Hee hee.. just causing trouble.I was searching for AMD vs. Athlon and found this old thread:http://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=sho...ing_type=searchAnd the originalhttp://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=sho...ing_type=searchAnd feel, given the 747 simulator contest, it takes on new meaning...FS skills are about to be tested in the "real world" or at least a pretty good facsimile. It's interesting that the thread was moved, because I believe its intent was to ask if your FS skills gave you enough confidence to believe you could land an airliner if the pilots got drunk or something (legal in Pennsylvania...).So - could you do it? Maybe the question's been beaten to death, but I think that with this absolutely incredible opportunity in the 747 sim we might get an answer or two ;)BTW I dreamed I won the contest last night. Except in the dream, one of the "regular" pilots was there, watching.. complaining he had to go through extensive training to get to that point, and, disgrutled, let his friendly little Jack Russell Terrier climb around in the cabin. The instructor said "You have to learn to deal with distractions" (something my real-life instructor said often) and then the dog peed on the FMS, to which a laugh track was triggered. The copilot (fully uniformed) said you have to have a sense of humor, and soaked up the pee with his instrument charts... Odd... Anyhoo..My feeling is that as long as you could a) get the autopilot going, and :( get some help on the radio, you'd be in pretty good shape if you were an experienced simmer.Just saying.Andrew

>My feeling is that as long as you could a) get the autopilot>going, and :( get some help on the radio, you'd be in pretty>good shape if you were an experienced simmer.>If you didn't roll over & die first....L.Adamson

I might be able to do what is nowdays refferred to as a "hard landing." The term seems to allow a great deal of leaway!David

So long as the destination allowed for autoland conditions and I had no reason to touch the yoke / sidestick-I really think I could.Got PPL/MEP/IMC so not a complete novice.

I think ''Most'' airline companies would rather have one of ''us'' at the controls than a baggage handler if push came to shuv in an emergency, after all, it's been done before hasn't itSteve.

I could do it.... No Problem !See Attachment....Bob (Lecanto, Fl)

Never in a million years guys.....XP Home SP1Asus P4P800-SE Intel 3.0GHZDDR 400 D/C 2x512MBGeForce FX 5700 256MB (56.72)SB AudigyMSFF2 & X45 throttleSee you in the fence...CYYZ

LoL, toys R us, love it,Steve

I doubt anyone could if they have been using a twist joystick. I used one for years and thought I was a pretty competent sim pilot until I got a set of rudder pedals! Talk about an eye opening experience. Dashed my delusion that I could land anything safely, let alone a heavy. *:-*

I also used to be a bit cocky about my ability to do so until my first attempt to land the 737 using the Edimensional 3D glasses. The added stereo depth plus the perceived effect of 'terrain rushing up to meet you' upon landing was enough to throw me off the first time. A couple more times and I had it, but in a real life emergency there would be only one chance. I have also had the CH yoke and pedals for about a month, and once again I have had to re-learn everthing. My limited real life flight experience includes flying a Cessna once around Mt. Ranier, and a Yak around Oahu. I must say that the Pedals and Yoke really add to the realism, and I think I am far better prepared for real flight.John M.

Sure, no problem, piece of cake!!, Ted Striker (aka Tim)"Can you fly this plane, and land it?" "Surely you can't be serious." "I am serious. And stop calling me Shirley.""Nervous?" "A little." "First time?" "No, I've been nervous lots of times." http://www.fssupport.com/maam_sim/maamsim_logo.gif

I'm a sim tech with Flightsafety Int. and I've flown approx 15 or so different types of level D sims. Everything from the 777 to metroliners to Bell helicopters.My experience with novice friends in the sim is this.... IF you could get the radio tuned and could communicate and IF there weren't any problems with the aircraft and IF the weather was good then the average Joe/Jane flight simmer could probably get it down. The key would be having someone talk them down. Without it.... everyone dies.The exception would be helo's. Nobody, no matter how many hours of MSFS flight sim time is going to land a helicopter. I worked at the Bell Helicopter FSI site and flew the Bell 212, 412, 430 and 222 sims. I've never seen anyone who wasn't an experienced helo pilot land the sim. As sim tech's we spent hours learning to fly the sim and became quite accomplished and good at it...... but it took many hours in a Level C and D sim.Just my thoughts:) Dave

>shuv in an emergency, after all, it's been done before hasn't>it>Steve.I don't think so - except in the movies. :)I think you have a point though, that if for some reason the piolts "left" the airpolane, and there were no other pilots onboard as passengers, then you might as well as take a chance with the guy sitting in 32A...Back in college, when we were taking calculus, our teacher was presenting some problems to us in an attempt to get us to think in more abstract terms. One of the problems seemed to be an arithmatic problem, but was actually a logic problem that none of us got the first time. The logic was that the original question had a fundamental flaw in it from the start. This question is the same. Why are there no pilots on your airplane all of a sudden? This is not going to happen anytime soon.A better question would be "could you land a C152 in an emergency?". There is probably a greater chance of your buddy taking you up for a joyride and having a heart attack (or whatever), than there is of TWO airline pilots suddenly becoming incapacitated.- Martin

A question asked many many times.The answer? It depends to ones' confidense and how serious he/she is using the simulator.I think I would be able to land it, even if no autoland is provided, BUT only if the aircraft was in flyable normal condition. I haven't tried any serious not-normal situations in the simulator yet.As long as the aircraft functions properly I beleive that any serious flight simmer could easily land it. Of course it would take a few moments to get oriented, get the feeling of the a/c, but then it will come out naturally. Even more if you have used a sophisticated add-on like the PIC767, PSS320, DF734 or the PMDG 737NG.In fact, I found it much easier to hand fly an approach and landing on a 737-200 simulator than in FS !!!! (I only had the chance once and it wasthe experience of a lifetime!)George DorkofikisAthens, Greecehttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/betaimg.jpg

GeorgeWe had this thread before :-) There is a big difference from being in a sim or behind the screen at home and being faced with a real world situation.Being in a sim means you can walk away, get a cup of coffee, no one gets hurt.Reality would mean the aircraft would probably be up at FL370, maybe at night with weather, turbulence etc.Add to this the immence fear factor, responsability, confusion, hysterical passengers and my guess is unlikely.We have two parts of our brain which come into play. Retentive memory and a smaller portion which deals with as it happens situations.Pilots are trained on an aircraft till they know the systems, aircraft handling back to front ie the majority of the information is contained in the retentive portion of the Brain leaving the active portion of the brain to deal with the "extras".The problem occurs when the active part of the brain becomes overloaded with fear and too much information and typically shuts down.Typically known as freezing. Then simple calculations and descisions become impossible,information no longer registers, the person gets a fixed blank stare.I have seen this in overloaded trained pilots who normally function well but when overloaded no longer manage to do simple tasks.The more information and experience there is in the retentive portion of the brain the less likely that the active portion becomes overloaded.My guess is that yes in a safe invironment with no stress factors a competant sim pilot may pull it off but real world the poor Sod would freeze and not even be able to tell you his name and into this would also be the personality type.It would take a very special character to succeed.Peter