A Pmdg computer

[13ifs40 3]

HI all

 

I need some serious advice for a new computer.   I am going to get a new computer however I am lost on what I should get.

All I am going to have on this new system is FSX Deluxe gold addition running the PMDG queen, 777 and the new Aerosoft EGLL

scenery and that is it.   I never have a chance to fly a lot, Lucky if I get 1 flight a week in so I don't need the super duper machine I am

sure some here run.   Also the new build idea is not happening, I have not got the real time or the computer smarts to do it and a lot of the things I read on this forum regarding gaming computers is like a foreign language to me  (yes I am a certified computer moron).

 

So I would love if people out there would give me advice on what to get.

all I really want is a great sim experience when I fly and the computer to last at least 4 years or more.

I don't plan on getting anything else for the sim, in my limited flying per month I am happy with the default scenery and traffic

as well as the weather.

 

I want to thank all of you in advance for any of the advice.   I figure you folks are the serious simmers so you would know what would fit me.

 

 

Ian Snow

 

 

[ruemenapp21 108]

http://precisionmanuals.com/pages/product/ngx8900.html

 

Build one off of their recommended specs. I did that and get about 30fps locked at 30 in most situations. With very good settings most of the stuff is to the right, but not all the way. 

 

Companies can build you one, like Ibuypower

[snowingairlines 20]

What is your budget?

[13ifs40 3]

HI all

 

  I am looking between 1,000 to 2,000 depending on the bills in the next few months

 

 

 

13ifs40

[snowingairlines 20]

Here is what I would recommend:

 

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

 

CPU:  Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($279.99 @ Microcenter) 

CPU Cooler:  Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($99.99 @ Amazon) 

Motherboard:  Asus Z87-PRO ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($177.99 @ SuperBiiz) 

Memory:  Kingston Black 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($58.99 @ Newegg) 

Storage:  Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk  ($94.99 @ NCIX US) 

Storage:  Corsair Force Series GS 360GB 2.5" Solid State Disk  ($292.99 @ Amazon) 

Video Card:  MSI GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card  ($399.99 @ Amazon) 

Case:  NZXT Phantom 410 (Red) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($89.99 @ Newegg) 

Power Supply:  Corsair CX 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply  ($74.99 @ Microcenter) 

Optical Drive:  LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer  ($15.99 @ Microcenter) 

Operating System:  Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit)  ($89.98 @ Outlet PC) 

Total: $1675.88

(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-02 10:50 EDT-0400)

 

I can explain any part choices if you have any questions. Also, if you do not like the idea of building your own computer, take the parts to your local computer store, and have them build it and over clock it.

[AlphaDawg141 1]

You might want to get the Phantom 820, as I don't believe the h100i will fit in it. Many people can't get it in. Other than that, the above comment is perfect and I want it btw I have the Phantom 410 and h80i and it was tricky to put in. If you're having someone else build it such as cyberpowerpc then by all means use the phantom 410 and h100i. Be sure to have it overclocked too. Fs loves the clock speeds and strong cores. Hyper threading will not help at all for fs

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[zmak 268]

These guys make Gaming specific Mobos. The maximus VI is worth a look 

http://www.asus.com/ROG_ROG/Motherboards_Products/

 

[13ifs40 3]

good morning

 

   ok thanks for that great list.      I will run this by the finance department (my wife) and see what I can do

 

 

 

 

13ifs40

 

 

[Boomer 1,440]

 

 

CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($279.99 @ Microcenter)

 

Submit that you should instead look at the i5 4770K, an over-clockable non-hyper threading CPU.  FSX makes no use of HT.

[snowingairlines 20]

 

 

Submit that you should instead look at the i5 4770K, an over-clockable non-hyper threading CPU.  FSX makes no use of HT.

Sometimes the i7 clocks higher, and if you have a microcenter near by, why not. The 4670k or non k is great with a limited budget, or if you are not going to over clock.

[13ifs40 3]

HI

 

     I hate to ask this a sound dumb

 

but can I get a translation on some things

 

what is over clocking?

 

and what is a ht you talk about?

 

also does a normal computer you would just buy come with the storage things that is talked about?

and how would I know it if it bit me?

 

 

also     what is the hyper threading thing?

 

 

 

thanks all

 

 

Ian Snow

 

[snowingairlines 20]

Overclocking is the process of altering the clock speed in the processor. With overclocking you can go from 3.4 Ghz to 4.4Ghz, significantly improving performance. The downside to overclocking is the heat generated, which is why you need a cpu cooler. You could easily bring your computer to your local computer shop, and have them set up the overclock for you. You cannot overclock a computer from a big brand name like Dell or HP. You have to get a computer custom built from someone like cyberpowerpc, or build it yourself. You also need to have a processor with a k on the end of its name.

 

Hyperthreading or (HT) is a process that some of the higher end intel processors have. It allows the processor to split up tasks more efficiently. The downside is that very few programs make use of it. FSX does not use it, but programs like photoshop do. 

 

The hard drives in the build above, are all Solid State Drives. Most computers still have regular spinning drives which are slower, but cheaper. Some computers come with solid state drives, but very few do.

[13ifs40 3]

HI

 

  Ok so that I understand this       when you overclock a computer you are heating up the insides, hence you need a powerful cooler or you are

looking at a melt down.    Is this also the reason I need a huge power supply like that 750 watt thing?

Also I always thought water was bad for electronics/     are there some danger with a water cooled thing?

now to answer a wife question

 

what makes this different then a dell or hp or a gateway

 

she is concerned I mite build this and blow up the office by accident

 

 

 

thanks again for all this info      it is an education for sure

[snowingairlines 20]

Overclocking does use more power, but the 750w was for the beast of a video card that the GTX 770 is. Water cooling can be dangerous for the components if done cheaply or incorrectly. The Corsair water cooler comes with a great warranty, and if the cooler leaks due to a manufacturing error, corsair will replace the computer. This computer will be more powerful in the areas that count for flightsim, and will have the option for overclocking. Dell, HP, etc., do not allow for overclocking, and are optimized for work stations. There is not much of a chance of things catching fire or blowing up, but I guess it could happen. There is a far greater chance that a wiring fault in your house will cause something to explode, over the computer.

[13ifs40 3]

HI

 

  thanks again for all your advice and help.    With a system like this do I need a good power strip?

or am I looking at something else to plug into it?

 

what happens in a power outage or electric surge?

 

 

also    I have a old Gateway case in the house

is that something that I can use?

 

 

 

thanks again

 

Ian Snow

 

[snowingairlines 20]

 

 

what happens in a power outage or electric surge?

You will want to get a good surge protecter for all of you electronics. 

 

 

 

I have a old Gateway case in the house
is that something that I can use?

You could, but it might work or it might not. It all depends on how Gateway designed the computer. If it uses standard motherboard sizes you will be fine, if it does not, then there is a problem.

[13ifs40 3]

Hi

 

    ok I guess that is all the questions I have

 

thank you so much for your help and advise

 

I will now present my ideas to the finance department and hope for the best

 

 

 

Ian Snow

 

[SAAB340 28]

The list above is pretty much for a very high end computer.

 

I have a few suggestions for alterations.

Nr1. The list has 2 separate SSDs. You only need one. It's a very common misunderstanding that you need separate drives for FSX and Windows. This is still true for regular harddisks but with an SSD you can have both FSX and Windows on the same drive no problem. Size vise around 256GB would do you fine. A 128GB might even be doable given that you said you will use standard scenery. It all depends on what other programs you plan on using. Also get a regular harddrive to keep all your photos/movies/music/'insert whatever you want' on.

 

Nr2. RAM. Get faster than 1600MHz RAM. You can get faster RAM for the same or very little extra money today. FSX is one of few programs that actually makes use of faster RAM. More than 8GB won't help in FSX.

 

Nr3. CPU. The i7 4770K will be slightly faster than the other option, the i5 4670K. But the i5 is a lot cheaper. Worth remembering when deciding if to get the i7 or not, is that I'd does have hyperthreading an that can (yes can, completely opposite to what most people say) be made to good use in FSX to load photo scenery ground textures quickly. So probably not applicable to your own use case scenario. Hyperthreading won't however give you higher FPS.

 

 

Good luck at the finance department=)

[CTBlankenship 35]

I've been researching this quite a bit and have come up with four levels of PCs for a build.  Feel free to mix and match ... the link on the left under "Component" is a link to the Newegg product page ... the link under "Mfg. Part Number" takes you to the manufacturer's product page. 

 

I don't much like the Basic build ... I like the Gamer XLS OC as I tear out all of the case's 120mm fans and replace them with Noctura fans ... this is a $130 cost that you do not have to endure if you don't want to).

 

Gamer Basic

 

Gamer XLS OC (Personal favorite)

 

Gamer Maximus

 

Gamer Collosus

 

Hope this helps ... if you don't want to build your own I'll be more than happy to do it for you ... if you live in the Continental US.  The end result features a fully patched installation of Windows, updated BIOS, Professional Wiring, Performance Testing, Burn-in, stick by stick memory testing using MemTest86, Overclocking to desired amount w/ 24 hour stress test with AIDA64 (within reason) Windows Activation, Antivirus Installation, Driver Updates and last but not least ... MSFX installation and Optimization (extra).

 

When I bought my rig from CyberPowerPC I spent $2,200 (including shipping) for a PC that wasn't even close to the quality of these.  I also had to update the BIOS, patch Windows (over 130 Updates that if not applied properly and in the right order  ... fail).

 

All components are of the highest quality ASUS, Corsair, SeaSonic, Intel, Western Digital Black, BitFenix or CoolerMaster.

 

C. T.

[dazz 69]

 

 

The i7 4770K will be slightly faster than the other option, the i5 4670K

 

Jury's still out on that one Based on FSMark11 results, it falls within the error margin

 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ApeEiOXGIvXidG9rNUdkSi13a09fb0JPQU5CektEelE#gid=0

 

I would definitely like to see a larger sample in your clock for clock test (sorry I couldn't be of much help there, not sure what was skewing my scores)

[13ifs40 3]

hi all

 

ok I got a major question

 

how do I know if a computer comes with a solid state drive?

 

do I ask for it or will I see it in the specs?

 

would it be in a dell or an hp?

 

or will I only get it in a computer built by a specialty place?

 

 

 

thanks

Ian Snow

 

[snowingairlines 20]

 

 

how do I know if a computer comes with a solid state drive?

They would normally put it into big font and try to advertise it, since it is a major selling point for some computers. SSD's mainly though can only be found in most custom gaming builds, by companies like cyberpowerpc.

[13ifs40 3]

HI  snowingairlines

 

got a question on the rig you listed

 

which is the hard drive on your list

here is the list you gave me

 

 

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

 

CPU:  Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($279.99 @ Microcenter) 

CPU Cooler:  Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($99.99 @ Amazon) 

Motherboard:  Asus Z87-PRO ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($177.99 @ SuperBiiz) 

Memory:  Kingston Black 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($58.99 @ Newegg) 

Storage:  Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk  ($94.99 @ NCIX US) 

Storage:  Corsair Force Series GS 360GB 2.5" Solid State Disk  ($292.99 @ Amazon) 

Video Card:  MSI GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card  ($399.99 @ Amazon) 

Case:  NZXT Phantom 410 (Red) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($89.99 @ Newegg) 

Power Supply:  Corsair CX 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply  ($74.99 @ Microcenter) 

Optical Drive:  LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer  ($15.99 @ Microcenter) 

Operating System:  Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit)  ($89.98 @ Outlet PC) 

 

 

just a little lost on the hard drive area

 

thanks again

 

Ian Snow

 

[snowingairlines 20]

The smaller SSD was what I thought that you could use as the main drive. The larger SSD would be for fsx, and all related files.