Hi pilots,experimenting with grapgics setup for a while now.I was using the recommended setups from PMDG and various others from here:http://www.venetubo.com/fsx.htmlandhttp://www.simforums...topic36586.htmlandhttp://www.friendlyf...&threadID=20989 (German) Compared to a stock 737-800, VC of the PMDG NGX eats up almost 10 frames/sec here.Same setup, location, weather etc. just switching the aircraft. At PMDGs 738 i get an average around 17-20 fps, with others ~30+ fps (Frame limiter tool set to 30fps) Normal ?, or any way to optimize that. System specs: see signature Oliver BTW: no CTD's or OOMs since SP 3 or 4 ;-)

very normal even my new system struggles to run everything but its smooth and enjoyable mind you I have the settings on very high, all the default aircraft run much better but there is no comparison between the default 737 its a toy compared to the PMDG 737 NGX, i think its remarkable the PMDG 737 NGX runs so well in FSX

Yes it is demanding, not surprising with the degree of detail. Even on my i7 920 at 4GHz with a GTX580 it's demanding. I see low 20's up to 40 in the cruise. PMDG did say they will be providing a small utility to enable us to set level of detail though, to help those with low frame rate. To be included in SP1 I believe.

That is logical !!! If you have only a plane with 2D panel, you had the best performance. But this will never developer understand. A 2D panel flyer can switsch off the 3D panel in the fsx config, and you have best performance ! But the producer will, that you use a VC !!! That's silly, because you must load 2 panels, if you want to fly. But this will understand nobody.

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Yes it is demanding, not surprising with the degree of detail. Even on my i7 920 at 4GHz with a GTX580 it's demanding. I see low 20's up to 40 in the cruise. PMDG did say they will be providing a small utility to enable us to set level of detail though, to help those with low frame rate. To be included in SP1 I believe.

Just tried without "frame limiter", AA set in FSX and frame-settings to unlimitted, nvidia inspector to FSX default settings:Frames raised to 24-26, same startup situation and conditions (AS - EDDF, rwy 7L)Hmm, i will try that and reply back, if thats the solution (eyecandy, frames, no stutters)Unless theres more ideas Waiting for that SP1 to come ;-)Oliver

That is logical !!! If you have only a plane with 2D panel, you had the best performance. But this will never developer understand. A 2D panel flyer can switsch off the 3D panel in the fsx config, and you have best performance ! But the producer will, that you use a VC !!! That's silly, because you must load 2 panels, if you want to fly. But this will understand nobody.

Jap its a problem, but i can't realy see a BIG difference between switching PMDGs 2D / 3D cockpit, neither between "full screen" and "windowed mode"Its almost the same here ;-) BTW i am running in "windowed mode" due to FSInn preventing AA (I heard and can see that effect here)

That is logical !!! If you have only a plane with 2D panel, you had the best performance. But this will never developer understand. A 2D panel flyer can switsch off the 3D panel in the fsx config, and you have best performance ! But the producer will, that you use a VC !!! That's silly, because you must load 2 panels, if you want to fly. But this will understand nobody.

I think you are completly wrong with that statement! If you use 2D, then it will not use any resources of the VC at all and vice versa.Also only having a 2D panel would be going back 10 years in time, and btw. it´s not realistic at all flying in 2D.Does real pilot fly in a 2D enviroment? No they can move there heads in all direction in the cockpit I guess... Today there are beautiful help for us flying in VC in a simple way, using EZDok and or TrackiR. Long live only the VC. / Leffe

I think you are completly wrong with that statement! If you use 2D, then it will not use any resources of the VC at all and vice versa.Also only having a 2D panel would be going back 10 years in time, and btw. it´s not realistic at all flying in 2D. Does real pilot fly in a 2D enviroment? No they can move there heads in all direction in the cockpit I guess... Today there are beautiful help for us flying in VC in a simple way, using EZDok and or TrackiR. Long live only the VC. / Leffe

+1 VC with head tracking is the way to go for those not building full-blown home-cockpits.And it works lovely with the NGX VC and the well designed clickspots and interaction concepts.

Hi pilots,experimenting with grapgics setup for a while now.I was using the recommended setups from PMDG and various others from here:http://www.venetubo.com/fsx.htmlandhttp://www.simforums...topic36586.htmlandhttp://www.friendlyf...&threadID=20989 (German) Compared to a stock 737-800, VC of the PMDG NGX eats up almost 10 frames/sec here.Same setup, location, weather etc. just switching the aircraft. At PMDGs 738 i get an average around 17-20 fps, with others ~30+ fps (Frame limiter tool set to 30fps) Normal ?, or any way to optimize that. System specs: see signature Oliver BTW:    no CTD's or OOMs since SP 3 or 4 ;-)

What's detracting from your experience? Low fps? Or an on-screen fps counter showing that your fps are low? FSX can give a pretty good (ie smooth) performance even at low reported fps. So try turning off the fps counter and double-check whether your problem is real rather than ethereal.If, without using the fps counter, you find that the actual performance really is so poor as to be distracting, then you have two options: (i) buy better kit and overclock it to death's door; or (ii) use less demanding settings. Bojote's "optimizer" is worthwhile and the "Highmemfix" setting is absolutely necessary, but apart from such basic settings believe me you can spend hours fiddling around pointlessly with tweaks only to find that there is no silver bullet.Tim

Hi pilots,experimenting with grapgics setup for a while now.I was using the recommended setups from PMDG and various others from here:http://www.venetubo.com/fsx.htmlandhttp://www.simforums...topic36586.htmlandhttp://www.friendlyf...&threadID=20989 (German) Compared to a stock 737-800, VC of the PMDG NGX eats up almost 10 frames/sec here.Same setup, location, weather etc. just switching the aircraft. At PMDGs 738 i get an average around 17-20 fps, with others ~30+ fps (Frame limiter tool set to 30fps) Normal ?, or any way to optimize that. System specs: see signature Oliver BTW: no CTD's or OOMs since SP 3 or 4 ;-)

Hello,mine is 30 fps and smooth as silk... odd ?james.

I think you are completly wrong with that statement! If you use 2D, then it will not use any resources of the VC at all and vice versa.Also only having a 2D panel would be going back 10 years in time, and btw. it´s not realistic at all flying in 2D. Does real pilot fly in a 2D enviroment? No they can move there heads in all direction in the cockpit I guess... Today there are beautiful help for us flying in VC in a simple way, using EZDok and or TrackiR. Long live only the VC. / Leffe

No, actually, YOU are wrong. The sim loads up the 3d model and it will have to spend that video memory on the vc geometry and textures, even if the user is using a 2d panel, and can in theory induce OOM errors. Its unlikely to affect performance tho in a significant way tho. As for realism, real pilots dont have to struggle to find the click spot, the click spot doesnt move when the plane turns etc. In reality, real pilots can reach over and manipulate the MCP blindfolded. The huge hassle of using the MCP in a vc is nowhere near the experience of a real pilot. The 2d panel usage is really straight forward, the click spots doesnt move, you dont have to spend 1 second panning to be able to reach a button, then spend one second panning back. In that way, the 2d panel is way more realistic. :)

Johan! If it use some more Video memory as you say, because of loading some VC details, that wouldn´t rise, if youonly use 2D, so what! You wouldn´t be affected of an OOM because you also have a VC loaded in memory, but ain´t using it. No OOM, it´s more about heavy scenery addons such as tons of heavy airports, UT-texture, bad scenery with memory leaks etc. We all know that a 32 bit FS only can handle up to some 4GB of VAS (if a 64-bit) even if you had 16GB memory(as I have, but that´s another story) Those running a 32 bit OS can´t reach much more than 1,5-1.8GB of VS, before running running OOM. The MCP dosen´t move if you use Ezdok or Trackir in a right way. I could give you a video example of thatbut better is if you had follow the AOA training videos for MD11 or those video Nick released for NGX, there you havemy verification that the Flightdeck wasn´t moving when pressing or dialing a button. They used Ezdok and or Trackir in a right way. When using Trackir, one just have to press the middle mouse, to stop the movement, when dialing or pressinga knob. When using Ezdok, you use your predefined settings for MCP, OH, Pedestal, CDU, Throttle, etc.....and with Ezdok you can have very smooth movements between your diffr.Flightdeck settings. I suggest flying 767 LevelD if you only want an 2D Flightdeck. If I remember they had that choice, 2D or VC when loading the ac. To only have a 2D version anno 2011....Crise!!!....well I´ve already said what my thoughts was about that. / Leffe