February 10, 201412 yr You certainly have to fly the Dash differently to other airliners but to make these claims that it's unrealistic and with poor handling (when the truth is that the people in question just haven't learned the skills and techniques to use it properly yet), is unfair IMHO. It is one of the most realistic handling airliners out there - if you can't handle it and want to fly something easy, then that's your prerogative - buy the Aerosoft Airbus X Extended :wink: Marka - Definitely something wrong with your visuals, I'd suggest. The VC textures are at least on a par with my PMDG aircrafts. I'd say crisper and more textural than the PMDG 777. At least that's what I'm seeing.
February 10, 201412 yr And for those of you who find landing a bit tricky, then over on the majestic forum, a real world dash pilot has given you some great tips... http://majesticsoftware.com/mjc8q400/support.html 10 -0 FT AGL ‘FLARE’ and TOUCHDOWN •I initiate the flare at or just before the 10 FT call, with a small pitch change, increasing to 5 DEG nose up, and use power (i.e. leave the power set, or even add power) to arrest the sink rate. •In a crosswind landing, I remove the crab at about 30 FT and never take the power off. I should also add... there's a guy on the Majestic forum who has developed an autotrim script for the rudder. Should overcome the less than effective yaw damper in the dash.
February 10, 201412 yr I don't have this simulated aircraft. However, everytime I read about "air" as being an unstable medium.........as a reason for continual roll & pitch movements, I'll certainly disagree. And this applies to this plane, as well as a lot of video I see for X-Plane, etc. I watched an X-Plane video the other day, in which the large twin turbo prop was constantly "bobbing" as if in a small ocean wave. Air isn't like that, unless it's just plain turbulence. As a pilot, I flew many early morning & evening flights, in which the air is very calm. It truely is a sensation, of almost no sensation of movement. There is little to no roll and pitch. The ground just seems to slowly pass underneath, including my GA airplane that was capable of 200 mph. Depending on the time of the year, and time of the day, turbulence can always be expected to pick up, especially with warmer months. But to come to the assumption that pilots are always correcting for continual movements...........is a bunch of baloney.
February 10, 201412 yr I don't have this simulated aircraft. However, everytime I read about "air" as being an unstable medium.........as a reason for continual roll & pitch movements, I'll certainly disagree. And this applies to this plane, as well as a lot of video I see for X-Plane, etc. I watched an X-Plane video the other day, in which the large twin turbo prop was constantly "bobbing" as if in a small ocean wave. Air isn't like that, unless it's just plain turbulence. As a pilot, I flew many early morning & evening flights, in which the air is very calm. It truely is a sensation, of almost no sensation of movement. There is little to no roll and pitch. The ground just seems to slowly pass underneath, including my GA airplane that was capable of 200 mph. Depending on the time of the year, and time of the day, turbulence can always be expected to pick up, especially with warmer months. But to come to the assumption that pilots are always correcting for continual movements...........is a bunch of baloney. That wasn't the original argument with this aircraft to my knowledge. Since I don't have the aircraft either yet, I understand second-hand that the original issue was that some people noticed that the aircraft was "on rails" even though the air around them was "turbulent". In other words, the completely external FDE wasn't interacting with the sim's weather in the right way, and they, Majestic, acknowledged this issue as valid. I've been following the updates, and in the latest patch, this interaction with the weather environment has supposedly been fixed. So if the sim's conditions are choppy, then the plane should react in a more believable fashion now. I don't think the original complaint had anything to do with how the aircraft behaved in clean air, or that people were under the impression the plane should be bouncing around in such conditions. At least that's the way I understood the issue from reading the comments.
February 10, 201412 yr I disabled the propwash and the plane behaves a bit more normally. Still it reminds me of a Scheibe SF-25C Falke in a gusty day. Sure I can handle her, but would the pampered airline pilots fly such a beast, I doubt.
February 10, 201412 yr I disabled the propwash and the plane behaves a bit more normally. Still it reminds me of a Scheibe SF-25C Falke in a gusty day. Sure I can handle her, but would the pampered airline pilots fly such a beast, I doubt. I thought the majority verdict was that the propwash was completely authentic. No?
February 10, 201412 yr I think we can agree it exists, but the sim and real world are different worlds.
February 10, 201412 yr You are being unrealistic. With prop wash off the Dash is stable when the weather is stable, when the weather isn't the Dash isn't. If its the way the weather effects the Dash you don't like, then Majestic have been kind enough in the last patch to provide you with a turbulence scalar. Again its in the ini file, set it as you wish. It baffles me how with prop wash off you can still regard the Dash as unstable.
February 10, 201412 yr Thanks for the tip. Speaking of turbulence in higher speeds, it feels like something hitting or hammering the aircraft not like it would stall in next moment.
February 10, 201412 yr She needs a lot of rudder input to counteract prop wash and you have to relearn how to land because changes in power vary lift a lot. Thank you, very helpful information. Landing the Dash is easy. One of the easiest out there to land in the sim. The trick though is to KEEP POWER ON, or nudge it back just a tad. Do not reduce power in the flare prior to landing. This is how they land the Dash in the real world. If you bring the power levers back to idle, the huge amount of drag from those massive prop discs will make you sink like a stone. Another very useful tip, much appreciated. And for those of you who find landing a bit tricky, then over on the majestic forum, a real world dash pilot has given you some great tips... http://majesticsoftware.com/mjc8q400/support.html I should also add... there's a guy on the Majestic forum who has developed an autotrim script for the rudder. Should overcome the less than effective yaw damper in the dash. Excellent link! Just what I need. If its the way the weather effects the Dash you don't like, then Majestic have been kind enough in the last patch to provide you with a turbulence scalar. Again its in the ini file, set it as you wish. It baffles me how with prop wash off you can still regard the Dash as unstable. Could I get more info on the Turbulence scalar ... I'd actually like to see a little more turbulence. I'm running AccuFeel 2.0 but as I understand it it doesn't impact Q400 so I'm not getting the "feel" from AccuFeel. Great thread. I purchased this aircraft on release day but I'm only now coming around to using it more ... what a wonderful aircraft. Cheers, Rob.
February 11, 201412 yr Could I get more info on the Turbulence scalar ... I'd actually like to see a little more turbulence. I'm running AccuFeel 2.0 but as I understand it it doesn't impact Q400 so I'm not getting the "feel" from AccuFeel. Most people are using either 0.75 or 0.5 for the scalar Rob. But yes, it is a scalar, so as long as majestic have enabled such a thing in their software, then you should be able to increase the scalar above the default. According to the Majestic forum, AccuFeel kind of works for some, but not in the usual way. As I'm sure you know, Majestic coded the flight dynamics with NASA software, so probably why AccuFeel isn't working normally. The Majestic forum is the place for more info. http://majesticsoftware.com/forums/ I thought the majority verdict was that the propwash was completely authentic. No? It probably is, it was genuinely tested by real world Dash pilots. I have prop wash off, because I use a joystick, having to twist my joystick more than I would for other aircraft isn't that convenient. I would imagine in the real aircraft, or in the sim with a yoke and pedals, it's not a problem so much. The Dash is well known for having a pretty much useless yaw damper, and for exhibiting the prop wash effect. The Dornier 328 gets around the prop wash issue by employing full rudder auto trim.
February 11, 201412 yr Thanks for the tip. Speaking of turbulence in higher speeds, it feels like something hitting or hammering the aircraft not like it would stall in next moment. The following video will give you an idea of how much the dash jumps around. Quite a bit of bank and pitch movement in a cross wind.
February 11, 201412 yr Hey this is exactly what my Q400 looks like, except that I fly in calm weather...Did you notice how the pilot is continually making small corrections, expecially to the roll? I reiterate what I said before: this simulation is in serious need of an operations manual (the systems manual is NOT an operations manual). Yes I did read the thread about landing, and it is helpful, but not detailed enough. There are dozens of Youtube videos showing landings, most with the help of the autopilot, but none of them tell me what I want to know, which is a specific step-by-step procedure for hand-landing. Henri Arsenault
February 11, 201412 yr I noticed how small the corrections were. You could see the tip of the yoke moving quite little after all. I´ve been a passenger in four DASH 8 flights and the experience was quite the same as in other similar planes (F50 and ATR72). Yet in the sim I have had to apply heavy corrections and the imagined passenger would have had a rough ride... I cannot find the turbulence scalar and I have no invitation to the majestic forum?
February 11, 201412 yr Hey this is exactly what my Q400 looks like, except that I fly in calm weather...Did you notice how the pilot is continually making small corrections, expecially to the roll? I reiterate what I said before: this simulation is in serious need of an operations manual (the systems manual is NOT an operations manual). Yes I did read the thread about landing, and it is helpful, but not detailed enough. There are dozens of Youtube videos showing landings, most with the help of the autopilot, but none of them tell me what I want to know, which is a specific step-by-step procedure for hand-landing. Well if that's what it's like for you in calm weather, then something is seriously amiss. I flew into Cork today, their was a thunderstorm in the vicinity, it was spot on to the video, in similar turbulent conditions. If you see that in clam weather, something is wrong. How do you know it's calm weather with zero turbulence? Which weather add-on are you using? If FSX weather, have you set FSX to clear all weather? Have you set a calm weather theme? You say a step by step procedure for hand landings, do you mean a tutorial? Nurmblitz, on 11 Feb 2014 - 5:15 PM, said:I noticed how small the corrections were. You could see the tip of the yoke moving quite little after all. I´ve been a passenger in four DASH 8 flights and the experience was quite the same as in other similar planes (F50 and ATR72). Yet in the sim I have had to apply heavy corrections and the imagined passenger would have had a rough ride... I cannot find the turbulence scalar and I have no invitation to the majestic forum? What do you mean "no invitation to the forum" you have to register, like with any forum. You only have to apply heavy corrections in rough weather, I never have to in calm weather. Are you using the latest fully patched version? The turbulence scalar is in the ini file. in the [FLIGHTCONTROLS] section... ELEVATOR_EFFECTIVENESS =0.4 AILERONS_EFFECTIVENESS =0.5 RUDDERS_EFFECTIVENESS =0.5 PEDALS_STEERING_EFFECTIVENESS = 0.5 TURBULENCE_FACTOR=0.75 If you can't find it, it may be because you haven't installed the latest hotfix.
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