Hi All,Not sure if anyone on the test team had Win98. This looks to be a path issue. Let's let Chris sleep and he'll be back on Thursday.Hope this helps,JimActiveSky Supporthttp://www.hifisim.com/images/as2004proudsupporter.jpg

>Regarding 98SE and Blue Screen errors, that wasn't what this>thread was about--no need to campaign for XP. For some even a>$100 O/S upgrade isn't an option--they are stuck on older>hardware, O/S's or both by need or by choice.> As a retiree, am in that position. Now I have all the time in the world, without the money that I had when working. An upgrade to XP can be had for _less_ then $89 via the Internet. SP2 is free. If someone can afford to pay $60 for the FS, and $35 for several addon's a year, it would be much better to upgrade to XP, than to buy addons. S.S. of $1000 a month does not go very far in CA... but I still managed to upgrade. Its all a matter or what is important, Id rather not drink or smoke and spend the money on my FS or computer. The _original_ message complained about an error which was very common on my system _before_ I switched from W98WE... have never had it or Blue Screens which I had 3-4 times a week,since the switch to XP.>Although I've almost eliminated all of my 98SE systems in the>field, support wise, lockups were no more frequent than the>2000 and XP boxes.These systems must not get the hard use mine gets.Before switching to XP, was having 3-5 crashes daily, and Ive only had two, in the last two years with XP. (one I know was my fault) Installing XP was better for me, than buying a new computer in benefits and framerate increases, and it cost a lot less.>All of your advice is sound, mind you--I just don't think it>fits in the context of this thread. Quite a few of us are>Windows experts and/or professionals in the IT field. Experts may have few problems, not all of us are experts, but I have been using computers since 1955, with punchcards. Then owned many since 1965. My first HD, weighed about 35 lbs, and was larger than my current tower. Cost me $3500 for 5-MEG! Havent done any programming since about 1983-4 to speak of, when it became cheaper to pay others, than do it myself. Bob

Hi All, For those win98 user's It appears there is a small issue, I will check that's and release update, should be easy.ThanksChris Willis[link:fsw.simflight.com/FSWMenuFsSim.html]Clouds And Addons For MsFs

Oh here we go--the "I've been using computers since (insert date here)...." routine. You think the 98se systems in my WAN don't experience problems because they don't get much use? To someone in my profession, that's about as low an insult as one can throw at someone. My workstations experience no problems because I know how to manage them and teach the people that use them--period. I didn't try to insult you--I just said I felt your post was out of place and also to dispute what you said, the original post said nothing about blue screens--it was voicing an issue with application errors. Knowing XP as well as you do, you know that some of the systems defaults a programmer may be expecting might not apply under 98SE. Since I also code, I can tell you I've made that mistake with my own work, some of it released here like Chris's own work.I support a 1500 node WAN--which had about 700 workstations with 98SE when I came aboard. At least half of those workstations were in use 24x7--in our call center, and in various other aspects of our operations. Many were used for heavy applications, including G/L, digital and voice imaging, and so on. So please do not try to browbeat me with the "age" card--doesn't work. You may have used computers since punchcards, but so have I. It sounds like we've both been using the "Personal computer" since it's inception--as have a number of users here. We both saw the first breaths of DOS, the "16K vs. 64K" arguments, the first stabs at Windows, probably a bit of Unix, Mainframe, etc.... Every few years it's a whole new ball of wax and we're all starting from square one.... Having said that, I do make my living providing network support and consider myself a quick study when technology changes. But I also have to teach, and I can't get far doing that by stating canned remarks about Operating Systems or saying to folks "If I can spend it so can you". No one should have to lay their financial cards on the table--you'd be surprised how many users here make do with a shoestring budget.Also, an XP upgrade is often more than "juat $89" In my case and in the case of those I support, XP costs nothing, but I know the upgrade process. Users who still run 98SE often do so for legacy applications. There's the rub--items you can't place a price tag on--such as spending ten hours trying to get a legacy application to work that a user, or you, depends upon. And for some, they neither drink or smoke nor have the funds to throw at an O/S. Maybe they received MSFS for free, or their systems. Maybe they get enough joy from free add-ons (you can have a contented simming life with them, given examples like Chris's great work). It's so easy to spend someone else's money, but that's a sign of ignorance and disrespect, IMHO... That's someone else's business, not yours...'rant over...-John

Thanks Chris. Will patiently be waiting. Thanks again for your work!Vernon Christie

>Oh here we go--the "I've been using computers since (insert>date here)...." routine. You think the 98se systems in my WAN>don't experience problems because they don't get much use? To>someone in my profession, that's about as low an insult as one>can throw at someone. My workstations experience no problems>because I know how to manage them and teach the people that>use them--period. You take things as an insult, which are just statements of fact.That's your problem, not my intentions. Personally know many who have used 98SE, and do _not_ know _anyone_ who has not had problems with 98. >I didn't try to insult you--I just said I felt your post was>out of place and also to dispute what you said, the original>post said nothing about blue screens--it was voicing an issue>with application errors. Blue screens in my opinion are the _worst_ error. Ive never know anyone who has _NOT_ had them frequently with 98... Criticism of the sort you give, is _always_ distructive, yet you _say_ you dont try to "insult" me. There is no such thing as "constructive" criticism, only constructive suggestions. Yet you criticise someone who is giving them. People criticise only in an attempt to make themselves feel better. >I support a 1500 node WAN--which had about 700 workstations>with 98SE when I came aboard. At least half of those>workstations were in use 24x7--in our call center, and in>various other aspects of our operations. Many were used for>heavy applications, including G/L, digital and voice imaging,>and so on. And somone in such a network cant afford XP, does not make sense. >Also, an XP upgrade is often more than "juat $89" In my case>and in the case of those I support, XP costs nothing, but I>know the upgrade process. Users who still run 98SE often do>so for legacy applications. There's the rub--items you can't>place a price tag on--such as spending ten hours trying to get>a legacy application to work that a user, or you, depends>upon. Ive _never_ found a program which works on 98, that will not work on XP, and I use some very old software. If it does not, you just right click, click properties, compatability, and set it for 95, 98, etc.>And for some, they neither drink or smoke nor have the>funds to throw at an O/S. Maybe they received MSFS for free,>or their systems. Yes, I received each issue of MSFS free, since 1992 when I retired.>Maybe they get enough joy from free add-ons>(you can have a contented simming life with them, given>examples like Chris's great work). Most all Addon's I use are free, Ive only purchased two, Bill Lyons WACO @ $12, and Eaglesoft's Citation X... But, I consider XP a vital necessity. Personally, cant believe that you are responsible for so many computers, and have NO errors in two years with W98. Its not even logical.>It's so easy to spend someone else's money, but that's a sign of >ignorance and disrespect, IMHO... Your opinions are not very humble. Criticising others who are giving helpful suggestions, is "a sign of ignorance and disrespect.">That's someone else's business, not yours...When someone asks for help, I suggest what I know, rather than "attacking" others who attempt to help. It is up to them to use the suggestion or not, and that is _their_ business, not yours...You do not know if they can or cant afford XP, I know many who can, but have not installed it due to rumors. They have been told how difficult it is, how many problems there are, by those who trash MS, etc... It was simple to install, and eliminated major problems which could not be cured without XP. If you were insulted by what I wrote, you imagined the insults. Bob

Let me hijack this thread to thank Chris for his work.Using XP the instalation was a breeze. I was using some mods, to allow for High FPS.I went to the library and got the HIFPS version of Chris' Clouds and pasted them onto the library, selected my favorite set and I was good to go. Thanks again, every simmer has to take a look at his program.

"Blue screens in my opinion are the _worst_ error. Ive never know anyone who has _NOT_ had them frequently with 98... Criticism of the sort you give, is _always_ distructive, yet you _say_ you dont try to "insult" me. There is no such thing as "constructive" criticism, only constructive suggestions. Yet you criticise someone who is giving them. People criticise only in an attempt to make themselves feel better"But you still don't get it. Blue Screens weren't even discussed. Except by you and by me. You responded to display expertise, and frankly so did I because I call 'em as I see 'em. It bristles me when someone "helps" by saying "tough luck, ditch your O/S""If you were insulted by what I wrote, you imagined the insults."Then why throw more insults and make false statements? You're drawing "conclusions" based on your own agenda. Example:"And somone in such a network cant afford XP, does not make sense."I have XP on my laptop, from which I do the majority of my work at home. I have 98SE on my sim workstation because I choose to--not because I can or can't afford it. In my WAN, almost all of my 98 systems are gone. I inherited my upgrade budget--I didn't keep 98SE around because I thought it was God's gift to Operating Systems. Windows 2000, our upgrade path at the time, offered me more tools as a WAN admin, so that's what I wanted. Stability wasn't the reason for needing to upgrade.The larger picture is it's not about me--it's about other users here who truly CAN'T afford it. But then someone who gets MSFS for free since retirement, perhaps they can't understand that? What I do know is thay some of the simmers here can't work--but they don't have to prostrate themselves to you, me or anyone to say why they sim with the O/S and equipment they have."Ive _never_ found a program which works on 98, that will not work on XP, and I use some very old software. If it does not, you just right click, click properties, compatability, and set it for 95, 98, etc." If you don't know of any application which won't run under XP, then perhaps you don't "work" your systems hard enough. XP has a very challenging time dealing with older software/hardware interfaces. Retooling to support newer ones isn't an option for some firms.You take my comments out of context and skew them to make points based on flawed logic. I wouldn't hire someone who operates that way. Surprisingly, I find most people who make such comments in interviews tend to be on the young side with "book" experience vs. real systems experience in the field."Personally, cant believe that you are responsible for so many computers, and have NO errors in two years with W98. Its not even logical."For my homw system, that is true. Oh no--wait a minute--I had a seasonal CTD. That must have been 98's fault, right? Seriously, I just feel like you're someone who simply refuses to see that any O/S can be managed. It also seems you hint that people who can't afford 98 are crying "poor mouth". I have no respect for people like that.You said you came into the thead to help? IMHO you came to grandstand and put 98 users down. Your response had nothing to do with an oversight by Chris in handling differences between 98's and XP's pathing.I'll leave you alone now--but please stop with the insults--you haven't seen me when I get really worked up :) And mind you, sometimes insults are "imagined" as you say because people have their quotes molded to fit an agenda--that qualifies as disrespect, which equals insult in my book.-John

Hi, May I jump into this thread for just a moment?Bob, my name is Tom - also retired.:-wave Just want to thank you for the excellent "recommendations for a better operating system." There have been many times that I have "pondered weak and weary" over many a quaint and curious forgotten registry key. After reading your post, It is beginning to make sense. I have always been somewhat reluctant to edit the registry but I think I have a better understanding of it now.Also want to thank Chris Willis for his input.I have only had this computer and FS2004 for about six months so there is still a lot I have to learn about the software, hardware, and flying. My wife got me the computer - said I was driving her crazy around the house -:-jumpy - too much time on my hands. Now I'm at the comupter every chance I get.Thanks again,Tom

Chris:Running XP. Same error message for me. "FS9.exe can not be found".BTW, absolutely stunning dawn/sunset files.Chris

>'em. It bristles me when someone "helps" by saying "tough>luck, ditch your O/S"YOU are the one putting words into my mouth.I never said any such thing, and never have in my entire life.>"And somone in such a network cant afford XP, does not make>sense."You are the one implying you are such an "expert" with such a large "network" and in fact, I stated that I was NOT an expert. Certainly anyone with a network of over 700, can afford XP>>The larger picture is it's not about me--it's about other>users here who truly CAN'T afford it. But then someone who>gets MSFS for free since retirement, perhaps they can't>understand that? You ignore the fact that MY income is $1000 per MONTH, and say its about users who truly "CAN'T afford it. Was given MSFS by one of my children, who _knew_ that I could not afford it. Personally, I am in the class of people whom you insist that I am trying to "insult." That is rediculus, you are saying that I am attempting to insult myself.>What I do know is thay some of the simmers>here can't work--but they don't have to prostrate themselves>to you, me or anyone to say why they sim with the O/S and>equipment they have.You are the only one talking about why they "can't afford" it, I said nothing about that _except_ after YOU began talking about it. Never said they had to buy it, or anything like that. Just explained what it did for me . . . would have said _nothing_ else, until you stuck your face in, making all kinds of accusations about NOTHING.> If you don't know of any application which won't run under>XP, then perhaps you don't "work" your systems hard enough. >XP has a very challenging time dealing with older>software/hardware interfaces. Retooling to support newer ones>isn't an option for some firms.Ha, ha, ha... Name ONE program which will NOT work with XP...For decades I ran a non-profit group in the Salvation Army, which has very few options. But, when an OS proved to be more stable, they upgraded. Ive worked with the SA since 1958, so you know nothing about me or how I work with the poor, and run off your mouth assuming everything you talk about.>>You take my comments out of context and skew them to make>points based on flawed logic. I wouldn't hire someone who>operates that way. You talk about things I did not even say, as if I said them, then accuse others of taking comments out of context. I'd never work for someone who treats others like you do.>Seriously, I just feel like you're someone who simply refuses>to see that any O/S can be managed. Hey, In even managed Windows V 3.0, but just because I could, does not mean that I would not give it up and upgrade when something better came along. My time is worth as much to me or much more the older I get, as there is less of it left. So, when I can use something which _saves_ me a lot of time, the upgrade is _cheap_ at the price.> It also seems you hint that people who can't afford 98> are crying "poor mouth". I have no respect for people like that.On the contrary, you as an employed person with 700 stations, imply you have an excellent income. While I made _no_hints_ about the _status_ of anyone using 98... YOU were the person who began that, and I responded stating that my income is $1000 per month. Many in this country like a close friend who is disabled, has an income which exceeds that. If anything, _I_ am the only one "crying poor mouth," here, yet you ignore that, and attack me. SOoooo, you must have "no respect for" yourself.>You said you came into the thead to help? IMHO you came to>grandstand and put 98 users down. BULL PUCKEY... you are the one Grandstanding, with your bragging about running such a large network. And putting down others.>Your response had nothing>to do with an oversight by Chris>in handling differences between 98's and XP's pathing.NOW you finally say what is bothering you. Personally, I do not even know Chris or what the program he wrote is, just that XP has eliminated the type of _error_ a user asked for help with. So, I simply told him what may help. NOTHING but what I write in a message, is in the message. Nothing was _implied_ in that message. It was YOU who attempted to insert things in it, which were NOT there.>I'll leave you alone now--but please stop with the>insults--you haven't seen me when I get really worked up :) Nothing you can do or say, would bother me. No one has the ability to create emotions or feelings in my life, I control and create my own.>And mind you, sometimes insults are "imagined" as you say>because people have their quotes molded to fit an agenda--that>qualifies as disrespect, which equals insult in my book.>>-JohnPeople who imagine "insults" do so because of what has happened to them in the past. It has nothing to do with what I said, as nothing which I said in my original message was insulting. When you _assume_ someone is writing something which is NOT in the words, you attempt to make an "####" (of) "u" (and) "me" as the saying goes. When you _point_ a finger at others and accuse them of something, LOOK at your own hand. You have three fingers pointing back at yourself. "Judge not, that ye be not Judged." Bob

Seems "Judges not, that ye be not judged" and this comment:"On the contrary, you as an employed person with 700 stations, imply you have an excellent income."don't jive...I have not said anywhere "I" cannot afford XP. And are you using a salary survey to judge what I earn? THIS ISN'T ABOUT ME OR MY ABILITY TO AFFORD XP!!!!!!!!!!You keep doing a rather childish thing--turning this thread into an issue about me vs. the others who came here seeking the help you claim you wish to provide. I hate to say it, but you may be retired, but you still have some growing up to do. I'll tolerate that game from my children, but not from you--so I'm through wasting time.If you want to take this offline, fine--I can discuss things all day. But every comment I've made, you've tried to misconstrue into something else. I think you were the one who first took offense here, not me. But taking "responsibility for one's actions" sounds like another lecture you don't wish to hear-Johnp.s."People who imagine "insults" do so because of what has happened to them in the past."Enjoyed that one, Sigmund :)

>Hi, May I jump into this thread for just a moment?> Sure . . .>Bob, my name is Tom - also retired.:-wave Isn't it Great to set your own schedule ! :-walksmile>Just want to thank you for the excellent "recommendations for>a better operating system." There have been many times that I>have "pondered weak and weary" over many a quaint and curious>forgotten registry key. After reading your post, It is>beginning to make sense. I have always been somewhat reluctant>to edit the registry but I think I have a better understanding>of it now. You are very welcome . . .>I have only had this computer and FS2004 for about six months>so there is still a lot I have to learn about the software,>hardware, and flying. Know how you are feeling, been there, but looking back in a few years, you will be amazed at how much you learn, before long...>Thanks again,>>Tom You are welcome, again. ;-) Bob

"FS9.exe can not be found"That is not the same warning the W98se crowd is getting. We get a 'Path cannot be found' error.Good luck.

Chris sent me a new exe. file and it corrects the problem. Let's get back to the subject shall we? I am sure Chris will post the fix very soon.On a footnote......................................LONG LIVE W98se!!He he.............