Ok Michael;Let's clarify this. That hawaii photomesh was designed from the landsat 30 m images - and images shot what really it is - you know 4.8 m rule on cof - yes ofcourse - we know too. Therefore hawaii really was a big question mark - when i've done - because of the source - those 30 m landsat images basically is what is on offer - and not even if you pay for color ortos for hawaii you get it. But facts are that no land class come even a little closer than what what hawaii looks like - simply is not getting there - therefore i decided to get on with this photomesh - as at least - even if not at 4.8 m or resolution it does offer a better general view of hawaii - where land class can only do that little - that is why hawaii is there.No matter what - so many times when read forum at avsim - facts are not presented as what actually is - and as said and you rightly said - if i have to purchase a membership than a scenery is not freeware - I see - but also there could be a discussion on that - but facts are - we are online with the Mapserver - wich is a top of the noch server - where users on fast connections are reporting downloads speed of 130 to 160 kb /sec - - and as you read on this very tread download gb of data is only a matter of few hours - let me clarify - that server is quite expensive to keep online - but is a crucial ingredient of mesh scenery delivery - with file of big size found there very often - simply i do not want Mapserver members to queue for downlaods or waste their time with speeds of 20 or 30 kb sec - that is not good enough - simple matter - costs are costs - and this has been covered well in past messages here at avsim.Regarding JohnC - his attitude was a bit offensive - but a general comments as he did - simply not stand - as we at fsfreeware went many ways further on scenery - than other have done - and there are many files uploaded there wich are simply and only exclusively there - with whole coverages of countries where other are not even covered the 1/10 of it - or bother to use new data in order to update existing released in order to increase resolution - - but we still hear - - they are the only one that work on this or work on that - and the only one that produce this kind of stuff - surely that is misleading of information - for interest.let me tell you - those who keep push that way - are misleading many users of this forum - in some ways - as every designer has to offer somenthing unique to the community - therefore - if you get hooked on that - you may well end up to have 1/10 of canada cover on cded terrain mesh - for the same price when you can get the whole of it - and this is just an example - Unfortunaly memberships based sites where scenery are distribuited - - i talk about payware - brought a different kind of problem - where some members of a certain group are so unsecure - especially when they see a competitors coming along - that avsim forum became a first ideal target to divert new simmers to make sure became members of a certain group - in order to make sure to guaranteed their long lasting and life long contract membership - we see this many many times at this forum - and it also happened on this very discussion we right now - just look above and you see what i mean - payware advice is often put above downloads wich are free - - again for the interest of few.as you can see - i'm not scare or afraid to come here and said what i think - and what i firmly believe - and i believe it because of my very own experience i've dealing with many many years of flight simming - raimondo

Certainly some record has been set for the number of dashes used in a single post. Congratulations, I guess.But, regardless of missing commas, periods, semicolons, and parentheses - A product isn't Freeware if we have to pay for it, even if we are paying for server bandwidth. I remember coming across this stuff a while back, when I was looking for some Hawaii scenery, and was semi-annoyed that it turns out it really isn't free. As someone else said here, I don't mind paying for a good product. I do mind being misled by the mis-use of the word "free", and it annoyed me enough that I won't be logging onto your mapserver anytime soon - I'll wait for something else to come along.Dave Blevins

And.......we are back!!were did you read it is free??on your sleep??perhaps yes!!It is just a waste of time to discuss with you - as you are another basher - probably the best of what you can do in your life - or another gang member.oops i forgot - regarding commas or semicommas - or virgole e virgolette - i like to swallow them while i'm asleeeeeep - after meeting individuals like you - and yea!! i'm waiting for the next basher or gang member - with some brighter idea.raimondo

Believe me, Raimondo most people reallyappreciate what designers like you do.People like you are unseen, we will never meetyou, yet you provide so much pleasure for othersthrough your hard work.Simmers! Tread lightly. We have lost some of ourbest designers and contributors over the years.We are the losers.Peter Sydney Australia

Peter;ok thanks for that - but i do not let basher come on top of me - and if i think it is necessary - to let them know the message - well perhaps is time to do so - speak for myself - others can do what they like.Netherles - bashers or gangs - will ever force me to leave - that is simply not enough.You read my post above - and yea - that is what i think - and i have good reason to do so - as if would have not - i will not write and believe it - and above all let you know.raimondo

I think he was talking about your domain name...IE FSFreeware...That kinda implies, hmmm I don't know, that Flight Sim Freeware is available on your site. Which its not (Although I did read that you were releasing some mesh as a free download). And I didn't read what he said as bashing you (well except maybe the bit about your usage of dashes, which is excessive). He just pointed out that he would not pay for "freeware". Maybe a domain name change might eliminate confussion. Just an idea. Also if your price is meant to recoup costs for server bandwidth only you could have sidestepped that by uploading to sites like Avsim.com or Flightsim.com like I recall you used to do. Please don't come back at me claiming I'm also bashing you, because I'm not. Just giving suggestions on how you can eliminate some of the confussion surrounding your site.

Yes sure;Few times i hear that - why you called the site FSfreeware.i a bit of a long story - but personally - and honestly is one of those things - i do not give too much of importance - the site help simmers downloads files - and that is enough for me.Regarding costs - well - we have to widen our mind a bit on that issue - a site start its life on the factory where servers are build - we buy - rent - than setup - and mantain - pay for the service other provide us - to keep servers online - to repair when they crash - and i can add more on the list - before you at this end can get a file - all that need to be done - and must be keept going - as like a car - if no maintenance is done or necessary repairs are carried out when required - it will stop.but i'm sure you know all that - running a flight simulation site - wich distribute freeware - is an expensive thing to do - and therefore help from the users - is an essential part of the game - ray

I'm not sure about the Hawaii scenery, but the site is difficult to navigate. Many of the FS2k4 free items can be found from the bottom of this page:http://www.fsfreeware.com/dcd/FS2004/Best,sg

Not really. Getting users to pay is only one way and the way you choose to operate. But its not the only way nor is it an essential part of the game. Look at Avsim...Look at flightsim...They thrive on providing true freeware to users. They get their revenue in other ways (well we all know flightsim does offer memberships for preferred access but you get the same stuff without paying, it just might take a few tries to login). And as I stated you use to post your stuff on these sites so you know you could do that. But doing it the way you are is just the way you have choosen to do it. And its your perogative to do so, seeing as they are your files. You just need to understand why some don't like that model for distributing 'freeware' even if you just use the title as a name and not to define what you offer. Don't be so defensive when you are critizied for it. Obviously some people like your stuff and pay to use your site or else you would be out of business.

You know...That could be part of the problem some people see with his site. They don't even know that part exists due to it being difficult to find. I never visited his site before this thread but from the comments I thought all he had was the mapserver which required a fee to login. I have also read in another thread that he is distributing some Alaska mesh for free so that helps him live up to his site name hehehehe. But in anycase as I stated below its his perogative how he wants to distribute HIS files. I just think he is too defensive when people say they dislike the way he has choosen to do things. On the other side perhaps some people need to be more respectfull even while they critize so they don't come off so insulting.

"From the river bank, Prudence lies---in watching the water flow.Ours' is not to criticize---It for doing so.Now it's gone...---Just look at it go!"

Let's be clear about my post....I said that the photoscenery was nowhere near 4.8 m/pixel, and Raimondo has acknowledged that.When something is advertised as "photomesh",and costs $29, I think it should provide some measure of detail. Raimondo can publish a screenshot of the city of Kahului on Maui, and then posters can decide whether it is worth $29 to overlay the default, reasonably accurate depiction of the city with his photomesh.There are color and infrared photos of Maui available on the USGS site at vastly higher resolutions than 30m satellite photos. They cost me about $30 each and 3 of them cover most of the central valley.Here is an example of Kealia pond on the short runway approach toOGG Kahului on Maui made from one of those photos.

Hi;Defenetly John - explain - usgs images available - i think is only a small portion of hawaii - are coming at better resolution - I fully agree - he is fully right - and on the other hand i also say that the hawaii photomesh i've done - was designed from landsat images at 30 m.I like to keep an open mind when i chooce to do things - i think is important - so i give hawaii a go - as the choice is or that or nothing - as there are no other full coverage ortos for hawaii - that is why id did it.I than upload the scenery to the Mapserver - for those memebers who like to download - and for me that is the end of the story - as cd's are taking time away - cost extra money to produce - and my inclination is always to avoid cd whenever possible - We also have to take in consideration a fact - today here in europe the us dollars is very low on exchange - and if you consider i m in uk - where a uk sterling pound - is equal to 1.89 us doallars - those 29.99 us dollars - here in uk are about 15.50 uk pounds - - and is the price of 3 packets of sigarets - or 2 pizza's (take away) - as with that money here they do not even let you sit down to eat your pizza.Is important for other to understand - that mapserver for me is a way to give away scenery i do - as little price as possible - we also have read on another post - somebody asked me - why you do not upload your work at major sites? But i do - especially the smaller files - and files i do good or bad - never carry a restriction - as long they stay free - fine for me - but some scenery i've done - like the lastest canada cded terrain is 1.6 gb - along with many other of big size - therefore i rather have my own server where i can upload without asking favour to anybody to host such kind of scenery - change things when needed etc etc.raimondo

LOL...Ok Raimondo...As I said they are your files and its your perogative on how or even IF you want to distribute them. All I did was point out there are alternatives to the way you do it AND even alternatives to how you generate money to pay for server bandwidth. And my main point is still that you need to learn how to take criticism on your products without taking it like its a personal slam. You spend WAY too much time trying to explain yourself and your policies. Obviously some people enjoy your products and are willing to pay to access your mapserver. But others don't and your not likely to change their mind. Besides...Who is it better for us to hear good things about you or your products? You? Or satisfied users. I don't really give too much weight to you touting your own scenery. Leave that to other users who like your work.

I've learned a few things here........first, never offer up a very negative and necessarily subjective opinion again in an attempt to help anyone else practice "caveat emptor".Being called a "basher" who is part of a "gang" is rather painful.I have never before posted anything remotely negative before, and I am very grateful for the patience and expertise other posters have shown me in the past on the Scenery Design Forum.second, any purchaser of scenery with the word photo in its ad needs to check first with regards to its resolution before plunking down any money....My understanding was that Megascenery USA has pretty good resolution, and I made my Hawaii purchase rather naively.Since there is no (apparent to me, anyways) clear accepted set of standards for advertising flight sim products, and since I am well aware of the level of naivete some of my fellow retirees here in my winter retirement community have, I was probably unnecessarily harsh with my early words and I apologize.