February 1, 201214 yr A more interesting topic is "what makes airfoils work?". Newton? Bernoulli? Magic? I challenge you to start a topic about this!As far as I'm concerned....................NO one has the exact and absolute answer. It will be debated until the true origins of the universe are known. Personally, I want knowexactly where deep space ends, and what's on the other side....But...................as far as lift is concerned, we do have enough information to calculate just about everything.A better topic is..................Why do some instructors, make a student feel like GPS is "cheating"? And then these same students go off to brag, that they don'tneed one of those "gizmo's, toy's" anyway. So dissapointing.............
February 1, 201214 yr Pitching down would have done nothing to save the two occupants since the terrain was out climbing aircraft. The area the plane crashed, SE of Grandby, CO is a rough area to climb through since the terrain rises very quickly. Continuing as far as they did there was no place to go and they would have struck the trees regardless.Not departing or taking a different course is the only thing that would have saved them.Unfortunately that video speaks more of the reason why low landers should get mountain flying training and use proper flight planning prior to operating in mountains or through passes. DA at sea level is nothing, DA at elevation can be a killer.I'd much rather have control of the aircraft when crashing than spinning in, uncontrollably, upside down. At least then I'd have better chances of survival.A better topic is..................Why do some instructors, make a student feel like GPS is "cheating"? And then these same students go off to brag, that they don'tneed one of those "gizmo's, toy's" anyway. So dissapointing.............Agreed, but I did lose my GPS years ago. Completely lost satellites on a 430. I wished at that point I had focused on chart flying! Edited February 1, 201214 yr by ZachLW ___________________________________________________________________________________ Zachary Waddell -- Caravan Driver -- Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/zwaddell Avsim ToS Avsim Screenshot Rules
February 2, 201214 yr Agreed, but I did lose my GPS years ago. Completely lost satellites on a 430. I wished at that point I had focused on chart flying!Usually, it's something wrong with the equipment, or bad antenna location. And then there are a few military location problems. But as a whole, the GPS systemvery reliable. I have two friends who fly Boeing 737-800's in which the GPS system is the main navigation system of three. They keep me up to date on outages.Very seldom...........as in.... a few seconds in eight years. Moral of the story.........keep a hand-held for backup. And........WAAS doesn't yet apply to the whole world.
February 2, 201214 yr A better topic is..................Why do some instructors, make a student feel like GPS is "cheating"? And then these same students go off to brag, that they don'tneed one of those "gizmo's, toy's" anyway. So dissapointing.............Because it is cheating and if you don't know the basics when you lose your GPS signal then you are going to be in a world of hurt. Just yesterday actually again in our nice new G1000'd King Air we had to go back to raw data because we lost our GPS signal on both receivers. You are the one and only pilot I have heard from that thinks this way and I am happy to know that pilots still keep up there skills in using the more archaic navigation methods when the poo hits the fan. It has saved my life on more than one occasion and I am happy my bits and pieces made it to the ground when I could do a VOR, NDB or a BC approach with raw data into an airport. Chris Miller
February 2, 201214 yr Because it is cheating and if you don't know the basics when you lose your GPS signal then you are going to be in a world of hurt. Just yesterday actually again in our nice new G1000'd King Air we had to go back to raw data because we lost our GPS signal on both receivers. You are the one and only pilot I have heard from that thinks this way and I am happy to know that pilots still keep up there skills in using the more archaic navigation methods when the poo hits the fan. It has saved my life on more than one occasion and I am happy my bits and pieces made it to the ground when I could do a VOR, NDB or a BC approach with raw data into an airport.Whatever. I'm done...
February 2, 201214 yr Whatever. I'm done...Well hate it all you want. GPS is a magical device but it has downside just like other form of navigation and you shouldn't rely on it as your sole source. Chris Miller
February 2, 201214 yr Author Well hate it all you want. GPS is a magical device but it has downside just like other form of navigation and you shouldn't rely on it as your sole source.We hardly EVER use the GPS... I've gotten so used to visual landmarks that I don't even need one.
February 2, 201214 yr We hardly EVER use the GPS... I've gotten so used to visual landmarks that I don't even need one.That is good that is how it should be in your local area. Kind of a funny story sorta related to that.There was a student we had at the college I used to teach at that some how never made it on a solo cross country. He passed his stage check for solo cross-countries but was so afraid he would get lost that he stayed in the practice area. He would talk to the other students to see how long it would take them and then he would go into the practice area and climb up to 11,000 feet so no one would see him, fly around for the time he needed and then come back down from the direction of the airport that he was supposed to go to for his cross country.A good pilot will know how to use all the navigation aids that are in their cockpit. Chris Miller
February 2, 201214 yr There was a student we had at the college I used to teach at that some how never made it on a solo cross country. He passed his stage check for solo cross-countries but was so afraid he would get lost that he stayed in the practice area. He would talk to the other students to see how long it would take them and then he would go into the practice area and climb up to 11,000 feet so no one would see him, fly around for the time he needed and then come back down from the direction of the airport that he was supposed to go to for his cross country.Wow! I've heard of (caught) helicopter pilots at the local flight school setting down in obscure fields and running the engine instead of flying their x-countries, but that is over the top ridiculous! ___________________________________________________________________________________ Zachary Waddell -- Caravan Driver -- Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/zwaddell Avsim ToS Avsim Screenshot Rules
February 2, 201214 yr Author Wow! I've heard of (caught) helicopter pilots at the local flight school setting down in obscure fields and running the engine instead of flying their x-countries, but that is over the top ridiculous!Jeez.... What kind of cowards were they?
February 2, 201214 yr Jeez.... What kind of cowards were they?In our little world of aviation you will see two types of people. There are those of us that love it and it is our passion to learn everything about our craft/trade/industry/skill. Then there are those that just want to go around to people and mention their achieved status by saying, "I am a pilot". Once people realize how easy it is to be a pilot, after you study books and get your hands and feet in sync, it's not cool to go around talking about being a pilot. Chris Miller
February 2, 201214 yr ...... Hey, Chris - I just read your very appropriate comment.... and then I spotted your signature......... oops! :( Edited February 2, 201214 yr by Paul J i7 [email protected] | 32GB RAM | EVGA RTX 3080Ti | Maximus Hero VII | 512GB 860 Pro | 512GB 850 Pro | 256GB 840 Pro | 2TB 860 QVO | 1TB 870 EVO | Seagate 3TB Cloud | EVGA 1000 GQ | Win10 Pro | EK Custom water cooling.
February 2, 201214 yr ...... Hey, Chris - I just read your very appropriate comment.... and then I spotted your signature......... oops! :( In our little world of aviation you will see two types of people. There are those of us that love it and it is our passion to learn everything about our craft/trade/industry/skill. Then there are those that just want to go around to people and mention their achieved status by saying, "I am a pilot". Once people realize how easy it is to be a pilot, after you study books and get your hands and feet in sync, it's not cool to go around talking about being a pilot.Nerdy niche forums don't count! In other words, present company excluded... It's not even cool to tell girls you're a pilot to pick them up... until they ask. ___________________________________________________________________________________ Zachary Waddell -- Caravan Driver -- Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/zwaddell Avsim ToS Avsim Screenshot Rules
February 2, 201214 yr The Air Force's use of pitch for altitude lays precisely in line with their culture. .../....The Navy and Marine Corps have a culture that fits the use of ptich for airspeed as used in their manual because it provides an understanding, instead of just a mere how-to, so that their people are more capable of using initiative to overcome and solve problems. Hi Kevin,Back to the original topic, are you saying that the US Air Force doesn't know what they are doing and that only the Navy and Marines know how to fly or did you get carried over (or did I misunderstand completely :( )?What I have always been told is that the reason naval aviators fly they approaches using AOA for speed is because THEY LAND ON BOATS (ie as slow as possible, close to 2nd regime, see my first post). It's no surprise that they drill this into their future pilot's heads since initial training. At least your post seems to recognize the fact that, as you say : "Pitch and Power has its place..." even if you add that "... but it's not when you are presolo and learning the basics of flight." I think we need more input on this....Bruno
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