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Which flight planner for smaller aircraft in Europe

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What flight planner do you guys recommend for flying in Europe.  I fly the Turbine Duke and Flight1 Mustang mostly.

Gregg Seipp

"A good landing is when you can walk away from the airplane.  A great landing is when you can reuse it."
i9 64GB RAM, GTX-5090

Only  one  flight planner  for  ga  is

http://skyvector.com/

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Peter kelberg

Plan-G for flight planning and navigation - http://www.tasoftware.co.uk/?wpdmact=process&did=NS5ob3RsaW5r

 

Skyvector for approach and departure information, airport diagrams and runway specifications, sections and IFR route charts - http://skyvector.com/airports

 

Also helpful for airport information in Europe (Skyvectory can be a bit sketchy outside North America) - http://charts.aero/

Dan

Legacy Virtual Airline

Legacy Aviation Knowledge Academy

 

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Plan-G for flight planning and navigation - http://www.tasoftware.co.uk/?wpdmact=process&did=NS5ob3RsaW5r

 

Skyvector for approach and departure information, airport diagrams and runway specifications, sections and IFR route charts - http://skyvector.com/airports

 

Also helpful for airport information in Europe (Skyvectory can be a bit sketchy outside North America) - http://charts.aero/

 

Yeah, I use skyvector for the US and am using it to look things over in Europe.  I'm trying to learn the 'norms' so I'm hoping to find some flight plans to use as well.  Also have a lot of learning to do about reading all the approaches/sids/stars/diagrams.  For now I'm just using FSX ATC so I need to export it to FSX.  Later, if/when I'm flying on VATSIM/IVAO I won't need that but I will need to understand how things are done.

Gregg Seipp

"A good landing is when you can walk away from the airplane.  A great landing is when you can reuse it."
i9 64GB RAM, GTX-5090

This might give you a some information - may be a bit basic for you at this point and the details pertain to US/North America IFR navigation but there's also some links to other references and our page on ATC communication -

http://www.ifrjethops.com/ifr-flight-planning

 

You should be able to download the flight plans at the bottom of the page (above the route map - you will also need the Flight Plan List to 'decode' the plan names.  There's also a set in FSCommander format if you have that - but still only US routes - might serve to give you an example or two of how you can build your own routes should you choose (these were done in FSCommander originally and exported to FSX format).

Dan

Legacy Virtual Airline

Legacy Aviation Knowledge Academy

 

Windows 10, i7 3770 3.9 GHz, 16 GB DDR3 RAM, NVIDIA 1070 ti, 42" 1080p widescreen / P3D v5, P3D v4, FSX with Acceleration, FSX-SE / TrackIR-5

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Guys, thanks for all the info.  Here's what I see so far...

 

I have to say after looking at these options that, compared to what's available in the US, flying in Europe with the existing tools is more challenging.  In the US I can get a flightplan from FlightAware or Simroutes.  Simroutes converts it to FSX format.  Skyvector has all the approach plates, SIDS/STARS in one convenient place.  Skyvector keeps improving.  In Europe,

  • Skyvector does a decent job of allowing you to rubberband a flight plan but doesn't have all of the approach plates and airport diagrams
  • FSCommander seems like a good product, no rubberbanding but seems to be a good place to enter flight plans, select SIDS/STARS, and get a rough sketch for approaches/SIDS/STARS and get the flight plan with SIDS/STARS into an FSX flight plan format. 
  • PlanG doesn't seem to include SIDS/STARS.  More important for SIDS than STARS since, in Europe, those are assigned by ATC, right?
  • Simroutes does a pretty decent job but doesn't seem to have a lot of European flight plans and doesn't know about European SIDS/STARS.
  • FlightAware seems to not have RW flight plans for Europe yet but does have some info...not very useful at the moment.

Since SIDS/STARS seem to be more widely used in Europe than in the US, it seems more important to have that integrated into something.  Much of what I've read is that FSBuild is the best product...long in the tooth but that's what I'm reading.  My solution, thus far, is:

 

  • Go to http://www.vatroute.net/ to find a viable route.  This doesn't contain SIDS/STARS but the flight plans, generally, seem to line up with them(?)
  • Enter that into skyvector to gat a good idea for what it looks like (not required but it's easy). 
  • If I'm flying with FSX ATC, enter the flight plan into fscommander or fsbuild, select the SID/STAR and export it.
  • For approach plates and detailed SID/STAR, go to http://charts.aero/, open one of the large PDFs and have a mini scrolling party to find what I'm looking for.  I've also noticed that Googling the airport and APPROACH PLATES yields good results so far...e.g. "LFMN APPROACH PLATES"

So, if I'm flying with FSX ATC, FSCommander and FSBuild seem good.  If I'm flying online vatroute.net is good enough (though, FSCommander helps you select a SID).  I don't have any experience with FSBuild yet but I've seen a lot of good things said.  If I were flying larger airplanes, PFPX would be good...can you create a profile for smaller airplanes for that? 

Gregg Seipp

"A good landing is when you can walk away from the airplane.  A great landing is when you can reuse it."
i9 64GB RAM, GTX-5090

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