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Carenado Flight Dynamics ?

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Anybody try doing a fwd slip in any of the Carenado airplanes ? They don't slip at all. I can do a fwd slip in a 172 to bleed off airspeed and loose altitude in real life. Try that with the Carenado 172/F33A in XPX or FSX.To top that all off, when pull the power to idle the right wing wants to roll to the right till you are inverted if you don't correct for it.Carenado planes look very nice but I wish they would put more effort into the flight dynamics. They have never been that good in my experience.I am flying Goran's Beechcraft Duchess and Jason Chandler's Cirrus SR22T in XPX. The flight dynamics seem to be spot on ! My only complaint with these two ADD-ONS are the textures. I'd really like to see some HD textures !

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We're limited to 2048 x 2048 textures and a limited amount of exported objects. We try to make efficient use of the texture size, but it's a very careful balancing act between them and the number of objects we export. The more textures and normal maps we have, the more it taxes your graphics card and slows the sim down.

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We're limited to 2048 x 2048 textures and a limited amount of exported objects. We try to make efficient use of the texture size, but it's a very careful balancing act between them and the number of objects we export. The more textures and normal maps we have, the more it taxes your graphics card and slows the sim down.
Take a look at the Turbine Duke by Real Air. Thats the type of textures I would like to see ! Dirt, dust, grime, reflections, etc...

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I've seen it. I'd go so far to say the Duke for FSX is one of the best add ons they have. XP developers have been pushing for higher texture resolution and the option to export more objects than we can now. Hopefully, we'll get that some time in the future.As a side note, when you're night flying in the Duchess, turn the flood lights up and watch the reflections in the windows.Turn them down, the reflections disappear.

Anybody try doing a fwd slip in any of the Carenado airplanes ? They don't slip at all. I can do a fwd slip in a 172 to bleed off airspeed and loose altitude in real life. Try that with the Carenado 172/F33A in XPX or FSX.To top that all off, when pull the power to idle the right wing wants to roll to the right till you are inverted if you don't correct for it.Carenado planes look very nice but I wish they would put more effort into the flight dynamics. They have never been that good in my experience.I am flying Goran's Beechcraft Duchess and Jason Chandler's Cirrus SR22T in XPX. The flight dynamics seem to be spot on ! My only complaint with these two ADD-ONS are the textures. I'd really like to see some HD textures !
I just did one and it felt quite right to me? I never did a forward slip to bleed off airspeed-I did them to increase descent rate without increasing airspeed?! That is the definition of a forward slip isn't it? Due to the slipperiness of both the bo and baron I would do them quite frequently when atc would dump me off too high at my destination airport. I just tried it on the Carenado and got an 800-1000 ft. desent with no increase in airspeed...<edit> ps. on a bonanza/baron if you need to bleed off airspeed on quickly-raise the nose to get gear speed-then drop the gear-they will fly almost like a Cessna from that point on.

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I just did one and it felt quite right to me? I never did a forward slip to bleed off airspeed-I did them to increase descent rate without increasing airspeed?! That is the definition of a forward slip isn't it? Due to the slipperiness of both the bo and baron I would do them quite frequently when atc would dump me off too high at my destination airport. I just tried it on the Carenado and got an 800-1000 ft. desent with no increase in airspeed...<edit> ps. on a bonanza/baron if you need to bleed off airspeed on quickly-raise the nose to get gear speed-then drop the gear-they will fly almost like a Cessna from that point on.
You use a fwd slip to increase the descent rate without increasing airspeed significantly. You should see a drop in Airspeed since your increasing induced drag and your pitot tube can't sample the air accurately(position errors).I tried using slip to land in a crosswind but couldn't keep the plane aligned with the runway.

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If you are seeing a drop in your airspeed you are setting yourself up for a stall/spin situation imho.

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If you are seeing a drop in your airspeed you are setting yourself up for a stall/spin situation imho.
No because your pushing the nose down. Stall speed in a 172 is about 45-50 cas/knots and your slipping about 55-60, + position errors.

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If you are losing airspeed as you said initially you are setting yourself up for a stall/spin. Remember-a plane can stall in any attitude-it is angle of attack.

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If you are losing airspeed as you said initially you are setting yourself up for a stall/spin. Remember-a plane can stall in any attitude-it is angle of attack.
I watched my instructor do a fwd slip at stall speed. I was a lill nervous and would never try it myself at that speed. Slipping to correct for a crosswind is common in a 172 as is a fwd slip. You need to check your POH becuase some AC do not slip very well and or they are not recommended.Yes you are right, you can stall in any attitude and speed.Maybe someone else can chime in on this. I'm not an expert.

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I've got 200 hours in Cessna's so are aware how they slip-I would not be comfortable with what your instructor did either.I'll be posting you a video in the Carenado f33 slipping as soon as it finishes uploading.

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Here is a no flap landing in the f33a. Note-I start level at approach speed of 90 knts...go into the slip mainting 90 knots the whole way and get a 5-600 ft. per minute descent. When I release the slip I let the nose slide all over the place to show-in rw I would not let that happen to discomfort my passengers but wanted to show it in fact was slipped. As a note-this is the type of maneuver that I love xplane for-this type of precission and smooth handling would be hard in any other present sim! :-)Video of slipping the Carenado f33a:http://forum.avsim.n...__fromsearch__1

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Are you not both saying the same thing? Just different way of expressing it, it seems to me. If you are too high and slip to lose altitude, but are not gaining speed, you are essentialy slowing down, because if you wern't slipping you would gain speed all things being equal.When I did my check ride with a FAA Designated Examiner, he told me, "I'm bring you into high on purpose to see if you can get it down". I said "OK", and stomped on the right rudder as hard as I could ripped hat yoke to left as far as it would, and slipped it almost down to th deck. Just as I was getting off the rudder the examiner started yelling, 'QUIT SLIPPING, QUIT SLIPPING". I made the best landing I had ever made in my life, I really lucked out, but it was all I could do to keep from grinning.

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Yeah-but I would be pegging the airspeed at approach speed. If the airspeed indicator is decreasing while in a cross controlled situation you are asking for trouble and it can happen fast...but actually thinking about what you just said-you are increasing your descent rate while maintaining airspeed by adding increased drag-not going slower..

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As a note-this is the type of maneuver that I love xplane for-this type of precission and smooth handling would be hard in any other present sim! :-)
I'm not discrediting X-Plane, but I certainly got some excellent precision slips out of my RealAir SF260, over the years.......too.
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