Hi jahman,Where should I begin.1. TH2Go is still being sold and updated, Dead..."NOT". The latest update allows a resolution of 5040 x 1050, this latest update was just released. Why would Matrox be updating a dead product? Reason, the product is not dead. So there is your first incorrect statement2. My facts are straight, Its funny you supply a web address to a $14.60 adapter, thats the same adapter that was purchased for FSX use and guess what: "IT DOES NOT WORK"!!!. What makes matters worse, my friend can't even get a refund from this company, after the fourth email they don't even respond to him anymore. He is now stuck with these adapters that "don't work". Second incorrect statement. Do you want to buy them at $14.60 (5 adapters = $87.60) plus shipping (keep in mind that you've been forewarned that that they don't work, no refund), if so PM me and I'll let my friend know.3. Nothing rude about my a really excited user statement and I base this on what you have said in a previous post (with no valid proof/information to back your statement) and I quote: "Matrox THG is dead. Long live ATI Radeon HD 5870 Eyefinity Edition". Sorry but the way I see it, "Long Live ATI" is a a really excited user statement!.4. If your going to quote a post and reply, you may want to reply to the entire post. It CLEARLY states the following: I see no reason for anyone to dump their high end video board (Justin has an Nvidia GTX285 board, which is an outstanding video board) for ATi's Eyefinity, a complete waste of money for anyone who has a high end video board when the DH2Go and the TH2Go exists!.

Hi January,I'll be away from my Flight Sim computer until tonight, let me see what I can answer right now.1. I run FSX at 5040x1050x32 - 3 25.5" Samsung SyncMaster T260HD monitors with a BFG GTX 285 Nvidia Video Board.2. I run FSX with a Virtual Panel, never tried 2D, will try when I get home tonight or tomorrow.3. The Bezel width is customizable for variations in bezel width between monitors.As soon as I do some testing using 2D panel(s), If I'm able to do it, I'll get some screen shots online.

Mike- A couple of questions that I've been anxious to clarify with an actual user of TH2Go:Am I correct that you are using a virtual panel setup with TH2Go? Have you by any chance used it with the 2D panel & views? And if so, is it posible to create additional views Left & Right Fwd, undock them and drag them onto the outer monitors to create a triple wide 135

Hi jahman,For someone that is running a virtual panel (single image accross three monitors) with an ATI Eyefinity graphic board, they DON'T have the ability to hide pixels between bezels. That's a $400.00 video board built for multi-monitor setup that does not have bezel control. It will completely ruin the field of view of FS9/FSX.January correct me if I'm wrong. Since we are talking about flightsim, unless you have bezel-less monitors, the inability to correct for the monitors bezel completely ruins the field-of-view. I know it does for me!.

So you can set-up your 2D views to your heart's content and without having to "hide" pixels behind your monitor bezels as TH2G requires you to do. But you can also "group" monitors into a single image, TH2G-style, although then you would have to hide the pixels behind the bezels (and I have no idea if the CatalystCC allows you to do that for the Eyefinity.)- jahman.

Hi jahman,

jahman- Just so I understand exactly: can Eyefinity display multiple FS 2D Views- that is, for example, View Left Fwd on #1 monitor, View Fwd on #2 and View Right Fwd on #3? And if so, can multiple Eyefinity views/monitors be adjusted to take into account the precise widths of the monitor bezels separating the views- thus fully unifying the three views into a single pic?If it can do these things, it's a winner! Otherwise, not as useful in FS as multiple video cards.Alex ReidYes! The Eyefinity is a total winner!

If the Eyefinity has the ability to correct for multi monitor bezels can you show me where you found this information?. You state "Yes! The Eyefinity is a total winner!" to Alex's question. Where is Eyefinity's Bezel Management feature?.I find it a little funny how you state the Eyefinity graphic board is a total winner, yet you don't even own the board. Further ATI a really excited user proof?, I think so.As far as a really excited user being a rude statement. I think not, its meaning: Fan, Supporter, Overwhelming Liking and Enthusiasm just to name a few, there is nothing rude about it.

Hi jahman,Where should I begin.1. TH2Go is still being sold and updated, Dead..."NOT". The latest update allows a resolution of 5040 x 1050, this latest update was just released. Why would Matrox be updating a dead product? Reason, the product is not dead. So there is your first incorrect statement

I never said the TH2G was no longer being manufactured. I am saying it is "dead" because it no longer makes any sense to buy one at the current pricepoint, because you get the cost of TWO TH2Gs thrown in just about for free when you buy the HD 5870 Eyefinity. So only the uninformed will keep buying it, or nVIDIA users, that is until nVIDIA comes out with it's own version of the Eyefinity.

2. My facts are straight, Its funny you supply a web address to a $14.60 adapter, thats the same adapter that was purchased for FSX use and guess what: "IT DOES NOT WORK"!!!. What makes matters worse, my friend can't even get a refund from this company, after the fourth email they don't even respond to him anymore. He is now stuck with these adapters that "don't work". Second incorrect statement. Do you want to buy them at $14.60+ shipping (keep in mind that you've been forewarned that that they don't work, no refund), if so PM me and I'll let my friend know.

OK, so your friend is either using analog VGA displays or displays with resolutions of over 1900 x 1200 requiring Dual Link DVI. Sorry, but I note you are silent about the type of monitor your friend is using. Perhaps your friend's monitor is analog with a "DVI-A" connector? (See Pins C1 to C5 on the DVI pinout diagram at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Visual_Interface )Just think of it: miniDisplayPort is a video interconnection standard, with rigorous technical specifications. If the passive miniDisplayPort to DVI adapters don't work for the Eyefinity, they won't work for any other miniDisplayPort-bearing laptop either, so either all vendors of these passive miniDisplayPort adapters must be crooks on a massive scale (there are a zillion passive adapters out there) or ATI Radeon just got the miniDisplayPort specs wrong on their Eyefinity. Either way, I think not!

3. Nothing rude about my a really excited user statement based on what you have said in a previous post (with no valid proof/information to back your statement) and I quote: "Matrox THG is dead. Long live ATI Radeon HD 5870 Eyefinity Edition". Sorry but the way I see it, "Long Live ATI" is a a really excited user statement!

I did post a link with the pertinent information, so your claim of lack of proof is baseless. It is you rather who has not provided any valid proof up to now other than your friend's story (what in court is referred-to as "hearsay": I hear, I say). So feel free to post links showing how passive miniDisplayPort adapters fail to work with the Eyefinity and Single DVI monitors. Sorry, but "my friend said" just doesn't make the standard for reliable information. If what you say is true there must be tons of Eyefinity users out there complaining about having to shell-out $100 apiece (or up to $600 per card, more than the Eyefinity itself!) for the active adapters. So go find them and report back!

4. If your going to quote a post and reply, you may want to reply to the entire post. It CLEARLY states the following: I see no reason for anyone to dump their high end video board (Justin has an Nvidia GTX285 board, which is an outstanding video board) for ATi's Eyefinity, a complete waste of money for anyone who has a high end video board when the DH2Go and the TH2Go exists!.

I didn't quote that part of your post because I never told anyone to dump anything! (Editing for clarity while preserving context is a valid excercise.) I still believe given the price points that if you do not currently own a TH2G, you will be better off buying the Eyefinity, even if you currently own a high end video adapter. And if you consider the Eyefinity supports six monitors vs. the THG's only three, then with the Eyefinity you are getting one of the most powerful video cards on Earth, plus... TWO TH2Gs!! So now you are actually getting paid to own a high-end video card as compared to the cost of buying two TH2Gs. Oh, and nevermind the THG's monitors must be grouped into a single window vs. the Eyefinity, where all six monitors are completely independent from each other and grouping is entirely optional (with many different ways to group, should grouping be needed.)So again, redo your math and post the results of your one TH2G vs. two TH2Gs vs. Eyefinity analysis, as it is a worthwhile analysis to do and we could all benefit from it.Cheers,- jahman.

-----------------January correct me if I'm wrong. For flightsim, unless you have bezel-less monitors, the inability to correct for the monitors bezel completely ruins the field-of-view. I know it does for me!.

-----------Mike- With 2D multiple views, in Panel Cfg in FS9, it is very simple to shift the outer views by a few degrees. The actual amount of shift is eqivalent to the total separation of the views due to the combined bezels that separate the views. In my setup, the shift is 5.82

Hi Alex,That works fine for three seperate 2D views. However, for 3d (virtual cockpit - that's how I run FSX) if ATI's Eyefinity does not have the ability to correct/adjust for bezel, the field of view is ruined. Unless you know of some adjustment I am unaware of.

-----------Mike- With 2D multiple views, in Panel Cfg in FS9, it is very simple to shift the outer views by a few degrees. The actual amount of shift is eqivalent to the total separation of the views due to the combined bezels that separate the views. In my setup, the shift is 5.82

Hi January,I'll be away from my Flight Sim computer until tonight, let me see what I can answer right now.1. I run FSX at 5040x1050x32 - 3 25.5" Samsung SyncMaster T260HD monitors with a BFG GTX 285 Nvidia Video Board.2. I run FSX with a Virtual Panel, never tried 2D, will try when I get home tonight or tomorrow.3. The Bezel width is customizable for variations in bezel width between monitors.As soon as I do some testing using 2D panel(s), If I'm able to do it, I'll get some screen shots online.

Hi Mike,Can the TH2Go run a portrait, Landscape, portrait setup? I tried to use SoftTH with FSX, and it is a disaster.Despite what the other guy said about eyefinity, it will not run a portrait, Landscape, portrait setup. I emailed ATI support and they said no, it is not possible. All monitors have to be in the same orientation if you use the 3 head version. You need the 6 head to run a portrait, Landscape, portrait setup, and if you run in this configuration you will only get fullscreen widescreen on 3 monitors. the other 3 would be for 2D panels. Also you need win 7 or Vista. I have a NVIDIA GTX280 and WinXP and Im trying to figure out a way to add two 23" 1920 x 1080 panels in portrait mode to my 42" 1920x1080 LCDTV, without buying another card or new operating system.Thanks,Bill

Hi jahman,If the Eyefinity has the ability to correct for multi monitor bezels can you show me where you found this information?. You state "Yes! The Eyefinity is a total winner!" to Alex's question. Where is Eyefinity's Bezel Management feature?.

The reason you need to hide the bezels with the TH2G is that you are dealing with a single window image accross three monitors, so that if you don't correct for the bezels your actual physical image is wider than the image being drawn (by an amount equal to four bezel widths).With the Eyefinity you set up each monitor independently to account for the bezel widths, so there is no need at all to hide bezels, because... you set up each monitor independently! (Same as simmers have been doing forever with images on monitors driven by separate instances of FSX on separate PCs.) It may be more work, but if you aren't up to it you could still revert to grouping the three (or four!, or five!, or six!) monitors into a single, very image, at least wice the size of the image you can get with the TH2G !! (except again I have no idea if CatalystCC allows for bezel hiding) in 6x1, 3x2, or other combinations, in portrait and landscape orientations.

I find it a little funny how you state the Eyefinity graphic board is a total winner, yet you don't even own the board.

Indeed, the list of "total winner" hardware I don't own is rather long, and unfortunately keeps getting longer as technology progresses faster than my income... But the Eyefinity is up there on the list, together with Gulftown, QPI, really large monitors, projectors, 6-DOF motion platforms, and of course the most and realest winner piece of hardware I will likely never own: The real B-747-400, bigger than Iron Maiden's puny B-757 (not even owned, it's leased!) and with "JahMan Airlines" detailed in large golden letters along the fuselage. Now wouldn't that be a sight to behold! :-)Cheers,- jahman.

Hi jahman,If the ability to control bezel width with monitor adjustments are not a problem/issue with ATI Eyefinity as you say, then why all the complaints from actual owners/users of this board that Bezel Control is not included?. Here are some complaints from Eyefinity owners/users about the lack of Bezel Management.1. http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=14735302. http://www.semiaccurate.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10363. http://forums.amd.com/game/messageview.cfm...threadid=1215634. http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/video...finity-not.html5. http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/showthread...o=&p=100116I found these complaints in under three minutes, as a matter of fact it took me longer to copy and past these in this post than it did to find these bezel complaints from actual owner/users of the ATI Eyefinity product.If you do a search on youtube for ATI Eyefinity and FSX you can see the problem that the lack of bezel management has with virtual cockpits. I wonder if they have any youtube videos showing TH2Go with and without bezel management, then you would see the difference between the two.

The reason you need to hide the bezels with the TH2G is that you are dealing with a single window image accross three monitors, so that if you don't correct for the bezels your actual physical image is wider than the image being drawn (by an amount equal to four bezel widths).With the Eyefinity you set up each monitor independently to account for the bezel widths, so there is no need at all to hide bezels, because... you set up each monitor independently! (Same as simmers have been doing forever with images on monitors driven by separate instances of FSX on separate PCs.) It may be more work, but if you aren't up to it you could still revert to grouping the three (or four!, or five!, or six!) monitors into a single, very image, at least wice the size of the image you can get with the TH2G !! (except again I have no idea if CatalystCC allows for bezel hiding) in 6x1, 3x2, or other combinations, in portrait and landscape orientations.Indeed, the list of "total winner" hardware I don't own is rather long, and unfortunately keeps getting longer as technology progresses faster than my income... But the Eyefinity is up there on the list, together with Gulftown, QPI, really large monitors, projectors, 6-DOF motion platforms, and of course the most and realest winner piece of hardware I will likely never own: The real B-747-400, bigger than Iron Maiden's puny B-757 (not even owned, it's leased!) and with my name detailed in large golden letters along the fuselage. Now wouldn't that be a sight to behold! :-)Cheers,- jahman.

Actually, it would be a sight to behold if it was MY personally owned Boeing 767-300 with "MY NAME" printed on the side, personally I don't care what color text nor font. 8-O

Hi jahman,If the ability to control bezel width is not a problem/issue with ATI Eyefinity as you say, then why all the complaints from actual owners/users of this board that Bezel Control is not included?. Here are some complaints from Eyefinity owners/users about the lack of Bezel Management.

Read my posts in detail like they were approach plates! :-)I never said "control bezel width is not a problem/issue with ATI Eyefinity", I only said it was just not needed because each monitor can be configured independently. But I realize some simmers might not want/know how to set-up views independently for each monitor.I also said I had no idea whether or not the Eyefinity was able to hide the bezels when monitors are grouped.Cheers,- jahman.

Can the TH2Go run a portrait, Landscape, portrait setup?

No.

Despite what the other guy said about eyefinity, it will not run a portrait, Landscape, portrait setup. I emailed ATI support and they said no, it is not possible. All monitors have to be in the same orientation if you use the 3 head version.

You say "if you use the 3 head version": What do you mean by "3 head version"? If by "head" you mean grouping, then no, i don't think you would be able to group monitors with different portrait and landscape orientations.But see for yourself at: http://sites.amd.com/us/underground/produc...-eyefinity.aspx (the 2 bottom images: Portrait, Landscape WideView, Portrait and Portrait, WideView Landscape, WideView Landscape.)So make sure you repeat your question to ATI for FSX and clarify you are asking about ungrouped (independent) monitors and post back. The key is grouped vs. ungrouped monitors.Cheers,- jahman.

Hi jahman,I'm not talking about three seperate 2D panel views, I'm talking about one 3D virtual panel, bezel management IS needed. Without bezel management what should be behind the monitors bezel is pushed over to the next monitor, the view will be misalligned the distance of both monitor bezels for the left and right monitors/views. As of right now (unless something has been changed/updated) ATI Eyefinity does not have/come with bezel management options. This video board is geared toward multi-monitor support, yet it doesn't have the ability to manage monitor bezels, that's inexcusable in a $400.00 multi-monitor graphic board. I just hope this future bezel option is software and not harware upgradable. If I owned a 5000 series ATI board only to be told I'll have to buy a 6000 (or whatever its going to be called) series board for bezel management I'd be mighty ticked off.

Read my posts in detail like they were approach plates! :-)I never said "control bezel width is not a problem/issue with ATI Eyefinity", I only said it was just not needed because each monitor can be configured independently. But I realize some simmers might not want/know how to set-up views independently for each monitor.I also said I had no idea whether or not the Eyefinity was able to hide the bezels when monitors are grouped.Cheers,- jahman.

Hi jahman,I'm not talking about three seperate 2D panel views, I'm talking about one 3D virtual panel, bezel management IS needed. Without bezel management what should be behind the monitors bezel is pushed over to the next monitor, the view will be misalligned the distance of both monitor bezels for the left and right views.

I never said bezel management wasn't needed for a single image GROUPED accross three monitors!You really need to understand the grouped vs. independent monitors stuff I have been writing about in these many (now reiterative) posts.Grouped: One single window with a single image accross many monitors in side-by-side configuration.Independent: Individual images in their own windows on independent monitors, arranged in any order you want.TH2G: Can only do grouped monitors (because the TH2G makes the videocard think the three monitors are really only one.)Eyefinity: Can do grouped or independent monitors, your choice!And yes, for a single 3D Virtual Cockpit image you need to group the monitors. With the current thick monitor bezels it likely won't look too good and might even be difficult on the eyes when used with head tracking (Note I have not tried this!) Personally, until bezels go on a diet I would think 2D panels are the way to go for large multi-screen setups, with independent monitors positioned to cover windscreens, instrument panel, overhead panel and center console. But I only use two monitors for now (I am waiting to get my Eyefinity!), so any input from others would be most welcome!Cheers,- jahman.

Hi January,If I understand your question correctly, you want to have the left monitor display the 2D - left/forward view, the center monitor display the 2D - center view, and the right monitor display the 2D - right forward view. If this is what your looking for, the TH2Go is unable to drag and drop 2D panels/views onto the outer monitors it's not possible with TH2Go. The ATI Eyefinity can run 2D drag and drop panels/views, TH2Go cannot. Whereas, ATI Afinity cannot control 3D Bezel management and TH2Go can.It comes down to what you want from your sim, 2D or 3D (I prefer 3D - virtual cockpit). If you want 2D with more than two monitors then look to ATI Eyefinity, if you only have two monitors you don't need ATI Eyefinity or DH2Go for that matter, as long as you have a high end dual DVI graphic board, if you want 3D with bezel management TH2Go is the way to go.

Have you by any chance used it with the 2D panel & views? And if so, is it posible to create additional views Left & Right Fwd, undock them and drag them onto the outer monitors to create a triple wide 135