September 27, 201312 yr Here's a report generated by "WhatIsHang", 10 minutes into a flight from PANC to KSEA. I had AS2012, FSinn, Vatsim, Ultimate Terrain X running, and was using the PMDG 777, as I usually do. I was using an average of 2.5 gigs of the available VAS limit of 4 gigs, and had VC frame rates of 50fps. The CPU and GPU were both running no higher than 50% on average and there was no CPU temp problem. Recently, I completed an 11+ hour flight from KDEN to RJAA using all the same parameters and programs, with no freezes at all. I have the UI Automation core, and highmemfix installed. Can someone interpret the report below and give me an idea what the problem is? Thanks! Hang report for C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\fsx.exeGenerated by using WhatIsHang on 9/27/2013 12:19:57 PMWeb site: http://www.nirsoft.net Remarks:* The program hangs in a single system call. You can look in the call stack and stack data to find out which API function cause this hang. Strings found in the stack: Modules found in the stack:C:\Windows\syswow64\KERNELBASE.dll , Microsoft Corporation , Microsoft® Windows® Operating System, Windows NT BASE API Client DLLC:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\API.DLL , Microsoft Corp. , Microsoft® Flight Simulator X, api dllC:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\terrain.dll , Microsoft Corp. , Microsoft® Flight Simulator X, terrain dll ThreadID: 3576 Execute Address:77A4FD91 ntdll.dll!NtDelayExecution+0x15 Call Stack:03A5FD3C 762A4498 KERNELBASE.dll!Sleep+0xf03A5FD4C 200F5213 API.DLL!Ordinal307+0xf7b03A5FD74 200F62EE API.DLL!Ordinal248+0x4603A5FD88 20D96A7D terrain.dll+0x56a7d03A5FDBC 20D969FD terrain.dll+0x569fd03A5FDC8 20D96BB9 terrain.dll+0x56bb903A5FDE0 20D98975 terrain.dll+0x5897503A5FE08 20D96BA1 terrain.dll+0x56ba103A5FE20 20D98C87 terrain.dll+0x58c8703A5FE54 20D98072 terrain.dll+0x5807203A5FEAC 20D570E2 terrain.dll+0x170e203A5FEF8 20D56ADE terrain.dll+0x16ade03A5FF6C 200F4F7A API.DLL!Ordinal307+0xce203A5FFA8 200F4E8C API.DLL!Ordinal307+0xbf403A5FFB4 75D1BFA2 kernel32.dll!CreateFiberEx+0x20c03A5FFEC 75D1BF5A kernel32.dll!CreateFiberEx+0x1c4 Stack Data:03A5FCD4 77A4FD91 ntdll.dll!NtDelayExecution+0x1503A5FCD8 762A3BC8 KERNELBASE.dll!SleepEx+0x6503A5FCDC 0000000003A5FCE0 03A5FD1803A5FCE4 8914B08B03A5FCE8 00001A8D03A5FCEC 77E8AF2803A5FCF0 02E4529403A5FCF4 0000002403A5FCF8 0000000103A5FCFC 0000000003A5FD00 0000000003A5FD04 0000000003A5FD08 0000000003A5FD0C 0000000003A5FD10 0000000003A5FD14 0000000003A5FD18 FFF85EE003A5FD1C FFFFFFFF03A5FD20 0000000003A5FD24 03A5FCE403A5FD28 FFFF000003A5FD2C 03A5FDB003A5FD30 762C6FF0 KERNELBASE.dll!IsNLSDefinedString+0x4da03A5FD34 FC9DC7FF03A5FD38 0000000003A5FD3C 03A5FD4C03A5FD40 762A4498 KERNELBASE.dll!Sleep+0xf03A5FD44 0000003203A5FD48 0000000003A5FD4C 03A5FD7403A5FD50 200F5213 API.DLL!Ordinal307+0xf7b03A5FD54 0000003203A5FD58 0000000003A5FD5C 02E270C003A5FD60 7139427003A5FD64 0ACFFB8403A5FD68 0000000003A5FD6C 00001A8D03A5FD70 03A5FD8403A5FD74 03A5FD8803A5FD78 200F62EE API.DLL!Ordinal248+0x4603A5FD7C 02E4529403A5FD80 77E8AF2803A5FD84 7139427003A5FD88 03A5FDBC03A5FD8C 20D96A7D terrain.dll+0x56a7d03A5FD90 77E8AF2803A5FD94 86E7933D03A5FD98 0000000003A5FD9C 7139427003A5FDA0 7139427003A5FDA4 7139427003A5FDA8 20E11F6C terrain.dll+0xd1f6c03A5FDAC 0000016E03A5FDB0 03A5FE4803A5FDB4 20DFCDAD terrain.dll+0xbcdad03A5FDB8 0000000303A5FDBC 03A5FDC803A5FDC0 20D969FD terrain.dll+0x569fd03A5FDC4 000067E203A5FDC8 03A5FDE003A5FDCC 20D96BB9 terrain.dll+0x56bb903A5FDD0 0000000103A5FDE4 20D98975 terrain.dll+0x5897503A5FE0C 20D96BA1 terrain.dll+0x56ba103A5FE24 20D98C87 terrain.dll+0x58c8703A5FE4C 20DFD018 terrain.dll+0xbd01803A5FE58 20D98072 terrain.dll+0x5807203A5FEA4 20E00A91 terrain.dll+0xc0a9103A5FEB0 20D570E2 terrain.dll+0x170e203A5FED4 20D59E02 terrain.dll+0x19e0203A5FEF0 20E01260 terrain.dll+0xc126003A5FEFC 20D56ADE terrain.dll+0x16ade03A5FF0C 77A52280 ntdll.dll!RtlLeaveCriticalSection03A5FF50 20E0F9CC terrain.dll+0xcf9cc03A5FF64 20E02418 terrain.dll+0xc241803A5FF70 200F4F7A API.DLL!Ordinal307+0xce203A5FFA0 201ED819 API.DLL+0x10d81903A5FFAC 200F4E8C API.DLL!Ordinal307+0xbf403A5FFB8 75D1BFA2 kernel32.dll!CreateFiberEx+0x20c03A5FFE0 75D940E5 kernel32.dll!RegSaveKeyExW+0x47403A5FFF0 75D1BF5A kernel32.dll!CreateFiberEx+0x1c4 Processor Registers:EAX: C0000034EBX: 02E45294ECX: 00000000EDX: 00000000ESI: 03A5FD18EDI: 00000000EBP: 03A5FD3CESP: 03A5FCD4EIP: 77A4FD91 ntdll.dll!NtDelayExecution+0x15 Pete Locascio Intel Core Ultra 9 285K, Nvidia RTX 5090, Samsung 9100 Pro 2&4 TB Drives, 64 GB RAM, Asus Z-890 motherboard.
September 27, 201312 yr I have the UI Automation core, and highmemfix installed Which version of UIAutomationCore? You should test version other then you have now, and see of problem persist. Restart PC every time after replacing UIAutomationCore to see effects. And don't try to put UIAutomationCore anywhere else then FSX main folder(where you have FSX.EXE), just drop it there. From what i know, it could be related to UIAutomationCore, see this thread http://forum.avsim.net/topic/421820-wrong-version-of-uiautomationcoredll/ I'll try to find out more about WhatisHang reports, didn't used this before. But interesting that i have downloaded WhatisHang a couple of days ago, si i had intention to learn about it anyway Links to different versions: here you can find 6.0.5840.16386: https://www.dropbox.com/s/adxsx0mxb6wztil/UIAutomationCore.rar and 6.0.6001.1800 here http://downloads.precisionmanuals.com/file_library/UIAutomationCore.zip It's seems that only one of them is good for each system, but you must test both and see which is for you. I'm going to read about AppHang WhatIsHang... Zeljko Budovic
September 27, 201312 yr It says that your settings are set too high and some external app/program function is taking up too much VAS causing your app to crash. Do you have any photoscenery installed? Photoscenery will bring down your computer faster than anything else. Like I have been telling everyone, you need to disable any addon scenery that you will not be using during a flight as there is a lot of photoscenery built into just scenery (Orbx/FTX stuff is an example). You will not be able to fly very long if your have FSX constantly trying to load scenery all over the world during your flight. You could send this to some programmer at Nirosoft (as they suggest) and maybe they would be able to give you more info but I doubt he/she would be able to understand it completely. You see, it is not going to tell you if and when you are running low on VAS. AppHangs are simply too high settings and/or scenery loading that is taking up VAS. Best regards, Jim Jim Young | AVSIM Online! - Simming's Premier Resource! Member, AVSIM Board of Directors - Serving AVSIM since 2001 Submit News to AVSIMImportant other links: Basic FSX Configuration Guide | AVSIM CTD Guide | AVSIM Prepar3D Guide | Help with AVSIM Site | Signature Rules | Screen Shot Rule | AVSIM Terms of Service (ToS) I7 8086K 5.0GHz | GTX 1080 TI OC Edition | Dell 34" and 24" Monitors | ASUS Maximus X Hero MB Z370 | Samsung M.2 NVMe 500GB and 1TB | Samsung SSD 500GB x2 | Toshiba HDD 1TB | WDC HDD 1TB | Corsair H115i Pro | 16GB DDR4 3600C17 | Windows 10
September 27, 201312 yr Author I have a program that monitors the VAS limit in real time, and it NEVER comes close to the 4 gig. limit. I don't have any photoscenery installed and I only get freezes, not CTDs. I tried to disable the UTX scenery in areas that I'm not using, but if you disable one you disable them all, I checked. I really think this is a random anomaly that just rears it's ugly head every so often, for whatever reason. I installed the latest UIAutomation core fix exactly where it said to in the directions. If it was a true VAS problem, wouldn't this occur all the time, since I run FSX the with the same scenery settings and addons whenever I use it? As I said, I ran an 11 hour flight a few days ago with no freeze problems. Must be gremlins. Thanks! Pete Locascio Intel Core Ultra 9 285K, Nvidia RTX 5090, Samsung 9100 Pro 2&4 TB Drives, 64 GB RAM, Asus Z-890 motherboard.
September 27, 201312 yr if you have time, i'd like to test some theories Enable simconnect log like here(backup your original simconnect.ini becouse you will need to disable log after this): http://forum.simflight.com/topic/45074-fsx-help-logging-simconnect/ Don't forget to set your real patch to "modules" there. Just run FSX once, load the flight, rune it a couple of seconds and close FSX. After FSX is closed completely, go to "modules" folder and copy "SimConnect0.Log" and "FSUIPC4.log" and post them here, or atach to your post. They are probably most underestimated diagnostic tools for FSX. I have fixed my freezing with 777 this way, i had some simconnect conflicts which makes EZDOK to freeze whole FSX. Errors will be in log, and we can fix that easily, if you have any. It's worth a shot Reasons for freezings are many, i though that in your case may be uiautomationcore.dll, becouse of your WhatisHang report. Try this thing with simconnect and take a look at some of mine older post, those settings can realy add some stability to your FSX: http://forum.avsim.net/topic/407468-ctds-with-ezdok/#entry2664798 and http://forum.avsim.net/topic/407468-ctds-with-ezdok/#entry2665090 From second link, you don't need to disable DEP if you don't want, and you don't need to go to simforums for windows 7 tuning. Better type in google "tweakhound" and tune windows 7 like there. I found huge difference in stability and performance. Great website! I hope some of this things will help you, there is allways some reason behind crashing and freezing which allways can be fixed, if you have enough time Zeljko Budovic
October 30, 201312 yr Author You lost me in the first sentence. Thanks anyway. Pete Locascio Intel Core Ultra 9 285K, Nvidia RTX 5090, Samsung 9100 Pro 2&4 TB Drives, 64 GB RAM, Asus Z-890 motherboard.
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