September 13, 201312 yr Hi, The spoilerons on the NGX becomes much more sensitive once the spoilers deploy on touchdown. This results in the spoilerons going back down (or a bit up) by only small control inputs. It remains like thisnuntil the spoilers are stowed back down. I wonder if there's a way to change this so that they have the same sensitivity as when the spoilers are back down? Kind regards Johan /Johan Windh
September 13, 201312 yr Author I'm guessing, if anything, it is something about these values: spoiler_limit = 60.0 spoiler_extension_time = 2.0 spoilerons_available = 0 //Spoilerons Available? aileron_to_spoileron_gain = 3 //Aileron to spoileron gain min_ailerons_for_spoilerons = 10 //Degrees min_flaps_for_spoilerons = 0 //Minimum flap handleposition when spoilerons activate auto_spoiler_available = 1 /Johan Windh
September 13, 201312 yr Commercial Member I wonder if there's a way to change this so that they have the same sensitivity as when the spoilers are back down? Why would you want to? Kyle Rodgers
September 13, 201312 yr Author Why would you want to? For example, when making replay/videos the spoilerons fold down with every little move, and I don't think I've ever seen a RW video with the spoilerons moving this much just after touchdown. Perhaps with extreme crosswind and the PF makes serious input, but not by just nudging the yoke, as the case is at the moment. Let me upload a video to clarify. /Johan Windh
September 13, 201312 yr Author Here's a video showing how the spoilerons "overreact" when spoilers are deployed: https://vimeo.com/74471597 (please bear with my sloppy landing, it's my first logged flight with the NGX) /Johan Windh
September 13, 201312 yr This looks like a bug to me. The spoilers shouldn't be modulating at all when they are on the ground (i.e. in the UP detent). Matt Cee
September 13, 201312 yr Author This looks like a bug to me. The spoilers shouldn't be modulating at all when they are on the ground (i.e. in the UP detent). Right... It cannot be due to the fact that I use "autorudder", right? (not able to test at the moment) If not, wouldn't more people have noticed this? Fixable? /Johan Windh
September 13, 201312 yr They definitely never do this on my setup (this is disregarding the fact that, as spin737 said, they aren't supposed to move on the ground). Maybe your controls are too sensitive? Alfredo Terrero
September 13, 201312 yr Author They definitely never do this on my setup (this is disregarding the fact that, as spin737 said, they aren't supposed to move on the ground). Maybe your controls are too sensitive? Hmm... interesting.. Well, no, my controls aren't super sensitive.. And my yoke is not connected through FSUIPC. /Johan Windh
September 13, 201312 yr Author OK, was able to test it again. I tested without any external controllers connected. It was not Autorudder. I then tried it with keyboard inputs for Ailerons. Also checked with lowering the sensitivity for Ailerons. Nope. The problem remains... Hmm.... /Johan Windh
September 13, 201312 yr There is a problem in the NGX with roll spoilers while speedbrake is deployed. You can see it in flight too. The slightest turn of the wheel causes the spoilers on the up going wing to retract immediately. In the real aircraft the spoilers reduce deflection in proportion to wheel movement. They won't retract fully for small wheel inputs.
September 13, 201312 yr Author There is a problem in the NGX with roll spoilers while speedbrake is deployed. You can see it in flight too. The slightest turn of the wheel causes the spoilers on the up going wing to retract immediately. In the real aircraft the spoilers reduce deflection in proportion to wheel movement. They won't retract fully for small wheel inputs. OK Kevin, But still some people report that they don't have the problem that can be seen in the video I provided. /Johan Windh
September 13, 201312 yr OK Kevin, But still some people report that they don't have the problem that can be seen in the video I provided. Yes, but maybe you wouldn't have your issue if the NGX didnt have this spoiler mixer problem.
September 13, 201312 yr Author Yes, but maybe you wouldn't have your issue if the NGX didnt have this spoiler mixer problem. True. But other people not having this problem (at least on the ground) means that there is something to do about it. The question is what. /Johan Windh
September 13, 201312 yr True. But other people not having this problem (at least on the ground) means that there is something to do about it. The question is what. So far only one person has said they haven't seen it happen on their system. I'll test it on mine when I can and let you know what I see. However, as far as I'm aware there's no reason why the wheel would not affect spoiler position on ground just as it does in the air. It just shouldn't be as much as you see, which is due to the error in the NGX model.
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