All right, hotfix installed, turbulence scalar adjusted - the plane is now flyable by hand. It´s not a PMDG J41 or Aerosoft Twotter like, but flyable. Still a bit kite-like, but acceptable.

 

Thank you for your help. It wasn´t just ready out of the box and the hype around it made me expect maybe too much. Happy flights!

It´s not a PMDG J41 or Aerosoft Twotter like

No, it's superior.

 

Tested by real world Dash pilots and coded with NASA software.

 

Sorry, but you have an unrealistic opinion of what flying a real turboprop is like.

 

To be honest, to refer to the majestic dash Q400 as just "flyable" and "kite like", is contrary to the opinion of experienced simmers and real world pilots alike. There is absolutely no way, an experienced and highly regarded developer like majestic, would palm you off with a mediocre, kite like flight model.

 

If you clear all weather [just as a test] and fly without the ASN weather variable, you will find that without the [realistic] prop wash effect it fly's very similar to any other realistic FSX add-on. It's the capability's of ASN to deliver weather like we have never seen before in FSX that you're unaccustomed to.

In my personal opinion, the prop wash effect, is what pushes the Q400 past the competition. Granted it is difficult to fly without a yoke/rudder pedal setup. Lots of fun, no less.

Cheers, C.

Is this "prop wash" effect, just the need to apply rudder on takeoff, and the fact that the yaw damper doesn't have enough effect to control dutch roll, as well as the need to being extra active with the foot when making throttle changes? I'm mostly going by actual pilot reports here.

 

 

 

Did they take care of the "roll" and need for aileron trim, that was exagerated, like the "torque bug" that's present in numerous X-Plane models? Just wondering, since "prop wash" is mentioned a lot, and I haven't read the full few years of postings.

 

 

 

I do agree with all thoughts, that rudder pedals are quite assential for the "feel" of it all.

P.S. --- spell checker is not working. I think I have a few spelling mistakes... Drives me crazy.

So where are ASN users putting the Dash's Turbulence Scalar at for best realism? Any guidance on that?

I scaled it down to 0.50, but obviously I represent a minority here. Even now the AP fights to keep the plane steady. Quite steep banking during level flight considering passenger comfort. With propwash it was like Messerschmitt Bf109 in take off and flew like a flak ridden fighter.

I set the rudder trim about 12 right for take off, back it off to 8 right in the climb, then 2-3 right in cruise (which then levels the wings with the AP on) and back to basically zero on descent. I've never used the aileron trim. Sure, it's a bit twitchy. But not excessively so. Landings are WIP because I over-flare and reduce too much power - driver error, not a faulty model. Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but it doesn't seem unflyable. I have pedals and I have no doubt they help enormously.

I scaled it down to 0.50, but obviously I represent a minority here. Even now the AP fights to keep the plane steady. Quite steep banking during level flight considering passenger comfort. With propwash it was like Messerschmitt Bf109 in take off and flew like a flak ridden fighter.

 

"Fights to keep the plane steady when?

 

In clear weather? Or with ASN?

 

Don't forget, even if it looks like the weather is clear, ASN can still generate turbulence.

 

You can't blame the flight model for being unstable, unless you have tested it with zero weather. All weather cleared, no ASN. In addition, HiFi [iIRC] have stated that the turbulence modelling may be a tad over the top.

 

I posted a Youtube video previously, in the same sort of weather I see an identical response as per the real aircraft. In clear weather I experience stability.To be honest, if you don't it sounds like something is wrong with your set up.

 

It might be possible for you to look at the video I posted, make a note of the place, date, and time, and set the historical weather in ASN, and see for yourself.

So where are ASN users putting the Dash's Turbulence Scalar at for best realism? Any guidance on that?

 

 

0.5 for turbulence is a perfectly reasonable setting.

 

When Majestic first coded the turbulence, many thought it was a bit over the top. Consequently the scalar was provided. The default is 0.75, rather than 1.0.so it seems majestic were in agreement and knocked it back somewhat. However, many are using 0.5.

 

So it's up to you. 

Is this "prop wash" effect, just the need to apply rudder on takeoff, and the fact that the yaw damper doesn't have enough effect to control dutch roll, as well as the need to being extra active with the foot when making throttle changes? I'm mostly going by actual pilot reports here.

 

 

 

Did they take care of the "roll" and need for aileron trim, that was exagerated, like the "torque bug" that's present in numerous X-Plane models? Just wondering, since "prop wash" is mentioned a lot, and I haven't read the full few years of postings.

 

 

 

I do agree with all thoughts, that rudder pedals are quite assential for the "feel" of it all.

P.S. --- spell checker is not working. I think I have a few spelling mistakes... Drives me crazy.

 

 

No aileron trim required, however a tweak of the rudder in flight is required, unless prop wash is turned off. As per the real aircraft.

 

The Majestic forum is a great place for more informed replies. 

 

http://majesticsoftware.com/mjc8q400/support.html

If anyone would like an auto rudder trim script to try, instead of turning off prop wash, then check out below...

 

http://majesticsoftware.com/mjc8q400/support.html

 

I haven't tested it myself.

I would like to enjoy it. Since day one it will not sit still long enough to use it. Continuos bouncing issue. I am very dissappointed, no upset that all I have is dancing, pirouetting, cartwheeling, spinning unusable product. And now up tp pact 9 and stil can not even use this addon.

Have you spoken to the guys at the Majestic forum? I'm sure they can help you.

New to the Dash 8 as of a week ago, and have bonded with the plane intensely. Thought I'd add my 2 cents to the mix.

 

So where are ASN users putting the Dash's Turbulence Scalar at for best realism? Any guidance on that?

 

I'm keeping it at 1. I like the turbulence action very much, it seems to coincide with ASN well, and only happens during portions of flight that go over cells. I may have to agree about earlier points made about the radar not matching up with storm cells. There doesn't seem to be consistency, but I still enjoy using the radar. 

 

I would like to enjoy it. Since day one it will not sit still long enough to use it. Continuos bouncing issue. I am very dissappointed, no upset that all I have is dancing, pirouetting, cartwheeling, spinning unusable product. And now up tp pact 9 and stil can not even use this addon.

 

To the people saying it's unstable, just watch this video, and listen to the ATC announce winds... 270@14kts, a medium crosswind, nothing special. and look how the Dash-8 wobbles through the air. 

 

 

To me it seems like the dynamic modes and oscillations are being simulated realistically. It's hard to compensate for yaw or prop wash with the rudder only if you are out-of-trim. The trim on this plane is simulated to mimic input resistance by limiting the travel/effectiveness of controls that are out-of-trim. Meaning an out-of-trim elevator could drive you straight into the earth with full back pressure applied. And an out-of-trim rudder will put you in the grass almost guaranteed. It's a small criticism I have (since, afterall, in my imagination I am Superman and could overpower any out-of-trim control surface, right? yeah, yeah sure) but due to the limitation of hardware (you'd need ffb to simulate those forces) Majestic took a different route. The point of the design was to force users into proper trimming, because really none of us is Superman and an out-of-trim airplane can be deadly. This isn't a bird you can leave untrimmed, rudder included. And don't forget it has a giant @&! rudder. I respect the choice Majestic made. If you learn to fly this right, I'm convinced you'd be far less likely to crash an actual Dash 8, given the chance to fly one. 

 

Anyway, it's the best plane I purchased in a long while, I should have done it sooner.  

 

 

For those who dislike the prop wash effect, and complain about instability.

Just go to FSX, Simobjects Airplanes mjc8q400 ini ...

 

Agreed Martin, I have done that and it is much better. Now is there any way of turning off the icing effects? I find that by the time I've realised that ice is forming it is way too late and even though I switch on all the de-ice stuff I end up losing the bird! The company and their insurers aren't amused!

 

Seriously though, is there any way of modifying this? If not how does everyone deal with it? De-icing on all the time or what?

 

Iain Smith

 

 

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You cannot register to the forums without some "invitation code". The Justflight installation code does not do the trick.


Not true!

 

It is true! I've just tried to register with my Just Flight order number and again with another Just Flight reference number. Both times the invitation code was not valid. What is all this about anyway? I've never had to be "invited" to any of the many forums with which I'm registered!!?

 

Iain Smith

 

Seriously though, is there any way of modifying this? If not how does everyone deal with it? De-icing on all the time or what?

 

i just pay attention, and if the ice detected warning comes on, i turn on the anti-ice. as long as you hit it within several minutes or so it works great.

 

if you're flying unattended for long periods and/or where you think you might hit stormy weather, i suppose leaving it on is a reasonable choice.

 

although i must admit i don't really understand your approach of wanting to modify or remove features in the plane in the first place.. for me the reason i spent $$$ on it is to get all that extra stuff from the flight model like propwash and so forth!  hehe

 

cheers!

-andy crosby

It is true! I've just tried to register with my Just Flight order number and again with another Just Flight reference number. Both times the invitation code was not valid.

I'm a moderator on the Just Flight forum, and I've not had any difficulty.

 

Register where? You did purchase from Just flight, right?

 

There's the public forum, here...

 

http://forum.justflight.com/

 

And the support area here...

 

http://www.justflight.com/support

 

 

For the complete product, go to the Just flight My Account page. Log in with your log in details set up upon purchase. Click "Your Orders". Download the patched version from the link at the top. Enter your order number to activate. This may be the latest 1.010 version, you will have to check.

 

Or you can get the 1.010 patch here...

 

http://majesticsoftware.com/mjc8q400/support.html

 

Enter the user area, and enter your order number and email address.

 

Is that what you were doing?