscrupulous dealer who has ignored MS's official release date of the 29th.Wow!Dave "still watching and waiting in Colo" J

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hi,SO basically they are calling anyone who purchased an got it early and illegal user? Andrew

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Then I fall into that category. I got mine today from Chomba.com via overnight fed ex. I don't think I'll be waiting for the official release date to put it on my hard drive. I also don't think I'll be alone in that...Colin

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"SO basically they are calling anyone who purchased and got it early and illegal user?"I just received my copy a couple hours ago... got the MS Seal of Authenticity all nicely barcoded and looking very official.The other issue, (and the one I believe Darrell is emphazising) is the selling of the software before it's contracted release date. If a website chooses to not post screenies and impressions of the new sim because sellers offered the product to the consumer before the "official" release date, then that's their choice. Can't say I agree with that perspective. If the consumer is prepared to buy and the seller offers the product for sale, then any "breech" is between the seller and MS. Seems rather shortsighted to refuse to accept posts because the consumer simply is willing to pay a seller offering the product.

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hi,I ordered online too 2 days ago but havent received it yet from provantage.com, I highly dought they counterfeit anything and besides why would a counter-fiter go the extra mile and fabricate a tin box LOL.

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> Seems rather shortsighted to>refuse to accept posts because the consumer simply is willing>to pay a seller offering the product.Yep! Maybe they'll have to back off............ or Avsim will get all the attention! :)L.Adamson

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Reminds me of the kid at the playground who took his ball home becuse no one was playing by the rules.

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I was just visiting the COF MS website, and it definately says it will "take flight" on the 29th. Will there be any issues if folks try to register their software w/ MS prior to the 29th? It appears from the site that "official" product support will commence that date. (Tho, when I'm looking for help, this is the first place to get it!!)Just a couple of think abouts for you lucky bums out there!!! Have fun, and do a T&Gs for those of us still waiting...

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So far everything minus the two Ebay threads have been legitimate dealers selling legitimate copies.Now whether it is in violation of some retail agreement with MS is yet to be seen and even if it is so it is a bit odd to

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Well Dave guess what? You are wrong. They did not "put the kaibash on all things 2004", only "FS2004 SCREENSHOTS or tips/tricks/problem questions until July 29, 2003." That FS04 forum has been open for a time now. Where is the FS04 forum here?Hope this helps,JimActiveSky Support

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Hi Dave,Let me know if you find it in CO. :)Bruce.(Boulder)

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OK, you're right on that one...but I have trouble with the thought process being applied. Kinda tough to deny the existance of the product when, like it or not, it has hit the streets to at least a limited degree. May as well start shovelling thru the "I need help with" and "here's what I found" messages as they come in now...This is now becoming a COF forum, with tips, tricks, findings, problems et al...all "man on the street, first person" stuff, not just Gold owners and beta testers. Valuable info is already flowing.And it will no doubt help me on Tuesday...Point taken tho...thx for the clarification,Dave

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> Where is the FS04 forum>here?>It's been more or less this one. As far as I'm concerned, it would suit me fine if this one just transitions into FS004. Not that I find a problem with the O4 forum at Flightsim.com, but I've noticed that the FS2002 forum over there has been running slow lately.L.Adamson

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Told um I'd see um in a week:-lol Some guy then put me in the either I have a bootleg or I bought from some bad people. Oh well.

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I'm not so sure. What Darrell is really doing is protecting the "other site". We all hope that neither site would ever be a legal target, but in this day of decreasing profit margins you never know. Even a frivolous lawsuit from Microsoft of an angry competitor (maybe EBGames decides flightsim sites played a significant role in sending buyers to companies selling FS2004 early?) could quickly mean the end of the site.-Simon

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I fail to see why Microsoft would go after either of these sights, considering these forums are in Microsoft's best interest, and the screenshot's, tips, etc. can very well be from legitimate "buyers".L.Adamson

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Man, I like the guys at FS.com and all, but IMO that's totally ridiculous to restrict and de-legitimatize users who have actually bought the sim. Game release dates and all the manufactured controversy surrounded them (just today I was given four separate "official" release dates on the sim from stores in Tucson) are absolutely ridiculous anyways. Is FS.com Microsoft's police force now? I mean I understand not allowing obvious pirates to post shots a month before the release, but this is just stupid - these people bought the sim legaly, Microsoft will get the same amount of $ as they would from someone who buys it next Tuesday. If a store has it on the shelves early, I say good for them for being effiecient and meeting the demand. Can you imagine a Half-Life fan site not allowing posts if stores start selling HL2 early in September??? No freaking way!Ryan

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Man, I like the guys at FS.com and all, but IMO that's totally ridiculous to restrict and de-legitimatize users who have actually bought the sim. Game release dates and all the manufactured controversy surrounded them (just today I was given four separate "official" release dates on the sim from stores in Tucson) are absolutely ridiculous anyways. Is FS.com Microsoft's police force now? I mean I understand not allowing obvious pirates to post shots a month before the release, but this is just stupid - these people bought the sim legaly, Microsoft will get the same amount of $ as they would from someone who buys it next Tuesday. If a store has it on the shelves early, I say good for them for being effiecient and meeting the demand. Can you imagine a Half-Life fan site not allowing posts if stores start selling HL2 early in September??? No freaking way!Ryan

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Hi Ryan,I completely agree. If Microsoft really did intend to impose a sales restriction on the product, they certainly didn't do a good job communicating this to the retailers - local shops in Vancouver have given me release dates ranging from 11th July to the beginning of November. Also, the logistics were handled in a way inconsistent with a unified release date - the product seems to have arrived way too early at various retailers, which normally would have resulted in them sending it back, if the release date was more than a few days away. Using vocabulary such as 'embargo', 'illegal', 'counterfeit' etc. is just ridiculous and blowing things completely out of proportion.Have people not learned that developers of FS products never adhere to published release dates (Melvin Rafi is the exception that proves the rule)? Why should MS be any different? OK, it's early, rather than late, but it's not on time nonetheless...Cheers,Gosta.http://hifi.avsim.net/activesky/images/wxrebeta.jpg

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This thread is as interesting as the one I posted in the FlightSimNetwork forums. The information that I've received is that there are two ways to have FS2004 in one's possession.1. An illegal or pirated set of discs.Or 2. It was purchased from a reseller that has paid no attention to the embargo placed on it by Microsoft, which allows for the sale of the product on July 29, 2003, not before.We all know that there are "pirates", and "unscrupulous" merchants. How people are obtaining the software makes absolutely no difference to me. If they've obtained "pirated" copies, that is something they have to deal with themselves.If they bought it legitimately, (or so they thought), from someone who didn't abide by MS's wishes, we have no control over that. If these re-sellers choose to sell it early, that is certainly their decision.What we do have control over, is what content is posted in the forums, and we will certainly abide by MS's wishes in that regard. As a moderator in those forums, I'm only doing what is asked of me. Anything beyond that is out of my control.Darrell

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>>What we do have control over, is what content is posted in the>forums, and we will certainly abide by MS's wishes in that>regard. As a moderator in those forums, I'm only doing what>is asked of me. Anything beyond that is out of my control.I'd be "quickly" negotiating with "higher powers" then! I don't think it's going to work...... as is.L.Adamson

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"This thread is as interesting as the one I posted in the FlightSimNetwork forums. The information that I've received is that there are two ways to have FS2004 in one's possession.1. An illegal or pirated set of discs.Or 2. It was purchased from a reseller that has paid no attention to the embargo placed on it by Microsoft, which allows for the sale of the product on July 29, 2003, not before.We all know that there are "pirates", and "unscrupulous" merchants. How people are obtaining the software makes absolutely no difference to me. If they've obtained "pirated" copies, that is something they have to deal with themselves.If they bought it legitimately, (or so they thought), from someone who didn't abide by MS's wishes, we have no control over that. If these re-sellers choose to sell it early, that is certainly their decision.What we do have control over, is what content is posted in the forums, and we will certainly abide by MS's wishes in that regard. As a moderator in those forums, I'm only doing what is asked of me. Anything beyond that is out of my control.Darrell"Tell us in three weeks how that smoking hole in FSN's collective foot feels. This is a matter that MS (the creator and distributor) should take up with their customers (the retailers). It makes no sense to restrict your membership because some retailers MAY have busted their contractual obligations to MS.Good luck,

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What's truly sad about this is that it's NOT Half Life 2 or Doom 3 we're talking about here. It's not a new version of Windows or Office. This is a niche product that only the select truly hardcore fans are gonna be out buying in the coming days. If MS wished for this "embargo" to be imposed (and for what reason I can't POSSIBLY imagine, especially when they've let pirates run amok with the thing for a month and a half while the retail version sat in the warehouses) then why the heck are huge national retailers like Best Buy, EB, GameStop, the online stores etc selling it? Must not have been very clear... What irks me more than anything though is this insinuation that you've comitted some kind of crime by finding it at a store early. That's utter BS - if MS has a problem, take it up with the store - it's not their customers' fault they were able to buy it early.Ryan

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No offense sir, but it really is none of your business how a member acquired FS2004. BobP :)

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