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Flying with real weather

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REX!!What is it? I thought it was a scenery/textures type of package.Does it have its own weather engine like Activesky? or would the original poster actually be using FS9s own real weather? If the latter then that would explain exactly why he is getting these wild wind and speed changes ,as this is a well documented bug with FS9 s own real weather downloads.I occasionally used to use it(Real Weather) because its one advantage over ASKy if i was pressed for time, it was quick to download and run if i needed to get flying quickly. however those terrible wind/and speed changes meant such a horrible flight experience I now no longer use it at all.If you really want to end any problems with wind (apart from reducing your baked beans intakeblush.gif)is to use Aktivesky (I am talking 6.5 in my case) but i would imagine the latest version also eliminates this problem to.I also only have the freeware version of FSUIPC as well.PS Other weather programs are available.(I think) AndyCuppa.gif A cuppa icon!excellent !Is that a new one?
No fair - I can't find that icon... :( REX does have a weather option but I haven't had great luck with it - possibly because I'm running FS9 on Win7 and it does produce some odd interactions. What I recommend is the combination of REX (fabulous graphics), FSUIPC (registered) which makes a HUGE difference in how weather is rendered and Active Sky 6.5 for live weather. That combination has totally transformed FS9 for me.Cheers - enjoy that cuppa!
No fair - I can't find that icon... :( REX does have a weather option but I haven't had great luck with it - possibly because I'm running FS9 on Win7 and it does produce some odd interactions. What I recommend is the combination of REX (fabulous graphics), FSUIPC (registered) which makes a HUGE difference in how weather is rendered and Active Sky 6.5 for live weather. That combination has totally transformed FS9 for me.Cheers - enjoy that cuppa!
Hello KiwiIt does sound as though REX is using the default FS9 real weather ,Maybe it just alters cloud textures ,sky ,etc but doesn't actually interpret the weather(I think i know what i mean) anyway it sounds as though ASKy would solve the original posters problem.(certainly did for me)Now!! the important business.....The tea icon...When you post a message in this forum you will see the emoticons selection screen,click on the option Show All and in there you will find a steaming brew.Cuppa.gifCheersAndywink.gif

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DanielYou clearly misunderstood my post. So let me help you out. The sentence 'As a non-pilot I had no way of knowing whether we could get a realistic simulation of windsheer in FS9' means that as I am not a real pilot (and therefore have no real life experience of flying aircraft) I am not aware of whether any form of simulated windsheer in FS9 is realistic in comparison to real life conditions. It does not in any way suggest that I do not know what windsheer is. Quite simple English really.Your comment 'If wind shear isn't a part of your simulation then crosswind landings and takeoffs shouldn't be either.' based on what I wrote in my post is rude and insulting. An apology would be appreciated.I wonder though if I'm not just troll feeding.
Dont worry about Daniel, he claims to be a real pilot yet consistently makes bizzare posts that suggest otherwise. Anyway, windshear & microbursts are not simulated correctly in FS9 or FSX and crosswind simualtion is also extremely poor.Andy, REX does have it's own weather engine but it seems like most people stick to AS6.5/ASE as mentioned best option is to use REX for the amazing textures and let AS provide the weather.Regards

Rob Prest

 

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Hello KiwiIt does sound as though REX is using the default FS9 real weather ,Maybe it just alters cloud textures ,sky ,etc but doesn't actually interpret the weather(I think i know what i mean) anyway it sounds as though ASKy would solve the original posters problem.(certainly did for me)Now!! the important business.....The tea icon...When you post a message in this forum you will see the emoticons selection screen,click on the option Show All and in there you will find a steaming brew.Cuppa.gifCheersAndywink.gif
:( Ta da! Thanks...

Regardless of my qualifications, windshear is accurately simulated in FS. I believe Flight Simulator has something called 'wind layers', necessary to simulate windshear.As I ALWAYS state, check the references and what is windshear. Don't believe me.I could be old mother hen, so just take what I say with the biggest grain of salt. I don't know why I would bother wasting my time on here if I didn't know what I was talking about though.I have previously tested FS for windshear during my pilot training and found it helpful and quite realistic. Though these simulator gurus claim it is not specifically simulated (not on the box of features when you buy it as a product), I believe if you can calculate, do the maths and line up what windshear is, then you might see if it is simulated. In real world flying the first thing you would notice is an increase or decrease in airspeed. With flaps retracted an increase in airspeed is not very nice.I have been thinking lately to go the next step and see if a microburst can be simulated in FS. But it would probably be good to get an expert on FS weather and maybe a developer of ASV to give their advice.Anyone here saying that something cannot be simulated or is not simulated accurately, better be listened to. They sound like an authority on the issue to me! So my opinion does not matter.I like this definition of windshear, it is accurate to real world aviation:A change in wind direction and speed between slightly different altitudes, especially a sudden downdraft.Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/wind-shear#ixzz1EXjDP0AHDaniel

DanielYou clearly misunderstood my post. So let me help you out. The sentence 'As a non-pilot I had no way of knowing whether we could get a realistic simulation of windsheer in FS9' means that as I am not a real pilot (and therefore have no real life experience of flying aircraft) I am not aware of whether any form of simulated windsheer in FS9 is realistic in comparison to real life conditions. It does not in any way suggest that I do not know what windsheer is. Quite simple English really.Your comment 'If wind shear isn't a part of your simulation then crosswind landings and takeoffs shouldn't be either.' based on what I wrote in my post is rude and insulting. An apology would be appreciated.I wonder though if I'm not just troll feeding.
Apologize? For what? I have tested wind shear in FS, it is quite real. Or do you want me to totally humiliate you and film a real world pilot flying in flight simulator with different wind layers and then give his/her opinion on this? And if it makes you feel better I can get a check captain. So what do you say then?Daniel
Not really worth arguing about but a microburst and wind shear aren't the same thing, though they can have the same catastropic results. And the reason I underlined "realistic" in my post is because FS9 does not and probably cannot "realistically" simulate wind shear. I've been using it since before (that's not a typo) its public release and have yet to experience a realistic wind shear event, even though I have tried to set it up to do so. To simulate wind shear realistically would require control of multiple wind layer effects close to the ground that even with FSUIPC are just not possible.And I have no idea what you mean by equating crosswind landings and takeoffs with wind shear? Other than the fact that they both involve wind and flight safety, I don't see the connection? Just curious
Crosswind landings and takeoffs are a part of my simulation as much as single engine failures and windshear, among other aspects of the simulation important for training. I know a microburst is not the same, but it will activate a windshear alert. Also, it is a downdraft, so technically it is windshear. Instead of air travelling horizontally, it travels downwards. So there is a change in airspeed although not as catastrophic as the downdraft pushing you towards the ground. In essence I agree it is different. Windshear techincally is a change of wind speed and/or direction between different altitudes.Daniel.
Apologize? For what? I have tested wind shear in FS, it is quite real. Or do you want me to totally humiliate you and film a real world pilot flying in flight simulator with different wind layers and then give his/her opinion on this? And if it makes you feel better I can get a check captain. So what do you say then?Daniel
I think you can tone down the aggression a touch Daniel. It's just a forum.

Jeremy "rightseater" Fletcher

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Apologize? For what? I have tested wind shear in FS, it is quite real. Or do you want me to totally humiliate you and film a real world pilot flying in flight simulator with different wind layers and then give his/her opinion on this? And if it makes you feel better I can get a check captain. So what do you say then?Daniel
Daniel please stop.. the only person you are going to end up humiliating is yourself so no need for all of this. Realistic windshear can not be simulated in FS end of story, and if you really do have any real world operational experience and claim to use FS as a training tool for handling windshear please let me know what area you fly in so I can keep myself and my family at least 200 miles from where you operate. I'll stop feeding the troll now but add, using FS to train for severe weather flying is as usful as buying Mario Kart to train to be a Formula 1 driver.Regards

Rob Prest

 

using FS to train for severe weather flying is as usful as buying Mario Kart to train to be a Formula 1 driver.
Thanks for bursting my bubble. I just unlocked King Koopa today.

Jeremy "rightseater" Fletcher

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Thanks for bursting my bubble. I just unlocked King Koopa today.
I'm more of a toad guy myself, he seems to corner better ;)

Rob Prest

 

Apologize? For what? I have tested wind shear in FS, it is quite real. Or do you want me to totally humiliate you and film a real world pilot flying in flight simulator with different wind layers and then give his/her opinion on this? And if it makes you feel better I can get a check captain. So what do you say then?Daniel
What do I say? I say that you still have completely misunderstood my post. Please do go ahead and make this film you refer to above. I for one (and probably many others here) would find it extremely interesting because, as I may have already mentioned in my previous two posts, not being a real world pilot I am unaware of how well windshear is simulated in FS. That does not mean that I am saying that it doesn't simulate it well - how could I know? It means that, as I am not a real pilot, I don't know whether the windshear simulation produced in FS is accurate or not. Whether it is extremely accurate, or completely inaccurate. Do you, finally, understand my point? Apologize for what? For the rude and insulting comment you made. It's clearly clarified in my previous post.

Gavin Barbara

 

Over 10 years here and AVSIM is still my favourite FS site :-)

What do I say? I say that you still have completely misunderstood my post. Please do go ahead and make this film you refer to above. I for one (and probably many others here) would find it extremely interesting because, as I may have already mentioned in my previous two posts, not being a real world pilot I am unaware of how well windshear is simulated in FS. That does not mean that I am saying that it doesn't simulate it well - how could I know? It means that, as I am not a real pilot, I don't know whether the windshear simulation produced in FS is accurate or not. Whether it is extremely accurate, or completely inaccurate. Do you, finally, understand my point? Apologize for what? For the rude and insulting comment you made. It's clearly clarified in my previous post.
Sorry Gavin. Misunderstanding of mammoth proportions.I was saying that (if you are interested) go and look up some real aviation material, thats all.And with crosswind landings I am saying simulating weather is big in FS and was clarifying that having windshear in FS is important too. I wasn't being rude or insulting, although to you it has come across that way. I feel that having some windshear (just having a different wind speed closer to the ground) near an airport while you do circuits in a 172, or 152, or Warrior, or other aicraft, it would be giving you a head start. I love flying. If you have the money go real world. It is awesome, BUT well trained and aware pilots live longer. Also would be nice to have radar weather it be ground based or aircraft based, because there are quite a few near misses.....And for that video. I will see about doing that soon. But my comments stand, windshear IS simulated in FS9. Would you like me to direct you in setting the standard FS weather for it?Set the bottome layer for 0 windspeed. Easy.Set the next layer (you have to create it) for 50 knots. Any direction. You can play with this and move the direction around after experiencing it. But I found getting the altitude down to about 250-500 feet (where your bottom layer should end) is a little tricky. I just had a problem with it thats all. Works though. You will know when you increase or decrease your altitude. If you turn on aircraft damage you will definitely know that a wind shear event happened. Oh and set the shear strength to strong or severe....... (you can play with this too).I have had windshear before in real world. Also been on the 777 FD when windshear (slight) happened into VHHH. There was no alarm. I suppose in a modern jet when you get a windshear alert warning, you MUST go around. Avoid at all costs. Because, when that alert sounds, it is VERY serious shear. I wonder if any real world jet pilots can comment on this. And no I haven't flown a jet in real world before. Just props. I highly recommend it. But don't go with cowboys. Go to an aero club with a good reputation for safety.Daniel
Sorry Gavin. Misunderstanding of mammoth proportions.I was saying that (if you are interested) go and look up some real aviation material, thats all.And with crosswind landings I am saying simulating weather is big in FS and was clarifying that having windshear in FS is important too. I wasn't being rude or insulting, although to you it has come across that way. I feel that having some windshear (just having a different wind speed closer to the ground) near an airport while you do circuits in a 172, or 152, or Warrior, or other aicraft, it would be giving you a head start. I love flying. If you have the money go real world. It is awesome, BUT well trained and aware pilots live longer. Also would be nice to have radar weather it be ground based or aircraft based, because there are quite a few near misses.....And for that video. I will see about doing that soon. But my comments stand, windshear IS simulated in FS9. Would you like me to direct you in setting the standard FS weather for it?Set the bottome layer for 0 windspeed. Easy.Set the next layer (you have to create it) for 50 knots. Any direction. You can play with this and move the direction around after experiencing it. But I found getting the altitude down to about 250-500 feet (where your bottom layer should end) is a little tricky. I just had a problem with it thats all. Works though. You will know when you increase or decrease your altitude. If you turn on aircraft damage you will definitely know that a wind shear event happened. Oh and set the shear strength to strong or severe....... (you can play with this too).I have had windshear before in real world. Also been on the 777 FD when windshear (slight) happened into VHHH. There was no alarm. I suppose in a modern jet when you get a windshear alert warning, you MUST go around. Avoid at all costs. Because, when that alert sounds, it is VERY serious shear. I wonder if any real world jet pilots can comment on this. And no I haven't flown a jet in real world before. Just props. I highly recommend it. But don't go with cowboys. Go to an aero club with a good reputation for safety.Daniel
Thank you Daniel. Yes misunderstandings are common in situations where facial expressions and tone of voice are missing.I look forward to the video, it will certainly be educational for me. As for weather in FS. I use ASE with FSUIPC free version. What are the best setting to simulate windshear with this set-up?

Gavin Barbara

 

Over 10 years here and AVSIM is still my favourite FS site :-)

Thank you Daniel. Yes misunderstandings are common in situations where facial expressions and tone of voice are missing.I look forward to the video, it will certainly be educational for me. As for weather in FS. I use ASE with FSUIPC free version. What are the best setting to simulate windshear with this set-up?
Hi Dave.ASE is same as ASV6.5?I have 6.5 and I am thinking it has messed up my default weather ability to set layers. On an ordinary setup it would be easy to do. I did it a few times today. But for some reason even I set the altitude to 7000ft it goes higher than that. Thinking.gif confused....So maybe an expert with those weather software can help.I havn't installed any weather into FSX yet so I'll go over there. Or I'll just bang out a standard install of FS9 somewhere.....I don't know if you can set up windshear from that software. I think you need to go into default in the simulator itself. Unsure if you would be affected either. Daniel

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