I bought the FSD Navajo Panter and the FSD Cheyenne 400s and the PMDG Beech 1900D. This is the first time I bought payware anything other than FSUIPC. I am Very impressed and think it was worth the money for the FSD aircraft but I am disappointed in the 1900. The 1900 looks very nice and flys on the numbers but has pretty well the default kingair panel in it. Don't get me wrong for $14 it is nice but I thought it would have been a little more in depth about the aircraft. On the other hand the Navajo and Cheyenne are the best aircraft I have flown or had in FS. I flew Navajos in real life for a year and the FS one is right on in performance, visual model/panel other than the GPS should be weather radar or at least the one I flew. The Cheyenne is awesome also, I have never flown one in real life but it seems like it is real like the Navajo. Anyways I am really happy with my FSD aircraft now and suggest them to anyone. The PMDG 1900D is very nice visually but doesn't have the real world aspect of it but it is still nice. I was wondering if there is anyway to return a payware aircraft and get your money back for it? If not oh well at least I have a 1900 that looks real. Cheers!P.S. FSD ROCKS!!!!!!!

I did read the reviews about the 1900 and I pretty much know the anwser to the money back question but for $14 I like the B1900D and would have at least a good model. I just wish it had a little more to it system wise.

Well said birdie,Yes I too have all of FSD's aircraft and they are IMHO the best aircraft out there in terms of an excellent balance between complexity and flyability. In addition, Steve Small's flight models are absolutely second to none.All of their aircraft are interesting/different and are not regurgitated examples of the same old things that are produced ad nauseum.Cheers,Chris Porter:-outtaPerthWestern AustraliaMy "Around the World 4" flight pagehttp://members.iinet.net.au/~portercbp/fly...e%20World_5.htm

Something you may consider then to further enhance your experience, with all these aircrafts at once:- 530XP Garmin- Weather Radar- Jet Line 2 EFISAll from www.reality-xp.comIn a joint development partnership, FSD offers a standard configuration to their excellent aircrafts for some or all Reality XP avionics (in the load manager, just check the option). In a similar agreement, PMDG is also offering a standard configuration setup to their unique B1900 for any of the Reality XP product combination.Jet Line 2 EFIS is meant to retrofit any standard ADI/HSI and is doing wonders in both the Cheyenne and the B1900 for many users. You may consider reading the B1900 review at avsim for more information about the combinatin of the two and see some screenshots.The Weather Radar is exceptionaly well suited for these two aircrafts as well.The Garmin 530XP is simply the only 100% accurate simulation of the GNS530 available today for FS.Hope this helps!

If you had seen the other posts on this and looked at the info on their website more closely, you might have noticed that is why it is their "express line", otherwise it would have been higher priced. I personally thing they should have given an option for those looking for the full deal. All in all a great plane at a great price, I am just dissapointed they never released a paintkit even though they said they would.Regards, MichaelKDFWhttp://www.calvirair.com/mcpics/PBTMCa.jpgCalVirAir International VACougar Mountain Helicopters & Aviation[link:www.cgrmtnhelos.com]Cougar Mountain Helicopters

Hi Mike,The B1900 paintkit is there > http://www.precisionmanuals.com/downloads/...le=418&iType=14I agree, the FSD planes are very nice indeed, although I find FSD's support and general suspiciousness of their customers a little hard to stomach sometimesDan.

>> I bought the FSD Navajo Panter and the FSD Cheyenne 400s and>the PMDG Beech 1900D. This is the first time I bought payware>anything other than FSUIPC. I am Very impressed and think it>was worth the money for the FSD aircraft but I am disappointed>in the 1900. The 1900 looks very nice and flys on the numbers>but has pretty well the default kingair panel in it. Don't>get me wrong for $14 it is nice but I thought it would have>been a little more in depth about the aircraft. On the other>hand the Navajo and Cheyenne are the best aircraft I have>flown or had in FS. I flew Navajos in real life for a year>and the FS one is right on in performance, visual model/panel>other than the GPS should be weather radar or at least the one>I flew. The Cheyenne is awesome also, I have never flown one>in real life but it seems like it is real like the Navajo. >Anyways I am really happy with my FSD aircraft now and suggest>them to anyone. The PMDG 1900D is very nice visually but>doesn't have the real world aspect of it but it is still nice.> I was wondering if there is anyway to return a payware>aircraft and get your money back for it? If not oh well at>least I have a 1900 that looks real. Cheers!>>P.S. FSD ROCKS!!!!!!! The PMDG 1900 "Express" was never meant to be an in-depth aircraft, hence the "Express" title. It was designed to be a cheap model that provided a balance between realism/functionality/cost. If you wanted a totally realistic cockpit then you should have gotten the PMDG 737 Series. ;)I just bought the PMDG 1900 "Express" and when combined with the JL2, 530XP, and WX Radar it is GREAT! You may want to consider purchasing one or some, or all of these add-ons from Reality XP. Expensive? Yes. But TOTALLY worth it!!:)When you combine the Reality XP Gauges with the 1900 it turns into a REALLY nice package, albeit a quite expensive one if you don't already own the gauges. ANother cool feature of the Reality XP gauges is that there are already retrofits out there for many other aircraft, your FSD Panther, F1 C421, F1 C441, SF. 260, etc.. giving you the opportunity to transform what is already great into something AMAZING.Hope this helps!:)

I also highly recommend the Reality XP JL2 and Wx500. Wonderful addons, especially the weather radar.

Agree with what these folks said, but I'll throw the Garmin 530 from RXP in there too...I love it.Just one comment with respect to the Beech - the cockpit is it's only fault, IMO. Flight model and Physical model are excellent. But then, what is missing that you'd like to see? The real beech isn't that far from a kingair panel. Pull some shots off of airliners.net of beech 1900D cockpits, and what you'll see is that PMDG has done a remarkable rendering using stock gauges. That said, I fly mine with the Jetline2's, the WX500 and the garmin530, and like it much more than stock.Best, and congrats on two fine purchases!Best,sg

"Just one comment with respect to the Beech - the cockpit is it's only fault, IMO."I'm not sure there is any fault in the B1900 in respect to its cockpit: it has been designed to be a simple yet featured enough addon for a very atractive cost.Looking at the number of available freeware 3D models and repaints, and the lack of freeware custom made gauges, it should help understand and weigh were the most of the development cost and the research and development is in a FS product.And like in the real world, you purchase the airframe from one vendor, the engine from one other, then the Avionics and Gauges from a third vendor. Could Cessna alone be able to invest in R&D and produce all the three in-house? no. There is no reason addons don't evolve this way too, for the same economic reasons, as the market demand increases in my humble opinion.Hope this helps!

>There is no reason addons don't evolve this way too,>for the same economic reasons, as the market demand>increases in my humble opinion.I agree with you there - the Reality-XP addons have been the most valuable things I've purchased. I don't fly a single plane in FS right now that doesn't have at least one RXP gauge (well, maybe one or two - Bill Lyons Waco doesn't need gauges ;)).>I'm not sure there is any fault in the B1900 in >respect to its cockpit: it has been designed to>be a simple yet featured enough addon for a >very atractive cost.That was my point as well...

I am sorry if I seemed to come down too hard on the PMGD 1900, Like I said I did read the review and thought for only $14 I was worth it and it is(Visual and Flight Dynamics). I posted this on 3 forums(Avsim, Simviation, and Flightsim), everyone pretty much said get the reality-xp gauges. I did look at these and at first I was thinking that they cost just as much as the planes for eash one(WX radar, GPS, EFIS) but from the replies I think I might splurge and get them now :). Cheers!!P.S. Thanks for your input. And about the PMDG 737 I know it is a good one but right now I like the props. In the future I will probaby buy it.

"I flew Navajos in real life for a year and the FS one is right on in performance, visual model/panel other than the GPS should be weather radar or at least the one I flew."Maybe something like this: A Weather radar and a "smaller" GPShttp://www.jcboliveira.flysplash.org/foruns/navajo2.jpgJos

Jean Luc, you might have mentioned you ARE Reality XP.Nothing wrong with promoting your product, but please be honest mentioning your association with the company ;)

Or like this?Henrihttp://forums.avsim.net/user_files/75986.jpg