I am working on it already. Don't know if I will be able to finish it today, but as soon as it is done, I will post it here. It will start with a disclaimer stating it is created for use in MS Flight only and that the method used is not the usual method, even though this method is used in the real world. I will also scrap the blah blah and joking around and keep it as simple and short as possible without comments about what's better or easier...

Wonderful - thank you very much for taking your time to put this together for us Jeroen, take your time- I most certainly appreciate your efforts on this!

What is that???

• Tune to the station
• Identify via morse code
• Twist the OBS to the course or radial you want
• Parallel, or turn to a heading that parallels the radial or course set in the OBS
• Intercept the radial/course by flying towards it. Towards the CDI needle if you're using the correct method, away if you're reverse sensing. I won't open the intercept angle discussion, but 30° is the typical angle taught.
• Track the radial or course. This one is obvious. Match your heading to the radial or course set and correct for wind to track inbound/outbound.

• Tune to the station
• Identify via morse code
• Twist the OBS to the course or radial you want
• Parallel, or turn to a heading that parallels the radial or course set in the OBS
• Intercept the radial/course by flying towards it. Towards the CDI needle if you're using the correct method, away if you're reverse sensing. I won't open the intercept angle discussion, but 30° is the typical angle taught.
• Track the radial or course. This one is obvious. Match your heading to the radial or course set and correct for wind to track inbound/outbound.

Looks like too much "head's in the cockpit" to me.... I prefer the new fangled "all in a glance"...........which allows more time for outside scan, as well as much more knowlege of the situation.The VOR method might be more fun in a simulator. It's something to do......since air traffic & birds, isn't as critical.BTW--- this photo came from a Van's RV-10, on the internet this morning. Takes a few minutes to learn what's all included, but is rather easy from that point on. Note... winds, true airspeed, etc.

That is a NICE display! :D Thanks.Hook

Wonderful - thank you very much for taking your time to put this together for us Jeroen, take your time- I most certainly appreciate your efforts on this!

Because Avsim took the tutorials offline, I think it is inappropriate to post them as a pdf on this forum, so I just send you a PM with a link to the pdf with the (heavily edited) tutorials! If anyone else is interested, just PM me and I will send you the link. Sounds like the best solution right now. The pdf is very simple: I planned to create it on my work computer (a Mac for graphic design), but couldn't do so due to circumstances, but well, it's about the information and not the looks...

Because Avsim took the tutorials offline, I think it is inappropriate to post them as a pdf on this forum,

I have no problem with you posting the revised versions in the Tutorial section. I didn't realize that you hadn't saved your work locally when I moved those two "offline." They are still there of course, just not available to be read by the public.You could also simply provide a brief synopsis of the Tutorial, and then upload the .pdf as a .zip file along with the synopsis.This Tutorial section is new to AVSIM so probably still needs a bit of "tweaking" for ease of use. I don't know myself if it's possible to configure it to allow the original poster to have Edit ability. I'll have to ask Tom about that.Had I known it would cause an inconvenience for you, I would not have moved them offline until you'd managed to recover your text and pictures... Mea culpa!

Tune to the station

Thanks Zach... i did have to google the pit part last nite...I don't mess with the pit. Once station ID is made and the radial input'd... simple enough to turn to intercept.

Because Avsim took the tutorials offline, I think it is inappropriate to post them as a pdf on this forum, so I just send you a PM with a link to the pdf with the (heavily edited) tutorials!

Got it Jeroen, thank you very much!!

I have no problem with you posting the revised versions in the Tutorial section. I didn't realize that you hadn't saved your work locally when I moved those two "offline." They are still there of course, just not available to be read by the public.You could also simply provide a brief synopsis of the Tutorial, and then upload the .pdf as a .zip file along with the synopsis.This Tutorial section is new to AVSIM so probably still needs a bit of "tweaking" for ease of use. I don't know myself if it's possible to configure it to allow the original poster to have Edit ability. I'll have to ask Tom about that.Had I known it would cause an inconvenience for you, I would not have moved them offline until you'd managed to recover your text and pictures... Mea culpa!

Well, first of all it wasn't too clever of me to NOT save it all on my own PC. :wink:Secondly, I somehow was able to open the tutorials online, maybe because I wrote them...? Anyway, using the links in the openings post I do see them (though with a red background) and so I was able to copy everything. So no harm done there. :wink:Thirdly, even though the method works, it IS an unusual method and I now understand it may confuse people... I did edit the content when I made a pdf of it today, but I only edited out all the blah blah about how nice it all is and only kept the parts where I actually explain things. So what the tutorial teaches is still the same unconventional method... and as it is now, considering various reactions AND considering the fact that I can't really back it up or give feedback to it due to lack of knowledge, I think it's better if people have to take the trouble of PM'ing me if they really want the pdf: making it easily available may be 'dangerous' for those that know nothing about VOR navigation because switching between the two methods isn't easy. Creating a tutorial that works is nice and all but not being able to explain how it can be used in different more complicated situations, which is a must with VOR navigation, isn't too good, because in that case people might still have to learn the 'other' method, making things only more complicated. If you know what I mean, haha! :wink:So... as far as I am concerned they may stay offline.

So... as far as I am concerned they may stay offline.

Fwiw - reading your reasoning and explanations - very classy of you Jeroen, very classy.

So... as far as I am concerned they may stay offline.

Okay, I understand all that. Still though, there'd be no harm in posting a notice in the Tutorial section that your PDF was available on request......otherwise, how will anyone, say two months from now, know that it is available? :hi:

Fair enough :) ... But just to let you know, you already understand VOR navigation pretty darn well.. pretty much self-taught.. and grasp the big picture better than many real pilots I've come across.. As you dive deeper into it, and execute more and more of it.. dollars to donuts says you'll transition your methedology to more traditional, probably not even realizing it.. especially as you get into things like VOR approaches, and flying VOR-based holds...I've presided over countless, instrument ground school classes (been flying since 1979, instrument/commercial rated since 2005, active CFI from 2006-2009).. and would be delighted to have a handful of "yous" in a class :)

You were right, Brett... It only took me a few days to go from scratching the surface of the unconventional method to diving completely into the traditional one and I am glad I did... And heck, once you understand it, it's quite easy, really! I posted about my latest 'VOR trick' here:http://forum.avsim.net/topic/366640-another-vor-navigation-method/page__st__25#entry2307021:wink:

Jeroen, I hope you don't mind me also linking a great site for learning VORs and many, many other things through self study: http://www.luizmonteiro.com/ <---Main Sitehttp://www.luizmonteiro.com/Learning_VOR_Sim.aspx <--VOR "Simulator"It even simulates accurate slant range with altitude.