March 17, 201016 yr Hi jahman,Sorry, your wrong and its the last post I'm going to waste my time with on this topic. When you get your EyeFinity graphic board, go and buy whatever cables you want, try it and see what happens. For everyone else, Here is a copy and past statement from an AMD Administrator / Game Forum Modirator.Just in case you are having a hard time reading what he says, it says and I quote:"No it doesn't. Its badly worded really. What it should say is if there are only two monitors attached to the card then you can use a passive adapter if you want to use the displayport port. However if you wanted to use 3 monitors then you need an active displayport adapter."Mike,Are you aware the Eyefinity came out on March 11, 2010? As in less than a week ago? How could a post from November 2009 be relevant? When the poster said "It's badly worded, really, etc.etc." he was referring to some other text as the miniDP Dongle Validation page did not even exist at that time!The giveaway that the poster is referring to another card is that he says "... if you want to use the displayport port" which does not make any sense at all for the Eyefinity, where using "the" displayport is not optional because there are no other ports you could use. (Note also the Eyefinity has no "the" (i.e. 1) displayport, but rather 6 displaypots.Give it a rest, Mike! Saying ATI is wrong in what it says in its miniDP Validation page on the web at http://support.amd.com/us/eyefinity/Pages/...ty-dongles.aspx is preposterous and makes no sense at all.Cheers,- jahman.
March 17, 201016 yr Hi,Some additional reading in regards to passive/active adapters in regard to ATI's Eyefinity.That is old stuff, Mike, posted waaay before the Eyefinity was released!You continue to argue that what ATI says on it's ATI Eyefinity Validated Dongles page is wrong!So in effect you are saying ATI is lying, because "validated" means they tried it and it did work. Period.Cheers,- jahman.
March 17, 201016 yr Hi,You do realize that this board is given out for testing/review to a select group if individuals prior to the public release date, Right? and thoughts, findings, likes, dislikes, specs are availavble for review by users such as myself. Does the 5780 board come with DP+, if not nothing has changed, timing signals are required and passive adaptors will not work.Like I said, when you eventually buy this card and have it in your possession, buy whatever cables you want. I've spent 3-1/2 hands on hours with this video board and the cables you promoted in an eairler post, BOTTOM LINE - They Don't Work!. The monitors are not Analog VGA nor was the system running out of spec as far as the resolution.For everyone reading these posts, all I can say (type) in closing, do your homework before buying anything. Make sure its going to work with your setup.My new switches just arrived for my Precision Flight Controls Jetliner Column yoke, finally something constructive to work on.With that, have a nice day or night depending on where you live. Mike,Are you aware the Eyefinity came out on March 11, 2010? As in less than a week ago? How could a post from November 2009 be relevant? When the poster said "It's badly worded, really, etc.etc." he was referring to some other text as the miniDP Dongle Validation page did not even exist at that time!The giveaway that the poster is referring to another card is that he says "... if you want to use the displayport port" which does not make any sense at all for the Eyefinity, where using "the" displayport is not optional because there are no other ports you could use. (Note also the Eyefinity has no "the" (i.e. 1) displayport, but rather 6 displaypots.Give it a rest, Mike! Saying ATI is wrong in what it says in its miniDP Validation page on the web at http://support.amd.com/us/eyefinity/Pages/...ty-dongles.aspx is preposterous and makes no sense at all.Cheers,- jahman. Former Beta Tester - (for a few companies) - As well as provide Regional Voice Set Recordings Two: AMD-9950X | One: AMD-7950X3D | Three: Asus TUF 4090s | Three: 64GB DDR5 RAM 6000mhz | Three: Cosair 1300 P/S | Three: 990Pro 2TB NVME One: Eugenius ECS2512 - 2.5 GHz Switch | Three: Ice Giant Elite CPU Coolers | Three: 75" 4K UHDTVs | One: Boeing 737NG Flight Deck
March 17, 201016 yr jahman- the pic in the TH2Go site displays 3 different FS views being "bezel managed". Those are 2D views and that is a simple proposition involving shifting or redefining the outer views a few degrees so that a small slice of scenery is Never actually computed nor displayed.]Alex,The image in the TH2G Bezel Managment example is a single image spanning the three monitors, as the TH2G always displays a single image (but can place separate independent, maximized windows in each monitor thanks to its proprietary software.)When bezel management is turned on, the bezel management software shifts the outer monitor images inwards by twice the amount of a single monitor bezel width, leaving black bands of unused monitor realestate along the outer edges of the outer monitors.With independent 2D images you can set your cameras to line-up the images without needing bezel management and thus not have to deal with the outer black bands, but as others have pointed out you cannot use 2D views to display a VC cockpit.Cheers, - jahman.
March 17, 201016 yr Hi,Does the 5780 board come with DP+, if not nothing has changed, timing signal are required and passive adaptors will not work.Like I said, when you eventually buy this card and have it in your possession, buy whatever cables you want. I've spent 3-1/2 hands on hours with this video board and the cables you promoted in an eairler post, BOTTOM LINE - it does not work!. The monitors are not Analog VGA nor was the system running out of spec as far as the resolution.For everyone reading these posts, all I can say (type) in closing, do your homework before buying anything. Make sure its going to work with your setup.My new switches just arrived for my Precision Flight Controls Jetliner Column yoke, finally something constructive to work on.With that, have a nice day or night depending on where you live.Mike,Your dongle might be a dud! :-)Go to http://support.amd.com/us/eyefinity/Pages/...ty-dongles.aspx, select "Input=MiniDP", "Output=DVI (Single Link, Passive Dongle)" and get up to two of these validated passive dongles. Remember, validated means ATI tried these and they worked, so if these dongles worked for them they must also work for you.Cheers,- jahman.
March 17, 201016 yr Hey, tolip2 (and Mike),Now go and tell ATI they are simply wrong too, so they can correct their erroneous technical info and stop misleading Eyefinity customers about the Eyefinity working with passive miniDP adapters! ROTFLMAO!Then let me post this link posted by some guy called jahman that points to some company called amd:http://support.amd.com/us/eyefinity/Pages/...ty-dongles.aspxIt says: "To enable support for more than 2 monitors, "active" DisplayPort
March 17, 201016 yr Alex,The image in the TH2G Bezel Managment example is a single image spanning the three monitors, as the TH2G always displays a single image (but can place separate independent, maximized windows in each monitor thanks to its proprietary software.)When bezel management is turned on, the bezel management software shifts the outer monitor images inwards by twice the amount of a single monitor bezel width, leaving black bands of unused monitor realestate along the outer edges of the outer monitors.With independent 2D images you can set your cameras to line-up the images without needing bezel management and thus not have to deal with the outer black bands, but as others have pointed out you cannot use 2D views to display a VC cockpit.Cheers, - jahman.Ah- clever, these computer types! Thanks for that insight.Is the amount of inward view shift in TH2Go, adjustable for various bezel widths? Also for varying proportions of monitor shapes?One of the things I've learned experimenting with 2D triple views over the years, is that the human eye/brain is exceptionally discriminating when it comes to seeing an apparent single wide image from 3 images- and is not easily fooled by approximate bezel adjustments.As a result, I adjust for bezels to 1/100th of a degree when shifting the angle of the outer views. (In FS9 this is done in Panel Cfg.) It's this precision which really makes 3 become 1 in the mind's eye ! (There are also some rules re positioning monitors, which need to be followed but that is another topic.)Maybe I'm just old but I prefer 2D multiple views both for the wide (146
March 17, 201016 yr Hi tolip2,I've given up, he just doesn't get it. Although today, he started talking about two monitors, guess he figured he was wrong and is begining to change his story. Even though this topic was never about a two monitor setup, heck I can do that with my GTX285 board.For everyone else following this topic, the section tolip2 is talking about is highlighted in blue. Then let me post this link posted by some guy called jahman that points to some company called amd:http://support.amd.com/us/eyefinity/Pages/...ty-dongles.aspxIt says: "To enable support for more than 2 monitors, "active" DisplayPort Former Beta Tester - (for a few companies) - As well as provide Regional Voice Set Recordings Two: AMD-9950X | One: AMD-7950X3D | Three: Asus TUF 4090s | Three: 64GB DDR5 RAM 6000mhz | Three: Cosair 1300 P/S | Three: 990Pro 2TB NVME One: Eugenius ECS2512 - 2.5 GHz Switch | Three: Ice Giant Elite CPU Coolers | Three: 75" 4K UHDTVs | One: Boeing 737NG Flight Deck
March 18, 201016 yr Then let me post this link posted by some guy called jahman that points to some company called amd:http://support.amd.com/us/eyefinity/Pages/...ty-dongles.aspxIt says: "To enable support for more than 2 monitors, "active" DisplayPort
March 18, 201016 yr Hi tolip2,I've given up, he just doesn't get it. Although today, he started talking about two monitors, guess he figured he was wrong and is begining to change his story. Even though this topic was never about a two monitor setup, heck I can do that with my GTX285 board.For everyone else following this topic, the section tolip2 is talking about is highlighted in blue.You're funny, Mike!Back in Post #10 you said: "... the MiniDisplayPort to DVI Adapters need to be active adapters, not the cheap ($5.00) adapters you suggest".And now you say I am the one changing my story...Cheers,- jahman.
March 18, 201016 yr Hi jahman,Take a look at your post #12 (March 15th.), replying to the third quote. Then take a look at your post #42 (March 17th.) where you are changing your story. Former Beta Tester - (for a few companies) - As well as provide Regional Voice Set Recordings Two: AMD-9950X | One: AMD-7950X3D | Three: Asus TUF 4090s | Three: 64GB DDR5 RAM 6000mhz | Three: Cosair 1300 P/S | Three: 990Pro 2TB NVME One: Eugenius ECS2512 - 2.5 GHz Switch | Three: Ice Giant Elite CPU Coolers | Three: 75" 4K UHDTVs | One: Boeing 737NG Flight Deck
March 18, 201016 yr Hi jahman,I'll make it easy for you, here is one of your quotes from post #12 (March 15th.). Actually, active MiniDP to DVI are only required for:a. Analog VGA monitors, and forb. Dual Link DVI (only used by monitors exceeding 1900 x 1200 resolution).All others (DVI monitors with 1900 x 1200 or less) can do with passive adapters.According to you, as long as I do not exceed 1900x1200 and do not have any analog VGA monitors I do not need "ANY" active adapters, now take a look at my last copy and past from AMD where it clearly states the following, and I quote:"To enable support for more than 2 monitors, "active" DisplayPort Former Beta Tester - (for a few companies) - As well as provide Regional Voice Set Recordings Two: AMD-9950X | One: AMD-7950X3D | Three: Asus TUF 4090s | Three: 64GB DDR5 RAM 6000mhz | Three: Cosair 1300 P/S | Three: 990Pro 2TB NVME One: Eugenius ECS2512 - 2.5 GHz Switch | Three: Ice Giant Elite CPU Coolers | Three: 75" 4K UHDTVs | One: Boeing 737NG Flight Deck
March 18, 201016 yr Hi jahman,I have not changed my story, I was responding to your post #5 and I quote. You get one of the most powerful video cards available today and SIX video ports (vs. THG's three). MiniDisplayPort to DVI adapters needed, but they are really cheap (5 bucks!).If I take six (6) passive adapters, the cheap (5 bucks) ones you recommend in post #5 and run six (6) - (NON VGA) monitors at a resolution of 1900x1200, it doesn't work!. It doesn't work because of the reason outlined in a copy & past in post #45. Again, I refur you to the above AMD copy and past that states the following: "To enable support for more than 2 monitors, "active" DisplayPort™adapters/dongles are required"Also note in Post #10 that you quote, nowhere in my two monitor ATI Eyefinity setup will you find the statement "Note - Passive Converters Don't Work", its only stated on the three monitor ATI Eyefinity non DP monitor setup. The only one changing his story, is YOU.You're funny, Mike!Back in Post #10 you said: "... the MiniDisplayPort to DVI Adapters need to be active adapters, not the cheap ($5.00) adapters you suggest".And now you say I am the one changing my story...Cheers,- jahman. Former Beta Tester - (for a few companies) - As well as provide Regional Voice Set Recordings Two: AMD-9950X | One: AMD-7950X3D | Three: Asus TUF 4090s | Three: 64GB DDR5 RAM 6000mhz | Three: Cosair 1300 P/S | Three: 990Pro 2TB NVME One: Eugenius ECS2512 - 2.5 GHz Switch | Three: Ice Giant Elite CPU Coolers | Three: 75" 4K UHDTVs | One: Boeing 737NG Flight Deck
March 18, 201016 yr Hi jahman,I have not changed my story, I was responding to your post #5 and I quote.If I take six (6) passive adapters, the cheap (5 bucks) ones you recommend in post #5 and run six (6) - (NON VGA) monitors at a resolution of 1900x1200, it doesn't work!. It doesn't work because of the reason outlined in a copy & past in post #45. Again, I refur you to the above AMD copy and past that states the following: "To enable support for more than 2 monitors, "active" DisplayPort
March 18, 201016 yr Hi jahman,You my friend are absolutely amazing, even when faced with facts you do not have the ability to see you were wrong. You continue to post on this topic in an attempt to twist things to hide the fact that you were wrong. Well, if it makes you feel better, so-be-it.I'm just glad that the majority of AVSIM forum members visiting this topic have the ability to read and comprehend for themselves. This will save them money in not purchasing the passive adapters that you were pushing in the beginning of this topic.With that my friend, have a good night. Former Beta Tester - (for a few companies) - As well as provide Regional Voice Set Recordings Two: AMD-9950X | One: AMD-7950X3D | Three: Asus TUF 4090s | Three: 64GB DDR5 RAM 6000mhz | Three: Cosair 1300 P/S | Three: 990Pro 2TB NVME One: Eugenius ECS2512 - 2.5 GHz Switch | Three: Ice Giant Elite CPU Coolers | Three: 75" 4K UHDTVs | One: Boeing 737NG Flight Deck
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