>Well, I will admit that plunking down $70 for the PMDG is a bit taxing on all but the most wealthy of us. As I see it, you can either save the money over a period of time or, you can choose from the other great offerings out there:

Peter - >but is there any indication that it will be much cheaper >if at all than the PMDG 737?No, There has been no indications on price whatsoever so what anyone says are wild guesses and dream figures! :-)BTW. I can't see the resoning for the above posters. Some are getting it but there is no way you can say the PMDG NG costs $90. The 600/700 costs $40. A good start. And when/if you feel you want more you can buy the 800/900 upgrade for an additional $30. With FS2Crew for $20 you will enhance the experience even further. Too me these 90 bucks has paid for three software packages. Not one! :-hmmmCheers,

Hello Peter:I think that if you will read my reply carefully, you will find that I have already conceeded to just about everything you said, but without the emotion or I regret, anger if I upset you.I am sorry that I did not make myself clear so that you could understand. I thought I had made an effort to give PMDG full credit for their accomplishment and tried not to disturb anyone with it.My "list of commercial addons is large" is quite true and falls far short of everything I have. It will grow much larger. However; they were not bought all with one check and have been acquired piece by piece over many years, as have and will my hardware. As I said, my only decision was whether to buy two, three, or sometimes four of these products rather than the PMDG packages. I also have already conceeded that to have just bought the PMDG rather than some combination of these might have been the more wise of the choices, but we all get a bit smarter after the fact don't we. Frankly, I may not still be convinced.Thankfully, flightsimming is the one area that I disagree with you on getting what we pay for. With quite a few like the Howard 500, the Super Connie, the Tupolev 114, free FSGenesis, and many other gifts by fine contributors I paid nothing but they are worth very very much. This in no way is to say that the PMDG package is not worth every penny and I am sure that it is.Ultimate reality to me is literally the real thing, and I regret that I don't fly the real heavies, but do extensively on FS and have for many years. Probably more time in the PSS747-400/MelJet/Posky and Dreamfleet 737 merges than any other (In FS9).I also already speculated that FSCrew might be replaced by FDC to save the $$. However, I must plea ignorance as to whether this is apples to apples and certainly had no intention of being unfair."Inferior alternatives" are somewhat in the eyes of the beholder (RFP for example is certainly not inferior and is another animal), "Actual savings" is a bit of a personal matter and decision IMHO.I am not aware of cutting corners anywhere unless you call making PSS and Dreamfleet work in FS9. I have as most been bite a time or two which makes me even more cautious. (The fine recommendation record by many like you removes PMDG from that list I am sure).I already also conceeded that "The PMDG package is not overpriced", but the decision to me is if that money might be better spent elsewhere. As you will see below, Hardware is another subject covering much more than FS IMHO, and tops the list over any one software purchase in the area we have been talking about. (Again a purely personal opinion. Like noses everybody has one, including me. As you will I think see below, hardware is important to me.)Many before your time have already convinced me without quite so much emotion that ultimately I will acquire the PMDG package (as I have already implied), but I wouldn't want to be hung as to when.Thank you for your comments and I will certainly give them fair consideration for their value.Happy Flying:RTH 1585368CFIThe following is probably a little outdated.P4C800 Deluxe MotherboardPentium 4, 3.2G CPU1G PC3200/400 MemoryWinXP ProDirectX9.0cATI Radeon 9800Pro 128MBSecondary Graphics Diamond Stealth III S540 PCI 21

Mats:I confess to being the guilty party. Granted they can be viewed as three separtate units, although I am not sure that I exactly see them in quite that way. To get unit two to work, you must have unit one if I understand correctly, etc. Your point is well taken and I apologize if I have misled anyoneRespectfully:RTH

>>>>>but is there any indication that it will be much cheaper >if at all than the PMDG 737800/900 will make sticking with the 600/700 a waste of time. Also, the fact that FS2Crew only works if you have the 800/900 pretty much mandates that he purchase the 800/900. I have never agreed with the policy that you need to have the 600/700 to purchase the 800/900. The only reason for that was to maximize profits...which is ok for PMDG. The quality of the work put them in a position to make such a decision. But I do not have to agree with the policy and I don't. That's just my opinion.For those of us who have the 800/900, it was not so difficult. That's becuase the 600/700 was released for $40 and we purchased it. We then had the span of a few months to work, get our salaries, pay our bills, etc, until finally the 800/900 was released, and we got a discount at $22. That was ok because although we paid $62 in all, there wasn't a $62 hole in our wallets. The fact that you can just whip out your credit card and pay $70 for the PMDG737 if you want doesn't mean that everyone can. You must remember that there are some here in our hobby who is not as financially well off as you are, and that such purchases will be hard for them to make. If you read my post you would have noticed that I suggested to the original poster that he could save his money over a period of time, and when he has the $70 he could make the purchase.Now, about the LDS767, do you honestly believe that the PIC team will charge $70 or $80 for it? If I were a betting man, I'd put money against that....I'm sure you would to. However, if they do charge that much for it, I would take my own advice and save over a period of time for it as I'm sure the quality of work, as with the PMDG737, will justify whatever cost.

>but without the emotion or I regret, anger if I upset you.

AnthonyCorrect me if I am wroung but the improvements in the 800/900 were carried over to the 600/700 without having to buy the 800/900 package.In that case we are talking about $40 for the base pack.I am expecting great things from the LDS 767 too and am looking forward to its release.If you have little money then I agree you have to be extra careful that your usage of any aircraft warrants the purchase.But in my case am I better paying a lot for an aircraft I use a lot or having loads of lesser priced aircraft sitting on my hardrive doing nothing because they dont meet my expectations.On reflection I know the answer to that :-)Peter

I purchased the PMDG 737 about a month ago. I have not flown another plane since (on FS). In fact I no longer even check out the other forums because I'm not interested in flying any 'toys' anymore.I suggest you purchase the first version only for now. It'll take you several weeks to really understand the complexities, i.e. FMC, speeds, parameters, autopilot, etc. By the time you have a basic understanding of the procedures it will be time to upgrade to the 800/900. Another week or two on that, and FS2Crew will lure you in.Once you have all three, you can save the rest of your money at least until the 747 is released.I am a RW pilot and in fact used to own and fly a Lockheed Lodestar. I used to fly the Howard 500 on FS because it was so much like my old plane until I got the PMDG, but I have never looked back.You will never be sorry.If you have any problems, the service is amazing, and I even got several emails from Capt. Robert Randazzo himself when I experienced download hangup (my problem, not theirs).Hope this helps and if you have any questions feel free to email me at: [email protected] Hepler, loyal PMDG fan

>>>>Correct me if I am wroung but the improvements in the 800/900 were carried over to the 600/700 without having to buy the 800/900 package800/900.There were some bug fixes and service updates, but new panel styles among other things were not carried over unless the 899/900 was purchased. Another example is the greater functionality of the VC is carried over only if you purchase the 800/900. There are many other examples that do not come to mind right now.Hence the reason why you need to spend the full $70 to really get the best enjoyment out of the 600, or 700 models.BTW, I haven't seen any of your screenshots with the PMDG737. I didn't know that you had purchased it. If you do have any, maybe you could post a link? I do enjoy your screenshots.

Thank you all for your thoughts. One last request, where can I get some information on the LDS 763 project?

>Thank you all for your thoughts. >>One last request, where can I get some information on the LDS>763 project?I am afraid there only appears to be a front page and no details as yet.http://www.leveldsim.com/

HelloJust visit the PIC forum and ask what the folks there what they thought of the original version?Also there are videos available right here in the Avsim library for you to download and check out the upcoming LDS/763.I think a lot of developers that release videos of their products before the purchase and wish more of them would do it.TroyOh to heck with it I looked it up for youhttp://library.avsim.net/esearch.php?CatID...misc&DLID=53956Oh by the way found it in the years hottest files and that`s just the promo.;)I guess unless it`s gonna cost you 70.00 which I doubt you can see my point in costs right.Check out the video and please tell us what you think?

I have a cheaper solution for you (time as a way of rewarding those who are patient)...I never wanted to buy the 737-600/700 (the 600 is too short and ugly and the 700 alone with too few US carriers does not justify the price).You can now buy the PMDG/Aerosoft 737-800/900 stand-a-lone CD for only $39.99:), if you can wait until early January 2005:(.PC Aviator (US): http://www.pcaviator.com/shop/viewAProduct.php?pid=466orAerosoft (Europe): http://www.aerosoft.com/shop-re_s/pmdg_737...order_now_.htmlI like my Boeing's long...and my Airbus's short...(except for the Airbus 340-600)

Flight1's ATR is certainly a complex product and is quite affordable.It is not a "heavy" but with 70+ seat capacity it not a small GA either.Michael J.WinXP-Home SP2,AMD64 3500+,Abit AV8,Radeon X800Pro,36GB Raptor,1GB PC3200,Audigy 2

I recently tried to make a flight in a PSS A319. I stared at the overhead panel for 2 mins trying to remember how to turn on the APU. Only then did I realize that PMDG 737 has become my one and only choice for commercial jets on my FS. There are other excellent packages too. I have RFP...wonderful plane. But it's a bit too old and heavy for my taste. PMDG is definitely not the only good one but it is the best so far.Jason Zhang