I was just playing around at George Grimshaw's excellent Boston the other day and encountered some severe "holes" in the runway...you know, the kind that exist at almost every airport as a new "feature" of FS9. For those of you that don't know what I'm talking about, they're invisible dips or holes of some sort in the middle of most runways I've come across, causing aircraft to bounce wildly. Well anyway, I was attempting a take off in a POSKY A330 the other day on 33L at KBOS when I hit a series of these "holes" at about 120 kts. They caused my nosegear to snap, which put a quick end to that flight. So, I decided to try runway 27 instead. What do you know, same thing. Granted the POSKY A330 is a little fragile when it comes to these holes everywhere, but I've never had landing gear break right off.I checked and found that there is no flatten switch for KBOS in the scenery.cfg, not that I'm sure that would do any good since other sceneries that do have flatten switches have holes as well, not to mention most default airports.Anyone have any advice? These scenery holes are really starting to get on my nerves. I can't beleive something like this made it in to the final release version, considering they're not very hard to find.Joe Wagner

Which runway? KBOS is effectively my home airport these days (being a DC-3 Airways man most of the time, which is hubbed there) and I've yet to find your hole. Sure it's not the POSKY 330 playing up? Has the flight model been modded for FS9? Mind you, the moles in Boston are pretty big, they tell me. Particularly if you have "collision" enabled and there are any height/contact point differences with the add-on scenery. I use George's scenery myself but must be squashing the little fellas as I've yet to lose my undercarriage on departure.Sorry not to actually offer advice; but to my knowledge you're the first to mention this, and many many people use KBOS daily as you'll know.Mark "Dark Moment" BeaumontP.S. If you think that's bad, I read a book a while ago about a DC-3 pilot who hit a cow on takeoff in Burma. A tower flyby revealed that there was no longer any starboard gear ... solid cow, clearly. He managed to bring her in on one wheel (the 'plane, not the cow) with feathered prop and didn't even damage the blades as he came to rest. Now that's flying.http://www.swiremariners.com/newlogo.jpg

This is interesting.Was about halfway down 33L yesterday with the Falcon 50 when the tires emitted smoke. Hadn't even begun to pull back on the stick and ground speed was about 90 with 10 degrees of flap. I can't even think about rotation till 126+ with this AC. I wonder if the Falcon hit these "holes" as described by Joe or would these just be considered bumps in the runway surface?Chris

Poor moles. It'll teach 'em not to smoke, though.Mark "Dark Moment" Beaumonthttp://www.swiremariners.com/newlogo.jpg

LMAO, you're killin me Mark! The cow story is pretty cool though, that is some fancy flying!Interesting, I haven't encountered any "holes" in any of the runways in FS, maybe because I don't fly the heavies, could be it, dunno. I did have the front gear collapse on the Gulfstream IV the other day at KLAX............................what I get for coming in to hot and hitting the runway at 170kts! LOL (or could it have been jimmig's autogen bug? hmmmmm)Regards, MichaelKDFWhttp://mysite.verizon.net/res052cd/mybannercva1.jpgCalVirAir International VACougar Mountain Helicopters & Aviation[link:www.cgrmthelos.com]Cougar Mountain Helicopters

Maybe they are lobbying for 14-32.

Very cold up here this past weekend. We arranged that for the Patriots game, just like 2 years ago. This causes potholes to develop in paved surfaces, however.

Well I havn't had a CTD yet, havn't hit any pot holes, (at least not on a runway), but still have the sound problem that's never discussed any more. Guess everyone else fixed it. I took another try at fixing that last night. It seems to be better; still some pops and clicks but no more of that sudden loud roaring noise that really pi$$ed me off. Every thing seems to be good for the moment.David

Mark:No, the POSKY A330 hasn't been modded for FS9 yet, but these rogue holes affect all aircraft. Most just bounce over them and I can continue with the takeoff fine, except the A330. Hightower:The middle of 33L is where I found a hole as well. I've also found them on 27, and possibly 4L. I've landed on 4R a few times and don't recall ever hitting any on that runway.I've found holes at alot of default airports. I frequent KPNE (Northeast Philadelphia) since I'm having flight training there in the real world. At PNE, there's some holes in the middle of its runway 6/24, but the other runway at the airport, 15/33, seems to be fine. I also frequent KPHL, and there have been holes there both in default form and after installing Simflyers scenery (mind you the Simflyers scenery installs a flatten switch as well). I think I recall some holes on a runway at EHAM as well (and a tree in the middle of the runway, but that's a whole differant story).I should also add I've reformatted my drive along the way for unrelated reasons and reinstalled FS9, just to rule out a bad installation.

Joe,You ask an interesting question. Back in my FS2002 days when I only flew the PIC767 with the POSKY merge, I would get bumps at a lot airports. Could never figure how to get rid of them.With FS2004, I can't use the PIC model so I went to the PMDG 737NG, it has never bounced unless I get heavy handed on landing (grin). But the interesting point, I have flown it into and out of the new KBOS scenery at least 10 times and have never seen a bounce or a "hole". I managed to dodge Mark's moles they are terrible little critters when they get go under the nose gear, they yell and scream (grin).In all seriousness, I used to really fuss about the POSKY aircraft files. Have not flown the POSKY A330 but my bet that is where your problem is.Bob

About the POSKY model, I would tend to agree that's the reason my nose gear snapped. I remember how everyone got up and arms when the 767 came out and everyone kept destroying the mains on touchdown. I personally managed to keep them intact most of the time.Anyway, I could care less that the POSKY model's gear snaps on the holes. If there were no holes, it wouldn't be snapping! I wish I could record a video clip of an attempted take off to illustrate what I'm talking about. I'll see If I can't dig up some piece of software for that purpose...

It ain't just you, Joe! I broke my C421's nose gear to the point that it would not retract. Must have hit that same hole. ;)I've also noticed some holes in the taxiways there. I don't know the first thing about designing scenery, so I have absolutely no clue what's causin it or what the fix might be.Darrell

Joe,Lets do a test, you pick the runway or taxiway where you think a hole exist give me a intersection point. Post that point here in the forum or send me a email at [email protected]. I will taxi the PMDG 737 over the same spot and lets see what happens. If I don't snap the nose gear then you bet is has to be aircraft.cfg that are cuasing the problems. Again, I know that some POSKY air files in FS2002 had these problems, and they may exist in other planes also.CheersBob

Hey guys.I seem to get a lot of bouncing around with the POSKY models - especially in spot view. The aircraft just bounces around and causes a lot of smoke!...Also when loading up the POSKY A330 in fs9 the landing gear would just snap, resulting in the airraft crashing. This seems to happen at most airports so i don't think that the KBOS scenery is to blame.

1. I wonder if any of these holes are artifacts of center lights since most people here are talking about larger airports.2. I don't have the parameter layout, but in the aircraft.cfg perhaps in the point contact area there should be a compression allowance for gear and maybe a couple of other parameters. I'd say ask on the design forum.