Hi Chris,Thanks for your answer and your help!Unfortunally my fuelplaner is not available probably until sunday due to server updates on the host side. The update took three or four days now, only to copy some data. Seems a little bit slow to me, however the webspace is free and so I don't want to point at anyone. Hopfully they are able to finish the update soon and I am looking forward to some further updates for my website. Maybe one day I will provide the fuelplaner as a C++ downloadversion too. Let's see what the future brings! ;)Best regardsJonathan

Hi Chris,Thanks for your answer and your help!Unfortunally my fuelplaner is not available probably until sunday due to server updates on the host side. The update took three or four days now, only to copy some data. Seems a little bit slow to me, however the webspace is free and so I don't want to point at anyone. Hopfully they are able to finish the update soon and I am looking forward to some further updates for my website. Maybe one day I will provide the fuelplaner as a C++ downloadversion too. Let's see what the future brings! ;)Best regardsJonathan

Yeah I've been checking it daily lol. Hopefully they get it done soon

Hi,Due to the duration of the server updates I have uploaded the website again on the same server however under another address. You can find my fuel planner here:-----> data2fuel.cwsurf.de <-----Best regards,Jonthan

Hi,Due to the duration of the server updates I have uploaded the website again on the same server however under another address. You can find my fuel planner here:-----> data2fuel.cwsurf.de <-----Best regards,Jonthan

Very nice of you sir. I'm on mobile right now, so ill check it out when I'm home

Hi,Due to the duration of the server updates I have uploaded the website again on the same server however under another address. You can find my fuel planner here:-----> data2fuel.cwsurf.de <-----Best regards,Jonthan

Hey I got to check it out today! Really good stuff! I will get to test it on a flight from RJAA to PANC (FDX 60) tomorrow when I have time. It said with max possible payload I would burn about 140,000lbs trip fuel for the 3600nm for trip fuel, plus around 31,000 more for reserves/alternate (PAFA) so I shall see how it works!A couple questions though!1. What altitude do you recommend to use? Does it base it off of starting best economic altitude and take into account step climbs? Or should I use average altitude for the flight?2. Does the alternate fuel take into account a certain holding time at the alternate? Because I estimated 30 mins to alternate (slight over-estimate) and thought it would use around 8000lbs, but yours said to use around 13,000lbs. I'm sure you're correct, just wondering what methods you use.3. I have some suggestions, and I will mention them in the kindest manner, as I don't know how much time you have to devoted to this, and I know that you developed this a while ago, and I know that you have already contributed a great amount. I was wondering if you have ever thought of adding entries and calculations for extra ATC delays, or weather delays. I know I can calculate it myself, but It takes some time to redo payload calculations and such when on a limited time frame (Sharing computer with gf, work, etc).Thanks again for this awesome tool, and I am sorry if I have any weird typos as I am being affected by some nice Gin which I felt I needed to consume after a 12 hr day waiting tables at a restaurant in Oklahoma. (If you have ever lived in Oklahoma for more than a couple months, you would understand the slight want of a drink to calm your nerves after a long day of work! lol)~Will~

Hi William,1. I would recomend to use an average altitude for the fuel calculation. Due to the complexity I wasn't able to take step climbs into the calculations. Maybe one day... (Sooner if I am able to find the data which is needed ;) ) If you are not sure which is your average level or if it is not selectable in the planner, I recomend to use the lower value. e.g.: Average is FL365 I would recomend to use FL360 for calculations, because your fuel burn is higher if you are at a lower altitude and so you will always end up with enough fuel.2. The fuel to the alternate contains the fuel needed for the route, the climb and the descent, a missed approach and some little reserve so that you will have a little bit more space and time before you will start to fall down ;) .3. I still try to improve my fuel planner and I am very thankfull for any suggestions. :) A little ATC extra can be added by setting the holding time from 30 minutes to 45 minutes. This may also helps to take bad weather into account.However I can add a selectable ATC+Bad weather delay time, this may takes a little bit of time, because I am a bit bussy right now, but I can add it if you wish. Until then you may help yourself out by setting the holding time to 45 minutes and may incerase the contengency percentage.Please let me know how your flights works out tomorrow!And don't worry about typos! My spelling is a lot worse, without Gin. :DJonathan

Hi JonathanI used your fuel planner a few days ago before the site went down, along with TopCat and there was not much difference in your figures. I use your planner all the time.

Hi Rick,Thanks for your feedback! Nice to hear that it works!Jonathan

Hi,I have just made an update to both, fuel.cwsurf.de and data2fuel.cwsurf.de (add free for three months), fuel-planning sites. As wished I added the possibility to enter a weather or ATC delay. I wasn't able to test it, however it should work. If you don't expect a weather or ATC delay you can left the 0 in there and nothing changes. B)Best regards,Jonathan

Hi,I have just made an update to both, fuel.cwsurf.de and data2fuel.cwsurf.de (add free for three months), fuel-planning sites. As wished I added the possibility to enter a weather or ATC delay.I wasn't able to test it, however it should work. If you don't expect a weather or ATC delay you can left the 0 in there and nothing changes. B)Best regards,Jonathan

Hi William,1. I would recomend to use an average altitude for the fuel calculation. Due to the complexity I wasn't able to take step climbs into the calculations. Maybe one day... (Sooner if I am able to find the data which is needed ;) ) If you are not sure which is your average level or if it is not selectable in the planner, I recomend to use the lower value. e.g.: Average is FL365 I would recomend to use FL360 for calculations, because your fuel burn is higher if you are at a lower altitude and so you will always end up with enough fuel.2. The fuel to the alternate contains the fuel needed for the route, the climb and the descent, a missed approach and some little reserve so that you will have a little bit more space and time before you will start to fall down ;) .3. I still try to improve my fuel planner and I am very thankfull for any suggestions. :) A little ATC extra can be added by setting the holding time from 30 minutes to 45 minutes. This may also helps to take bad weather into account.However I can add a selectable ATC+Bad weather delay time, this may takes a little bit of time, because I am a bit bussy right now, but I can add it if you wish. Until then you may help yourself out by setting the holding time to 45 minutes and may incerase the contengency percentage.Please let me know how your flights works out tomorrow!And don't worry about typos! My spelling is a lot worse, without Gin. :DJonathan

Dude, thou art awesome! And by all means, there was no rush needed for that extra time section you made, but thanks anyway! That helps a ton cause I think here in the states, the FAA requires 45 min of fuel at destination for IFR flights (recollecting from IFR ground class years ago), so any ATC or weather fuel would be extra on top of that (correct me if I'm wrong). Thanks for this awesome addition to the MD-11. I will be testing it today on RJAA-PANC in an hour

Hi William,No problem, it was less work than I bought at the first moment. Basically it is based on the holding fuel calculation with a fixed amount of fuel burned per minute. The most work was the addition for the pax fuel and the print version. Okay, it is basically also only copypasta... Sadly I am not informed about FAA requirements. My workload is high enough by learning for my PPL exam next month. :( But I do what I can and I try to do it as good as I can. I wish you a nice flight and I hope that the fuel numbers will bring you to your destination. :PBest regards,Jonathan

Hi William,No problem, it was less work than I bought at the first moment. Basically it is based on the holding fuel calculation with a fixed amount of fuel burned per minute. The most work was the addition for the pax fuel and the print version. Okay, it is basically also only copypasta...Sadly I am not informed about FAA requirements. My workload is high enough by learning for my PPL exam next month. :( But I do what I can and I try to do it as good as I can.I wish you a nice flight and I hope that the fuel numbers will bring you to your destination. :PBest regards,Jonathan

Nice! I got my PPL in '06. Also 3/4 through commercial and about 20 hrs on instrument, but I had to stop cause of costs.I was happy to see your explanation on fuel for the alternate cause I went back and looked up real world procedures and that is pretty spot on.Fly safe~Will~

Hi Jonathan,I did a short flight last night from Memphis to JFK. I was going to post screen shots of your website and Vroute but haven't quite figured out how to do that. I'm wondering if the captains reserve in Vroute is also adding more compared to your website. I used about 8,000 lbs more than what your calculator estimated. Any thoughts.Payload: 145,418 lbsAvg Winds: 329/66 - I inputted tailwinds for the flight. I received this information from Active Sky weather engine.Altitude: FL370Distance to alt: 162Total Distance: 925Vroute InfoTotal Fuel: 56,870Route Fuel: 33,150alt Fuel: 9,000Contigency Fuel: 1660Final Reserve: 6360Captains Reserve: 3000Taxi Fuel: 1500Your WebsiteFuel to Alt: 8724Holding: 5951Contingency: 1451Route Fuel: 28941Taxi Fuel: 1500Fuel on Board: 48441 Actual FlightRemaining Fuel: 15,500Route Fuel: 36,760Jonathan- Thanks again for taking a look; I'm sure there is something I'm missing.Chris K.I forgot to mention, but I used 30 min holding for your planner. (Nice addition of the ATC delay, weather field).

Hi Chris,I think it has to be a problem with the head-/tailwind component. Nothing can mess up as match of the fuel calculated as a wrong wind entry. Referring to rfinder.asalink.net your route is basically heading 060°. The wind however comes from 330°. As we see the wind comes 090° from the left. We nearly have no tailwind and no headwind. This gives us about 4000 lbs more fuel for the route. Okay, you needed about 4000 lbs more but I think thats much better than 8000 lbs off, isn't it? I will try to make some changes so that the heading and the wind direction + speed can be entered. This should make it a little bit easier, however that takes a little bit of time to program.I'd hope I was able to help you a little bit with the calculation and thanks for your feedback!Best regards,Jonathan

Jonathan,Thanks for the feedback! The wind component did cross my mind. I'll continue to do more flights and comparison and report back (probably through p.m., since I've taken up quite a bit of space on the thread). Cheers,Chris K.