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Chris Catalano

KSAN - RWY 09 is this an FMC Frequency Error?

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Hi Everyone: When trying to land at San Diego KSAN RWY 09, the FMC tells me that the frequency is supposed to by 111.55 with a heading course of 92. But my personal charts of the same runway say the frequency should be 110.9 with a runway course of 92. When I try the frequency the FMC says, I get nothing on my PFD. When I try the frequency on my chart, I get the localizer and the glide slope to show up. Is there an error in the FMC data? I have the latest AIRAC cycle installed. Thanks, Chris Catalano

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KSAN is now (latest AIRAC cycle installed) 111.55 092 .. you need to update your AFCAD. What is the date on your personal chart?

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FS uses its own database, 6 years old, the navdata will have any changes to current info but FS wont recognize it. Which always has me ask, why do we need current data if FS wont use it? :-)

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FS uses its own database, 6 years old, the navdata will have any changes to current info but FS wont recognize it. Which always has me ask, why do we need current data if FS wont use it? :-)
You need to update your AFCAD in MSFS.

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I run into this all of the time and just deal with it by using whatever FSX prefers, lol. I've never played with AFCAD...easy to do?

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You need to update your AFCAD in MSFS.
If it was just for this one approach, yes, but updating every change, thats worse than the monthly Jepps updates!

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According to the US Government digital procedures (here) and Jeppesen (11-1, dated May 1, 09), it is indeed 111.55 and 092 inbound.

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use the LOC RWY27 its the more common approach for KSAN.
Which is more common 9 or 27?Whenever I have arrived (real world flights) from like JKF we always came in on 9! From WIKIpedia:When visibility is below 2 miles and during Santa Ana wind conditions, operations are reversed with landings and takeoffs to the east.
I run into this all of the time and just deal with it by using whatever FSX prefers, lol. I've never played with AFCAD...easy to do?
Some airports (KORD e..g.) have new runways / freqs / approaches.Are all your charts old also to match the MSFS database?Which database is in PMDGNGX?

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Some airports (KORD e..g.) have new runways / freqs / approaches.Are all your charts old also to match the MSFS database?
Well, I keep EFB, FSBuild, and PMDG aircraft updated with the latest AIRAC. When I come across the frequency differences between the charts EFB displays and what FSX shows (NGX), I'll go with the FSX version for the sake of convenience. With time on my hands, I'd could probably make some AFCAD updates...but never done that before.

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If it was just for this one approach, yes, but updating every change, thats worse than the monthly Jepps updates!
Purchase new scenery or just update the few airports you fly often.Many have not changed ... or do not change often.
Well, I keep EFB, FSBuild, and PMDG aircraft updated with the latest AIRAC. When I come across the frequency differences between the charts EFB displays and what FSX shows (NGX), I'll go with the FSX version for the sake of convenience. With time on my hands, I'd could probably make some AFCAD updates...but never done that before.
I keep all my frequently used airports up to date ... I have time to do it .. or make time before the flight.

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From VATSIM ZLA's SOP (which is a slightly simplified version of the RW SOP at the time of it's writing) 1. San Diego Lindbergh Field shall normally use runway 27 for departures and arrivals unless the wind is out of the east at 10 knots or greater, at which time runway 9 shall be the active runway, regardless of visibility.2. If the reported ceiling drops below 700' and/or the visibility decreases below 2 statute miles, then San Diego shall use runway 9 for arrivals and departures.3. If the reported ceiling drops below 300' and/or the visibility below 1 statute mile, San Diego will use runway 9 for arrivals and runway 27 for departures. During this situation, arrivals and departures will both occur west of the field, and delays should be expected.

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"Which is more common 9 or 27?Whenever I have arrived (real world flights) from like JKF we always came in on 9!" I mad an error ... should have said:Whenever I have arrived (real world flights) from like JKF we always came in on 27! Which would agree with the quote I made from WIKIpedia:When visibility is below 2 miles and during Santa Ana wind conditions, operations are reversed with landings and takeoffs to the east.

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RNY27 is much more common, probably 90% or more. 9 is used only when visibility is low which most often occurs early in the morning.

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It's been 27 every single time I've been there in real life. That approach is pretty famous for "The Parking Garage" that you pass over on short final and for the long displaced threshold.

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You need to update your AFCAD in MSFS.
How does one update the AFCAD? Do I need a special editor for this? And where would the actual file be that I need to update? I presume it is some sort of text file? Chris

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It's been 27 every single time I've been there in real life. That approach is pretty famous for "The Parking Garage" that you pass over on short final and for the long displaced threshold.
Hey Ryan, talking of displaced thresholds, why is it that, it's okay to use this for a departure, but not an arrival?

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The high glide path required to miss the buildings puts the normal landing point further down the runway. If displaced threshold were placed further back toward approach end of 27 it would encourage/requrie a steeper descent to land after VDP. VDP coordinated with threshold placement to facilitate a "normal safe" landing at stable approach descent rate to 50 feet over threshold.

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Which is more common 9 or 27?Whenever I have arrived (real world flights) from like JKF we always came in on 9!
Unless the winds are crazy (rare) for 27 or it's IMC weather, 27 will always be used at SAN. There is no ILS for 27 though so if you come in or leave during a marine layer day then you'll be using RWY09. It's one of those issues that I wish I could convince FSX ATC. It will use 09 if the winds aren't perfect for 27 but in reality, the winds will have to be pretty bad for them to switch to 09. And it's pretty rare in San Diego for winds to be coming from the east due to Santa Anna.

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Unless the winds are crazy (rare) for 27 or it's IMC weather, 27 will always be used at SAN. There is no ILS for 27 though so if you come in or leave during a marine layer day then you'll be using RWY09. It's one of those issues that I wish I could convince FSX ATC. It will use 09 if the winds aren't perfect for 27 but in reality, the winds will have to be pretty bad for them to switch to 09. And it's pretty rare in San Diego for winds to be coming from the east due to Santa Anna.
In another later post I corrected my typo ...I typed 9 instead of 27. My time to edit the original error (post) had expired.

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You might try the free Airport Design Editor http://www.airportdesigneditor.co.uk/ to change the frequency. File > Open Stock airport, KSAN, double click, go to Lists > Navaids, select ILS Runway 09, change the frequency. Save the airport for latter fiddling. Compile it to create a .bgl file. Copy that file into FSX\addon scenery or where ever you put such things. FSX should note the difference on startup if you use the addon scenery folder. Otherwise, you need to go into settings, scenery and give FSX a hint. I'm not sure how to change the heading to 93 ... I ought to read the manual some day! Richard

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I run into this all of the time and just deal with it by using whatever FSX prefers, lol. I've never played with AFCAD...easy to do?
Yup. There's a KSAN AFCAD in the AVSIM library that changes the preferred runway to the (harder) 27 approaches. Essential for anyone who likes to sim into KSAN. I'm a San Diego ex-pat I think the last time I was on a plane that used RWY 9 was 20+ years ago. (really.) To change the AFCAD follow the instructions in the download folder. I had never done it before and it was easy.

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Do you know where that file is? That'd be great. Having lived near SAN all my life, FSX is very annoying when it gives me RW09 on nice, sunny days.EDIT: This post is a demonstration on the importance of drinking more coffee before posting on forums. :)

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You might try the free Airport Design Editor http://www.airportdesigneditor.co.uk/ to change the frequency. File > Open Stock airport, KSAN, double click, go to Lists > Navaids, select ILS Runway 09, change the frequency. Save the airport for latter fiddling. Compile it to create a .bgl file. Copy that file into FSX\addon scenery or where ever you put such things. FSX should note the difference on startup if you use the addon scenery folder. Otherwise, you need to go into settings, scenery and give FSX a hint. I'm not sure how to change the heading to 93 ... I ought to read the manual some day! Richard
Hi: I installed the ADE and now it is asking me to set the path for the Shp2Vec Folder and the BGLComp folder. I don't even know what these are. Do you have any idea what and where these would be. It says it is supposed to be somehow related to my SKD (does that mean Scenery Design Kit??)? I am really confused because it says that the ADE will not work if these folder paths are not configured correctly... Am I supposed to install something called the SKD too? Thanks again, Chris Catalano

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