Turbo Charging?

[HawkDsl]

Hi All.

 

Just wondering if/how one would go about changing the aircraft over to a B58T. Would it be as simple as changing the aircraft,cfg, or is there more to it?

 

Thanks.

[LHookins]

You'll need at least a new manifold pressure gauge, which can be anywhere from trivial to impossible depending on how the original aircraft is set up. If the gauges are locked away in a DLL file, you have my best wishes.

 

Hook

[Guest RWFeldman]

You'll need at least a new manifold pressure gauge, which can be anywhere from trivial to impossible depending on how the original aircraft is set up. If the gauges are locked away in a DLL file, you have my best wishes.

 

Hook

 

I have modified the MP pressure gauge BMP for the Carenado B58 by just using default PAINT program and FS Panelstudios. Increased the green and red line to 35psi.

[LHookins]

I have modified the MP pressure gauge BMP for the Carenado B58 by just using default PAINT program. Increased the green and red line to 35psi.

 

Great! Did that work without changes to the XML file for the gauge? I'd expect to have to make some changes there to allow the gauge to display values that high, but with an XML file that's not difficult at all.

 

The "trival" case I mentioned above would involve dropping an existing gauge from another aircraft over the default one.

 

Hook

[HawkDsl]

Thanks for the responses! I Dloaded a freeware B58TC from flightsim, and just copy/pasted the engine/prop config's in the Aircraft.cfg over to the Carenado. It works great, and to be honest, didn't pay too much attention to gauges other then the usual Ppitch, head temp, and oil temps. The freeware advertises 275 MPH (238 kts). Not sure what the real B58TC IAS speed gauge reads, but the new settings pegs it right in the middle of the yellow at full throttle below 7000 ft. So maybe two gauges need recal, IAS, and Mp.

[HawkDsl]

XML on the MP gauge:

 

 

<Gauge Name="Manifold" Version="1.0">

<Image Name="Manifold_background.bmp"/>

<Element>

<Position X="149" Y="145"/>

<Image Name="manifold_needle.bmp" PointsTo="East">

<Axis X="0" Y="17"/>

</Image>

<Rotate>

<Value Minimum="0" Maximum="35">(A:ENG1 MANIFOLD PRESSURE,inhg)</Value>

<Nonlinearity>

<Item Value="0" X="61" Y="44"/>

<Item Value="10" X="100" Y="23"/>

<Item Value="20" X="274" Y="77"/>

<Item Value="30" X="238" Y="258"/>

</Nonlinearity>

<Delay DegreesPerSecond="60"/>

</Rotate>

</Element>

 

 

<Element>

<Position X="0" Y="0"/>

<Image Name="Manifold_cover.bmp"/>

</Element>

 

 

 

<Mouse>

 

<Area Left="29" Top="32" Width="246" Height="234">

<Help ID="HELPID_GAUGE_MANIFOLD_PRESSURE_WITH_INHG"/>

<Tooltip ID="TOOLTIPTEXT_MANIFOLD_PRESSURE_INHG" MetricID="TOOLTIPTEXT_MANIFOLD_PRESSURE_PASCAL"/>

</Area>

 

</Mouse>

 

</Gauge>

[Guest RWFeldman]

Actually, turbo charging really on changes climb rate, clm speed and max alt . The max op speeds are for the most part, determined by the airframe capabilities. She will go into overspeed much easier.

[HawkDsl]

Yea, understand airframe limits. she rides on the edge of that, but doesn't OS.

 

 

It's a great ride with the TC... Spoke with a Beech rep in July, and TC is in the near future for the next Barons... Still no pressurization though :(

[raymar]

You'll need at least a new manifold pressure gauge, which can be anywhere from trivial to impossible depending on how the original aircraft is set up. If the gauges are locked away in a DLL file, you have my best wishes.

 

Hook

 

I stretched the range a little on the stock MP gauges and tweaked the cfg file with new horsepower, critical altitude, upped the Max Manifold Pressure and turned on the Turbo switch. It climbs like at elevator now. I started flying around the KJAC area and needed a boost in climb performance.

 

I was just checking the rough climb performance at altitude. How about a 4,000 fpm rate of climb at 9,500 feet @ 120 knots. Now that will get over the mountains in style. (It will not hold this for any sustained period of time, but it is a significant boost in climb performance compared to the stock Baron58)

 

If anyone would like to do something similar to their Baron, just send me a PM and I will tell you how I modified mine to work for me.

 

Ray

[raymar]

Here are the proposed specs and a photo of the new Turbo Baron at Rocket Engineering. Those exhausts just scream look at this new Turbo Baron58. They call it the Cougar for some reason.

You can read a little about it in the Avsim multi-engine review - the first link in my signature.

 

Ray

[HawkDsl]

That Turbine Baron is insane!

[raymar]

Yea, understand airframe limits. she rides on the edge of that, but doesn't OS.

 

 

It's a great ride with the TC... Spoke with a Beech rep in July, and TC is in the near future for the next Barons... Still no pressurization though :(

 

One of the neatest tricks in FSX is the simulated use of Oxygen during the flights. No irritated noses after the flight. Ha.

 

Ray

[HawkDsl]

One of the neatest tricks in FSX is the simulated use of Oxygen during the flights. No irritated noses after the flight. Ha.

 

Ray

 

LOL

[Les Parson]

Studying the B58TC POH, there are a  number of limitations with the TC version  (TSIO-520-WB 325 HP):

 

POWER LIMITATIONS

 

TAKEOFF & MCP -                                       39.5 in. Hg / 2600 RPM

MAXIMUM NORMAL OPERATING POWER - 39.5 in Hg. / 2600 RPM

CRUISE CLIMB POWER -                             36.0 in. Hg / 2400 RPM

MAXIMUM CRUISE POWER -                        33.0 in. Hg / 2400 RPM

 

AIRSPEED LIMITATIONS

 

NEVER EXCEED (VNE)  -                              235 KIAS

MAX STRUCT. CRUISE (VNO) -                    196 KIAS

MAX FLAP EXT (VFE 15 DEG)                     177 KIAS

MAX FLAP EXT (VFE 30 DEG)                     143 KIAS

MAX LDG GEAR EXT (VLE)                          177 KIAS

 

ASI MARKINGS: (ACCORDING TO POH):

 

WHITE ARC  -                                               78-143 KIAS

WHITE TRIANGLE -                                      177 KIAS

BLUE RADIAL -                                             115 KIAS

RED RADIAL -                                                 81 KIAS

GREEN ARC -                                                84-196 KIAS

YELLOW ARC -                                             196-235 KIAS

REDLINE -                                                             235 KIAS

 

There are also Weight and Fuel quantity differences. I imagine making ASI changes is a big job with .bmp changes, or can it all be accomplished by XML gauge changes? 

 

Les Parson

[raymar]

Studying the B58TC POH, there are a  number of limitations with the TC version  (TSIO-520-WB 325 HP):

 

POWER LIMITATIONS

 

TAKEOFF & MCP -                                       39.5 in. Hg / 2600 RPM

MAXIMUM NORMAL OPERATING POWER - 39.5 in Hg. / 2600 RPM

CRUISE CLIMB POWER -                             36.0 in. Hg / 2400 RPM

MAXIMUM CRUISE POWER -                        33.0 in. Hg / 2400 RPM

 

AIRSPEED LIMITATIONS

 

NEVER EXCEED (VNE)  -                              235 KIAS

MAX STRUCT. CRUISE (VNO) -                    196 KIAS

MAX FLAP EXT (VFE 15 DEG)                     177 KIAS

MAX FLAP EXT (VFE 30 DEG)                     143 KIAS

MAX LDG GEAR EXT (VLE)                          177 KIAS

 

ASI MARKINGS: (ACCORDING TO POH):

 

WHITE ARC  -                                               78-143 KIAS

WHITE TRIANGLE -                                      177 KIAS

BLUE RADIAL -                                             115 KIAS

RED RADIAL -                                                 81 KIAS

GREEN ARC -                                                84-196 KIAS

YELLOW ARC -                                             196-235 KIAS

REDLINE -                                                             235 KIAS

 

There are also Weight and Fuel quantity differences. I imagine making ASI changes is a big job with .bmp changes, or can it all be accomplished by XML gauge changes? 

 

Les Parson

 

Les,

 

Actually, updating the AS indicator is a piece of cake.  I have changed several of mine.  I just use a graphics package and redraw the face to match the needle.  Most have an extra 50 kts or so available before pegging out.  I just loaded up the standard Baron and the existing ASI could easily be adapted.  Mostly extend the white line top end and add 15 kts to the Blue radial line and bump up the yellow and red a tad. 

 

You should probably spend some time with the TC modified numbers and verify the sim is somewhat close to those specs above. You may be able to get Bernt Stolle to do a real professional level tweak.

 

Ray