#1. If you are not on 13.4, I strongly reccomend you get on it.

http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/windows/Pages/radeonaiw_win8-64.aspx

 

#2. Download and install RadeonPro. It is ATI's nVidia Inspector app...

http://www.radeonpro.info/

 

#3. Set CCC to defauls and then Set up Radeonpro how I have here.

http://forum.avsim.net/topic/404430-optimal-settings-for-ati-users-with-fsx-great-results/?p=2656246

Post #108. Only differences are you DO have to enable AA in FSX in DX10. nVidia and ATI users alike. No matter what you do, you will NOT have AA in DX10 unless it is first enabled in FSX when running DX10. In DX9 mode, for ATI users it MUST be off in FSX or it conflicts with ATI's AA system when you OVERRIDE AA in either CCC or RadeonPro. But I know for a fact in DX10, vsync will not work forced from CCC or the vsync line added to fsx.cfg. It must be forced how I show in my screenshots in the 3rd link here within RadeonPro.

 

Good luck if you "try it". I see no reason why it should not work on a 5870 provided you use DX10 in FSX, Enable AA and Ansio in FSX and set up exactly how I have. Unless the 5870 is just a wierd card. In which case we will be able to determine my method is only usefull to HD 6000 and 7000 series cards. Which have been out for 3 years. I tested on 6950, 7950 and 7970.

 

C.

 

 

 

Thanks i will test this later - but can you tell me what i will gain having RadeonPro manage AA externally?

 

So ForcewindowedVsync=1 does not work in DX 10 ? btw

 

Michael Moe 

Thanks i will test this later - but can you tell me what i will gain having RadeonPro manage AA externally?

 

So ForcewindowedVsync=1 does not work in DX 10 ? btw

 

Michael Moe 

 

The benefit is not so much managing AA externally via Radeonpro, it is more about profile based management of settings on a per app basis and some performance benefits I see when I use it for vsync. Regarding MSAA, SSAA and AF, you can already do most of that with CCC. The story is the same for nVidia Inspector. Everyone uses it even through most of it you can do with just nVidia's settings console as there are some additional features or benefits.

 

What RadeonPro adds beyond just CCC:

 

- Multiple types of Vsync and DFC. Dynamic Framerate Control combined with Always On Vsync. Comparing locked at 30 in FSX with vsync and no DFC, and usig unlimited in FSX and setting DFC to 30 I see an average +5 fps buzzing around CYVR in the C337 with some decent cloud coverage above. Not sure what DFC does to make that happen but there it is. Since I will NEVER fly without vsync, why not. 

 

- The ability to enable Direct X tripple buffer in DX10 (not sure what that helps personally). Won't work in DX9 FSX though.

- The ability to combine FXAA with standard MSAA or SSAA if you wanted. Optional. I'm still experimenting.

- An onscreen display you can turn on or off showing GPU tempurature, % of GPU Utilization, VRAM in use, fps and so on.

 

Vsync in DX10:

 

I tested DX10 vsync forcing one more time last night and I cannot force vsync in FSX Windowed OR Fullscreen via either the FSX.CFG lines or the CCC. Seems you do in fact need RadeonPro to get vSync to work. With RadeonPro vsync works in DX10 fullscreen but not windowed. But not sure why people fly windowed.

 

C.

 

Vsync in DX10:

 

I tested DX10 vsync forcing one more time last night and I cannot force vsync in FSX Windowed OR Fullscreen via either the FSX.CFG lines or the CCC. Seems you do in fact need RadeonPro to get vSync to work. With RadeonPro vsync works in DX10 fullscreen but not windowed. But not sure why people fly windowed.

 

C.

 

 

Thanks,

 

I fly windowed because i have undocked PFD/ND to a second monitor and a third FMC undocked via VRinsight CDUII.

 

Seems i will stay with my setup for know.

 

The image quality boost from the other thread regarding improving FSX in Windows makes me not missing ENB that much.

 

AA inside enabled in FSX and DX10 enabled and edge in CCC is very nice btw

 

Michael moe 

Thanks,

 

I fly windowed because i have undocked PFD/ND to a second monitor and a third FMC undocked via VRinsight CDUII.

 

Seems i will stay with my setup for know.

 

The image quality boost from the other thread regarding improving FSX in Windows makes me not missing ENB that much.

 

AA inside enabled in FSX and DX10 enabled and edge in CCC is very nice btw

 

Michael moe

 

OK I understand now. Nope. I'm a full screen guy and I fly singles and light twins with TrackIR. Definitely different needs and I understand we all have a different mission profile. Thanks for the reply.

 

Edge detect multiplies samples by 3. 4xAA + Edge detect = 12xAA.

 

If its working for you, that's fantastic. 12xAA is up there!

 

C.

Edge detect multiplies samples by 3. 4xAA + Edge detect = 12xAA.

 

If its working for you, that's fantastic. 12xAA is up there!

 

C.

 

 

 

Well i did not know that :-) i have always used edge detection. In FSDT CYVR or KJFK i am in low-mid 20´s up and running with the NGX in DX10 which is pretty smooth. Do thinking of upgrading to a HD7970 3GB as TML is 1024 at the moment.

 

Thanks

 

Michael Moe 

Hi All,

 

Sadly no luck, exactly the same results using RadeonPro as when using CCC - It's almost like it gets to a certain level of AA set by FSX and the external programs are incapable of affecting it at all.

 

No matter what settings I set on the GFX card, the AA in game always looks the same :( - Its a shame because its so much smoother, but the cockpits look crap!

What video card driver version are you on? Crappy cockpit means not supersampled. Its not about level of AA.

 

DX10 default AA is 4x. Without super sample the gauges will look terrible. Did you select supersample in the video card driver and AA is set to ON in fsx? Multi sample or adaptive won't be enough. Has to be super sample.

 

C.

AA is on - I've literally just upgraded GFX drivers to the latest so about to restart. Your right it does seem that FSX is just ignoring my supersampling settings and I can't figure out how to force them.

AA is on - I've literally just upgraded GFX drivers to the latest so about to restart. Your right it does seem that FSX is just ignoring my supersampling settings and I can't figure out how to force them.

If radeonpro or CCC are set to super sample and you are dx10, the gauges should clear right up. Hopefully latest driver will help. Please let me know.

 

Also.... The driver (Radeonpro or CCC) AA must be set to application controlled as well with AA on in FSX. Double check your fsx.cfg area that Antialiasing=1 or whatever that setting is.

 

Steve has a 7750 and I just checked. Its basebased off the new 7900 tech. So yours is older. Hope AA in DX10 is not limited to 6950 and up.

http://stevesfsxanalysis.wordpress.com/2012/07/17/dx9-antialiasing/

 

C.

Hi,

 

Definately on, I've restarted and tested again and whilst it looks a little better, still nowhere near shimmer free. The edges of dials seem like they are twinkling and flat panel cockpits are pretty much unreadable :(

 

I have AA set to use application settings and AA method set to supersampling.

 

Not sure what to do :(

Hi,

 

Definately on, I've restarted and tested again and whilst it looks a little better, still nowhere near shimmer free. The edges of dials seem like they are twinkling and flat panel cockpits are pretty much unreadable :(

 

I have AA set to use application settings and AA method set to supersampling.

 

Not sure what to do :(

You don't have MLAA (morphalogic AA) enabled right? That makes edges crawl and wiggle. Same with adaptive. Are you full screen or windowed?

 

I still wonder if the AA switch is enabled in you cfg. I've heard where the cfg did not match the setting used in fsx.

 

Really wish a stroke of brilliance would flash across my brain on this. Its frustrating.

 

C.

Aha yes the stroke of brilliance has been eluding me too! I checked the CFG and it does definately say 'Antialias=1' - I usually use windowed however have tried full screen and same problem there too.

Hmmm... I'm starting to get a picture that the GPU is not physically able to do super sample in DX10. It is the same GPU as the 5000 series and I am not convinced they can either. Sort of like how nvidia GPUs from a few years ago don't do transparency AA through NI.

 

Almost like HD69XX and up only. sorry man. But if you figure it out, please let us know. Its important to know which cards can and can't.

 

C.

At this point I'm inclined to agree. I've sat testing this all morning and can't get SSAA to work at all under any combination of settings. The odd thing is I'm able to use it perfectly on DX10/11 games!

At this point I'm inclined to agree. I've sat testing this all morning and can't get SSAA to work at all under any combination of settings. The odd thing is I'm able to use it perfectly on DX10/11 games!

 

So strange. Here is my shots from DX10 the first night without DFC limiting 30 fps as a test. Don't know in your case how to pin this down...

 

Click these for full screen. I believe these are simply DX10 AA basic with SS forced in RadeonPro.