Anti Piracy Measure

[mgh 89]

You make a good point. But then comparing child pornography to copyright infringement is ludicrous.

 

 

It establishes the principle that rights are not absolute and the government is entitled to limit some peiople's right in order to project other's rights.

 

I think the gov't just needs to keep their hands out of our 'cookie jars'.

 

While allowing thieves put their hands in?

[ZachLW 37]

It establishes the principle that rights are not absolute and the government is entitled to limit some peiople's right in order to project other's rights.

 

Well... Youtube sometimes offers copyright infringing video and audio. Shouldn't the government have ISPs block customers from Youtube as well? It has to be done a different way. Establishing a principle that the government can censor sites from me is a scary thought.

[Great Ozzie 101]

But then comparing child pornography to copyright infringement is ludicrous.

 

(I had half a mind to say, "I believe robbing banks is wrong... but then again I believe I should have the right to rob a bank should I choose to do so..." sarcastic, yes... and not desiring to be sarcastic today, let's try something else.)

 

My mom would say, "Right is right and Wrong is wrong."

 

So no... not ludicrous. Copyright infringement of software = theft... plain and simple. If it is too much for a citizen to abide by copyright law, then the citizen(s) hurt by piracy (which includes those of us who "legally" purchase) have a right to expect government to step in and protect us.

 

This business of "how far it will go" is nothing more than a straw man type argument... look now and see for yourself how far "it has gone".

 

And just because "no way prevent it" makes no sense as an argument not to attempt some sort of government intervention... no way to prevent the guys who tried to kick in my front door last year from trying... multiple (felony) laws on the books for this... still I am glad the laws are in place despite the fact someone tried... maybe it reduces the number of people that try. If not... I still have a legal remedy in the (very real) case someone tries.

 

Maybe a company has the right to make a "Home Invasion Kit"? "Here it is... all the tools you need to gain successful entry into 99% of the homes in America. Success Guaranteed!" (please do not mentions tools made to gain access into a, say... a motor vehicle).

 

Freedom does not mean license to act without consequence or use it in such a way that harms others. Every day man demonstrates he needs to be governed by laws... and this idea, "I should be allowed to download software without paying for it" is a perfect example.

 

Were I to live in the UK, my "Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" would be totally unaffected by such a law. The fact is, those that patronize Pirate Bay actually impinge on my "unalienable rights" previously mentioned.

 

Well... Youtube sometimes offers copyright infringing video and audio.

 

Oh come on Zach...

 

Youtube does not do this... people who have signed up... sure they do it.

 

Youtube takes an active role in eliminating video copyright infringement.

[ZachLW 37]

Oh come on Zach...

 

Youtube does not do this... people who have signed up... sure they do it.

 

Youtube takes an active role in eliminating video copyright infringement.

 

TPB works the same way, does it not?

 

Either way. As much as I want to agree wholeheartedly with you guys, I can't. The thought of my government blocking sites from me is hard to fathom. I could argue all day, but my only point is that blocking on the user side seems wrong. In other words: I could care less what happens to thepiratebay and its patrons. I'm only interested in the precedent the decision sets for other sites...

[Great Ozzie 101]

TPB works the same way, does it not?

 

:Big Grin:

 

I think the software copyright holders would "beg to differ".

 

I under(stand) your point about "a precedent" and yes, agreed, that is a very good / salient point.

[snwboardn 87]

So we should have the choice to view child pornography?

 

No of course not, but we shouldn't treat everyone as potential child molesters either! Should the government start doing random door to door harddrive inspections? I mean it is worth it as long as we get child molesters off the street right?

 

That is the point he is making, no we shouldn't allow that kind of stuff but at the same time how many rights are you willing to give up to make sure child pornography is non-existent... (Freely insert pirating, or any other unethical activity for child pornography)

[Eamonn Watson 32]

Reworded, We have free will and a choice.. Child Pornography is wrong and I dont want it on the internet.. Blocking websites is not the answer to that problem.. Allowing a government to bock a website, any website starts a trend that leads to them blocking things they do not agree with or any commercial entity does not agree with..

 

Now from a copyright infringement standpoint, i do not agree with what governments are trying to. The YouTube example for instance, if someone posts something that violates a copyright on youtube, the government would then have the right to block the entire site for one persons bad act, that is wrong.

 

This is just my own personal opinion..

[mgh 89]

..but at the same time how many rights are you willing to give up to make sure child pornography is non-existent... (Freely insert pirating, or any other unethical activity for child pornography)

 

 

But you'd expect children to give up their right not to be abused for the sexual gratifiaction of perverts? As long as child p0rnography is accessible there will be child pornographers and abused children.

 

The YouTube example for instance, if someone posts something that violates a copyright on youtube, the government would then have the right to block the entire site for one persons bad act, that is wrong.

 

What law would permit that - SOPA didn't? That's a total misrepresentation

[ZachLW 37]

But you'd expect children to give up their right not to be abused for the sexual gratifiaction of perverts? As long as child p0rnography is accessible there will be child pornographers and abused children.

 

 

 

What law would permit that - SOPA didn't? That's a total misrepresentation

 

As long as their are perverts and children there will be child pornographers and abused children. But as far as the argument you're making, I see it, and I can't deny that blocking such sites would be effective. Again, it comes down to what other implications come from being able to block sites deemed "illegal" and how far those implications go.

 

Also, SOPA very much allowed the fining and/or blocking of said sites.

 

Either way, we're beating a dead horse. I know you're a hard head like me, mgh. :Peace:

[mgh 89]

As long as their are perverts and children there will be child pornographers and abused children. But as far as the argument you're making, I see it, and I can't deny that blocking such sites would be effective. Again, it comes down to what other implications come from being able to block sites deemed "illegal" and how far those implications go.

 

Of course there have always been perverts, child abusers, and pornographers but the increased accessibity on the internet result in an enormous increase in demand. As ever, demand increased supply and the number of abused children..

 

i'm content to give up my right to visit child porn sites, if that would save even one child from abuse - and it would save many.

[Great Ozzie 101]

Hmm, do I believe we should have the choice to view child pornography, YES, from the choice perspective only..

 

Oh for the love of St. Peter... Eamonn do you realize what you are saying?

 

To have "the choice" of viewing child porn means there has to be children exploited for it to exist.

 

I gave up my flight career to be a Stay-at-Home-Dad because I believe my kids are worth it.

 

If I was willing to die for my country... need be that is when I was serving as a U.S. Marine...

 

And I am totally ready to lay down my life for the protection of my children...

 

What makes you think I (or other parents like me) would not be willing stand and fight before the gates of Hell to prevent our children from such (sexual) exploitation?

 

And we should have a choice to do this??? That is not what I signed up for. The Government (here) is "us"... and I am not going to sanction child exploitation for an adult's sexual gratification just because they think they have a "right" to do such.

 

You have no right to "tread on me."

[Eamonn Watson 32]

Hey Rob, I by no means am sanctioning it.. I would kill for my children, however I believe we have free will and we have the choice to do something or not. Just like you have the choice to commit murder, it is still illegal you just have the choice.. Going back to the OP, there is a choice to goto piratebay.com or not, and I dont believe any government has the right to censor that, for the same reason, some governments are trying to make it law to stop peer to peer sharing which I am sorry to say is far from illegal.. Just the content might be illegal, thats all.

 

As for child pornography, I do not know how that topic came up, do I believe you have the right to view it, of course not, just like I dont believe you have the right to murder someone.. I believe you have a choice in the matter, if you choose to view it, your committing a crime. If the police agencies abolish it all together then there are no children being exploited. Just blocking a website is not the answer.

[ZachLW 37]

snip

 

Fair enough. I can see where your coming from.

[Spook 96]

Already unaccessable here

 

 

 

 

...hhuuh theres the 1st step to our big brother nanny state society.

 

Great.

[out 769]

If the government blocked me from connecting to AVSIM, I would either cry or go mad or maybe even go to the streets (which I usually never do).

If they block some stinking thief portals, I couldn't care less.

 

Being a part of the society and living in pure freedom at the same time is a utopia.

Everyone has a different point of view, morality, and sense of freedom.

Societies and laws can only offer imperfect means of intellectual property protection.

I won't defend Pirate Bay. I have much more valuable ideas to fight for in case I believe they are in danger.