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Paul Deemer

Forget Keywest! Santos here I come!

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Was going to try the Short Field Package on Key West which has a runway length of 4801 ft. Then I came across the articles below. GOL operates 737-NGs out of Santos at 4,341 ft. It also said the short field package was designed for GOL so they could land 737-NGs at this airport. Heading down there tomorrow to check out Tropicalsim SBRJ. So for you hardcore 737-NGX Pilots who have tried everything else, this airport may just test how good you really are. Raised%20Eyebrow.gif Don't forget to equip your NGX with the Short-Field Package. http://tropicalsim.c...w=article&id=14 http://mobileri.voeg...0060731_eng.pdf http://www.boeing.co...060729a_nr.html http://www.flightlev...Video-4886.html

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Santos is an awesome addon.. Do you have Latin VFR key west?? It's updated and it's very smooth now..

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When I saw the title, I thought you were talking about the city Santos, coast of São Paulo tongue.pngYes, Santos Dumont is very challenging, it has some really difficult approach procedures. But I don't know any of then, I fly mostly over Europe... a shame, as a brazilian simmer, maybe? laugh.png

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Santos is an awesome addon.. Do you have Latin VFR key west?? It's updated and it's very smooth now..
I have not purchased Keywest from LatinVFR yet but I do have some of their other fantastic sceneries. It's on my list of to get though. Whats the USD Cost? I'm looking forward to the release of San Juan TJSJ by Latinvfr cause the Blueprint and Imaginesim TJSJ really don't look that good because they are so old. Is Tropicalsim the only Payware Developer that has SBRJ Scenery? It is the only one I know about.

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I've been saying this like a broken record. Fly into Santos Dumont! So apparently LatinVFR is the best representation of Rio? EDIT. Never mind, LatinVFR doesn't offer Santos. Misunderstood.

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I have not purchased Keywest from LatinVFR yet but I do have some of their other fantastic sceneries. It's on my list of to get though. Whats the USD Cost? Im looking forward to the release of San Juan TJSJ by Latinvfr cause the Blueprint and Imaginesim TJSJ really don't look that good because they are so old. Is Tropicalsim the only Payware Developer that has SBRJ Scenery? It is the only one I know about.
As far as I know, there were some developers producing SBRJ at www.terra-brasilis.org -- can't confirm it, but you may want to search for information on their forum!

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EDIT. Never mind, LatinVFR doesn't offer Santos. Misunderstood.
I missed your post on Santos Zach but found it after doing a search. I have 4 aiports down there SBGL, SBRJ, SBGR, and SBSP. Until the NGX came out my only 3 planes were the PMDG 747-400 and MD-11 and the Level-D 767-300. So I always landed at SBGL or SBGR cause I had heavies. Now that I got the NGX will be landing at the smaller fields.
Santos is an awesome addon.. Do you have Latin VFR key west?? It's updated and it's very smooth now..
Saw the Screen shots Tony, looks good and I am heading over to Sim Market to purchase it now for $21.60 USD.

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Got the Key West scenery now and it is very nice especially at night. Taking off from Key West on a 2.5 hour flight to Aruba. Then going to do a 7 hour flight down to Santos Dumont.

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Took off from Keywest on a 4,801 ft runway yesterday and flew to Aruba which was a nice 2.5 Hour Flight. Took off from Aruba and did a 7 hour flight down to Rio De Janeiro and landed at Santos Dumont. (SBRJ) Landed on a 4,341 foot runway which is the shortest I ever landed the NGX on. Been down to SBGL many times so I was familar with the area but it was the first time I landed at SBRJ and did it in the dark too. What a Rush!!!! happy.png Best of all the landing was smooth and I didn't burn up the brakes. I think they was at 2.1 at the gate and I had auto-brakes set to Max. If you want a challenge I highly recommend flying into Key West and Santos Dumont with the Short-Field-Package.

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Guys, just to make a small correction: Santos is a city in São Paulo State that doesn't have an airport. We call SBRJ (the airport you're talking about) as Santos Dumont. I have a lot material to show about this airport (in fact, i'm designing a freeware version, which is much better than Tropical Sim's one, lighter, smoother, with photoreal textures). I worked there from 2006 to 2009, took a lot of photos, got a lot of charts and took off/landed a lot of times). If you're interested, drop me a line. Sean Campbell (a member of this forum) had the opportunity to meet me during his travel to Rio de Janeiro, and I took him to a spot place near (I mean, REALLY near, about 40 meters) of the end of RWY 02R at Santos Dumont Airport. He was SHOCKED. Maybe he could write some lines about that experience... LOL! Take a look at the pictures, Sean is wearing the hat, and the other guy is me: sean.jpgIMG_7294_1024.jpg EDIT: I forgot to say: If any of you would like to come to Rio, I'd be happy to be your host and show you the airport. Just let me know the dates.And Sean, I didn't ask permission to post your photo, but if you disagree, PM me as soon as possible and I'll take out them.

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Hi Gabriel, Now that is what I call a spotting position! The nearest I have seen in Europe to this was in Zurich, where the round airport bus trips used to stop between 2 intersecting runways to enable photographs to be taken. Looking forward to your scenery too. RegardsMervyn

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Guys, just to make a small correction: Santos is a city in São Paulo State that doesn't have an airport. We call SBRJ (the airport you're talking about) as Santos Dumont. I have a lot material to show about this airport (in fact, i'm designing a freeware version, which is much better than Tropical Sim's one, lighter, smoother, with photoreal textures). I worked there from 2006 to 2009, took a lot of photos, got a lot of charts and took off/landed a lot of times). If you're interested, drop me a line. Sean Campbell (a member of this forum) had the opportunity to meet me during his travel to Rio de Janeiro, and I took him to a spot place near (I mean, REALLY near, about 40 meters) of the end of RWY 02R at Santos Dumont Airport. He was SHOCKED. Maybe he could write some lines about that experience... LOL! Take a look at the pictures, Sean is wearing the hat, and the other guy is me: sean.jpg EDIT: I forgot to say: If any of you would like to come to Rio, I'd be happy to be your host and show you the airport. Just let me know the dates.And Sean, I didn't ask permission to post your photo, but if you disagree, PM me as soon as possible and I'll take out them.
Hi VARIG, Nice hear brasilians active in this forum like you. I was preparing my explanation regarding this little confusion but you explained very well regarding our SBRJ. Nice Shot. Another sugestion for all would be to look for pictures in Airliners.net.

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Looked at your Modeling of the airport. Looks like you started that a long time ago. You have any date for when you will be finished with it?

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Guys, just to make a small correction: Santos is a city in São Paulo State that doesn't have an airport. We call SBRJ (the airport you're talking about) as Santos Dumont. I have a lot material to show about this airport (in fact, i'm designing a freeware version, which is much better than Tropical Sim's one, lighter, smoother, with photoreal textures). I worked there from 2006 to 2009, took a lot of photos, got a lot of charts and took off/landed a lot of times). If you're interested, drop me a line. Sean Campbell (a member of this forum) had the opportunity to meet me during his travel to Rio de Janeiro, and I took him to a spot place near (I mean, REALLY near, about 40 meters) of the end of RWY 02R at Santos Dumont Airport. He was SHOCKED. Maybe he could write some lines about that experience... LOL! Take a look at the pictures, Sean is wearing the hat, and the other guy is me: sean.jpgIMG_7294_1024.jpg EDIT: I forgot to say: If any of you would like to come to Rio, I'd be happy to be your host and show you the airport. Just let me know the dates.And Sean, I didn't ask permission to post your photo, but if you disagree, PM me as soon as possible and I'll take out them.
Hello Gabriel, nice to know that we have guys like you around here!, I'm Brazilian too and I look forward to some of the material you have and by the way I'll be heading to Rio at some point next year("gotta go see mommy"), and if you're still on the mood to take us on a ride around Santos Dumont that would be great! good to meet you!

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Does anyone know where in the manuals i can find about how to properly operate in short fields like Santos Dumont(Specially the maximum Takeoff and Landing Weight)?

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Wow! Looks like the brazilian comunity here is bigger that I thought! Nice too see it. Gabriel, I've had the oportunity to talk to Sean about this ride he had to the airport. He told me he went with a guy from Rio, but didn't tell me who. I actually got surprised when you said the person was you. Anyway, would you belive if I told you that, even living in Rio, I never went to Escola Naval to spot the planes? Ever! Sometimes when I drive at Rio-Niterói bridge I keep looking around too see if I find any planes. I just start drooling everytime I see them passing above me to land on RWY 20L. I've spotten some planes at Aterro do Flamengo as well. I'll have to find a day to go Santos Dumont just to see the planes. My parents ask me what is the fun of staying there for hours just to see aiplanes landing and taking off, but they just don't understand how big that is for me. For us I should say. I could spend the entire day there, from the time the airport opens to the time it closes.

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Matheus As a 'carioca' myself I'd suggest you to get a boat and take your spots near the runway by sea. I have done it a few times and was a mix of scaring and fascinating to see those birds roaring over your head. Of course be aware to respect some distance as per Capitania dos Portos rules and obviously not to be 'blown to water'... LOL.gif Best regards Schmid Oh! I forgot! And what about the spots you can take from Sugar Loaf (more precisely at Morro da Urca) when the birds are landing at 02R!

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Wow! Looks like the brazilian comunity here is bigger that I thought! Nice too see it.Gabriel, I've had the oportunity to talk to Sean about this ride he had to the airport. He told me he went with a guy from Rio, but didn't tell me who. I actually got surprised when you said the person was you.
Matheus, nice to see you around here. Sean is a GREAT guy. We spend all morning on RWY 02R, after that, we had the opportunity to chat a lot in the afternoon after lunch together with his wife (which ihas a geat personality too).Do you have time to go there? If positive, just let me know so we can meet there! You'll be SPEECHLESS!!!!!!! Got to take a photograph of your face staring the first plane! LOL!
Hi Gabriel, Now that is what I call a spotting position! The nearest I have seen in Europe to this was in Zurich, where the round airport bus trips used to stop between 2 intersecting runways to enable photographs to be taken.
Hi Mervyn! Well, if you come to Rio, please don't forget to drop me a line! I'll be happy to be your host and take you there! This airport is UNIQUE!
Hi VARIG,Nice hear brasilians active in this forum like you. I was preparing my explanation regarding this little confusion but you explained very well regarding our SBRJ.
Hey Silvio, nice to see a fellow brazilian here too! Have you been there already? If negative, let's match our agendas to meet there someday!
Looked at your Modeling of the airport. Looks like you started that a long time ago. You have any date for when you will be finished with it?
Hello Paul, my SBRJ will be completed within a year from now, that's a safe guess. A risky one would be within 3-6 months, due the fact that my time is short to model/texturize/etc. I ask you to register on terra-brasilis.org/forum to stay tuned about progress. Thank you for your interest on my scenery! I'm sure you'll like it.
Hello Gabriel, nice to know that we have guys like you around here!, I'm Brazilian too and I look forward to some of the material you have and by the way I'll be heading to Rio at some point next year("gotta go see mommy"), and if you're still on the mood to take us on a ride around Santos Dumont that would be great! good to meet you!
Hello Leonardo! Plan your trip to Rio and don't forget to tell me the dates. I'm sure we can manage to go there together. Nice to meet you too!I have everything you need to fly around SBRJ. Maps, charts, procedures... Just drop me a line if you need something!

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Matheus As a 'carioca' myself I'd suggest you to get a boat and take your spots near the runway by sea. I have done it a few times and was a mix of scaring and fascinating to see those birds roaring over your head. Of course be aware to respect some distance as per Capitania dos Portos rules and obviously not to be 'blown to water'... LOL.gif Best regards Schmid Oh! I forgot! And what about the spots you can take from Sugar Loaf (more precisely at Morro da Urca) when the birds are landing at 02R!
Are you talking about this ones? I took them on June 10th, 2008. That was a good day! sdu_11.jpgsdu_9.jpgsdu_6.jpgsdu_5.jpgsdu_4.jpgsdu_3.jpgsdu_2.jpgsdu_1.jpg

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Matheus As a 'carioca' myself I'd suggest you to get a boat and take your spots near the runway by sea. I have done it a few times and was a mix of scaring and fascinating to see those birds roaring over your head. Of course be aware to respect some distance as per Capitania dos Portos rules and obviously not to be 'blown to water'... LOL.gif Best regards Schmid Oh! I forgot! And what about the spots you can take from Sugar Loaf (more precisely at Morro da Urca) when the birds are landing at 02R!
I was thinking of that when I was looking at the map of the area. If the planes were flying into RWY 20L, a boat would be great. I've had the opportunity to be at Sugar Loaf when the planes were landing at 02R. I used those telescopes to look at them. It's been quite a few years since I went to SL the last time and when I'd been there I was still a guy who knew nothing about airplanes.
Matheus, nice to see you around here. Sean is a GREAT guy. We spend all morning on RWY 02R, after that, we had the opportunity to chat a lot in the afternoon after lunch together with his wife (which ihas a geat personality too).Do you have time to go there? If positive, just let me know so we can meet there! You'll be SPEECHLESS!!!!!!! Got to take a photograph of your face staring the first plane! LOL!
LOL.gif I can imagine. That would be great. I'll find a weekend to go there, but can't set a date now because I have school from Monday all the way to Saturday, although they are in a strike now. I study at Colegio Pedro II. The strike has been up for almost a month now. But let's see. I'll let you know.

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Are you talking about this ones? I took them on June 10th, 2008. That was a good day! sdu_11.jpgsdu_9.jpgsdu_6.jpgsdu_5.jpgsdu_4.jpgsdu_3.jpgsdu_2.jpgsdu_1.jpg
Super nice pictures. I hope I can travel there some time. What a spectacular view. If you are planning on doing scenery, please let me know. I would be interested. Take care.

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Flew SBRJ to SAEZ last night just barely cleared 02R. 737-800WL, 162 Pax, 12,000 Cargo, 20,000 lbs Fuel. That was enough to get me to SAEZ with a 45 min reserve. I can see why people love this airport. It will always be scary on both landing and takeoffs cause one little screw up and your Shark Food.

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