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Try Triple-Monitors running off Triple-PCs and Triple GPUs!

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 Then I have a heat concern as the 'happy meal' wing pcs have consumer cases, poorly ventilated and poorly cooled.

 

I hear when they get too hot they can sound like a jet engine.   There in lies a problem but your sound solution as well :)

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  • Robert McDonald
    Robert McDonald

    Yes.  I have recently made a serious investment to go up to a new level in X-Plane 10.  The key element is Sim-Avionics software, which is glass cockpit stuff, plus it has it's own flight model.  You

  • Robert McDonald
    Robert McDonald

    Newest short vid demo of Glass Cockpit from FlightDeckSolutions Sim-Avionics and triple-screen triple-pc exterior displays 180-degree Field of View (FOV).       Currently using Saitek Radio Panel

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I hear when they get too hot they can sound like a jet engine.   There in lies a problem but your sound solution as well :)

 

That's funny!  I don't care WHO you are!!

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One quick question what are you using to communicate with ATC (Com1, com2, nav1, nav2, sqwuak, etc) as far as hardware goes? Do you have a full lower pedestal or is that in the works?

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Newest short vid demo of Glass Cockpit from FlightDeckSolutions Sim-Avionics and triple-screen triple-pc exterior displays 180-degree Field of View (FOV).

 

 

One quick question what are you using to communicate with ATC (Com1, com2, nav1, nav2, sqwuak, etc) as far as hardware goes? Do you have a full lower pedestal or is that in the works?

 

Currently using Saitek Radio Panel, works well and BIG numbers, easy to read.  BIG knobs, easy to turn.

Would love to have the full lower pedestal, but that's down the road.  Switching out the wing PCs video cards to 4GB Vram GTX780s with 750 watt Corsair PSUs.

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VERY nice video there. What would be awesome would be a complete cold and dark startup on the pilotedge network gate to gate atc video??? You said you have an actual physical overhead panel cause I didn't see anything in the video regarding that portion of the flight deck? Keep up the good work and the videos coming. IT'S AWESOME! ! !

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VERY nice video there. What would be awesome would be a complete cold and dark startup on the pilotedge network gate to gate atc video??? You said you have an actual physical overhead panel cause I didn't see anything in the video regarding that portion of the flight deck? Keep up the good work and the videos coming. IT'S AWESOME! ! !

 

I no longer own the scaled-down VRinsight 737 overhead.  The FlightDeckSolutions model is FULL SIZE and is an astounding piece of hardware, but it is CAD 4000.  That was enough to stop me.  But if we're DREAMING, well now!  Thanks for the kind compliment.  Making videos is a goal.  It's a BIG time-burner though.  Cheers.

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I was looking through the sim avionics manual for the pc requirements and couldn't find a detailed answer. Are there any recommended pc requirements to run Sim Avionics? I see you are running yours on a HP All In One? I have an I7-2600K w/ GTX 670 computer right now. I was planning on using that computer for Sim Avionics and buying another computer for the three screen visual ( I7 4770K w/ 6GB Titan). Just trying to take it one step at a time.

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I was looking through the sim avionics manual for the pc requirements and couldn't find a detailed answer. Are there any recommended pc requirements to run Sim Avionics? I see you are running yours on a HP All In One? I have an I7-2600K w/ GTX 670 computer right now. I was planning on using that computer for Sim Avionics and buying another computer for the three screen visual ( I7 4770K w/ 6GB Titan). Just trying to take it one step at a time.

 

Sim Avionics has 'pieces' of software so that you can connect it to different displays.  In a higher level of simming, you would have a separate monitor for the PFD/ND, another for the EICAS, and so on.  To be clear, SA (SA="Sim-Avionics) has a SERVER piece, then several other pieces, a virtual overhead, a virtual FMC, a virtual MCP, a virtual clock, ND, PFD, etcetera. 

 

Your current system is very nice indeed.  The way I built my current setup the HP ROVE (about $970 at Costco) 20" has an infinite number of positions because it has a built in tilt up stand, that can go from completely horizontal to a much higher angle when fully tilted upwards.

 

In my system, the i7 2600k 4.73 with Titan is driving the center screen and XPlane at 4.73GHZ (overclocked).  My old XPS9000 with i7 at stock speeds and a Msi GTX660 is driving the SERVER piece of SA, and also runs the RW hardware FDS CDU which in essence is a VGA monitor (1024x760) on a small screen (see my third video in this thread).  At times I use this same PC to run the SA Virtual Overhead.

 

The Rove 20" is running the PFD/ND/EICAS customized arrangement with the Virtual Flaps Guage (all part of SA) and directly below that, also on the ROVE is the virtual MCP panel.  In the real world, this arrangement is backwards, the MCP would be on top, the PFD/ND would be underneath it.  Since the ROVE is a touch screen, it is possible to manually tap things to change them, but honestly speaking, using the wireless mouse is faster and more precise.  The "next step" would be to remove the Virtual MCP and use my VRinsight MCP II (Boeing) hardware.  That piece of kit is being programmed by a buddy as we speak.  When he has all the coding finished, that will be my play.

 

I have a pair of Msi Gamer GTX 770s coming for the wing pcs, principally because they have 4GB Vram on board.  Because I have elected to pile the HD Mesh and some photo-realistic sceneries in my setup, the WING pcs (NOT the TITAN PC) sometimes overload as the texture buffers fill and need to be flushed.  This causes a (temporary but severe) stutter or unacceptable frames rate (sub 20) on the wings.  This behavior did not start until I piled the freeware HD texture tiles and some other very complex scenery into my customized scenery folder.

 

Important empirical tip:  Make sure you put XP folder beneath your C: drive or in some other "unprotected" location on your system.  Placing it only on your DESKTOP you may experience strange behavior when you try to move or modify files within the XP folder, an offshoot of Windows security.  At least that was my experience.  I would try to delete this file or that, and it would magically 'reappear'.  Once I moved XP to be off the desktop and placed the XP Folder beneath the main  drive letter, this strange behavior stopped.

 

As I said previously, the 'ideal' setup for triple displays in XP (long-term) would be three Titans running off 3 PCs.  That is a pricey path though.  My wing PCs are Dell XPS 8500s, that model has been superceded (now) by the XPS 8700.  Those have i5 CPUs and are not overclock capable AFAIK.  The stock power supply is only 460 watts, thus I am upgrading the PSU to 750 on them to drive the Msi GTX 770 Gamer GPU cards.  The Msi "Twin Frozr" cooling fans/pipes are the best air-cooling solution I've found for graphics cards.  The 770s have recently dropped in price about $384 after 15 mfg rebate.  There are two models one with 4GB and one with 2.  Of course 4GB is the only logical choice for me.  

 R. Scott McDonald  B738/L   Information is anecdotal only-without guarantee & user assumes all risks of use thereof.                                               

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Sim Avionics has 'pieces' of software so that you can connect it to different displays.  In a higher level of simming, you would have a separate monitor for the PFD/ND, another for the EICAS, and so on.  To be clear, SA (SA="Sim-Avionics) has a SERVER piece, then several other pieces, a virtual overhead, a virtual FMC, a virtual MCP, a virtual clock, ND, PFD, etcetera. 

 

Your current system is very nice indeed.  The way I built my current setup the HP ROVE (about $970 at Costco) 20" has an infinite number of positions because it has a built in tilt up stand, that can go from completely horizontal to a much higher angle when fully tilted upwards.

 

In my system, the i7 2600k 4.73 with Titan is driving the center screen and XPlane at 4.73GHZ (overclocked).  My old XPS9000 with i7 at stock speeds and a Msi GTX660 is driving the SERVER piece of SA, and also runs the RW hardware FDS CDU which in essence is a VGA monitor (1024x760) on a small screen (see my third video in this thread).  At times I use this same PC to run the SA Virtual Overhead.

 

The Rove 20" is running the PFD/ND/EICAS customized arrangement with the Virtual Flaps Guage (all part of SA) and directly below that, also on the ROVE is the virtual MCP panel.  In the real world, this arrangement is backwards, the MCP would be on top, the PFD/ND would be underneath it.  Since the ROVE is a touch screen, it is possible to manually tap things to change them, but honestly speaking, using the wireless mouse is faster and more precise.  The "next step" would be to remove the Virtual MCP and use my VRinsight MCP II (Boeing) hardware.  That piece of kit is being programmed by a buddy as we speak.  When he has all the coding finished, that will be my play.

 

I have a pair of Msi Gamer GTX 770s coming for the wing pcs, principally because they have 4GB Vram on board.  Because I have elected to pile the HD Mesh and some photo-realistic sceneries in my setup, the WING pcs (NOT the TITAN PC) sometimes overload as the texture buffers fill and need to be flushed.  This causes a (temporary but severe) stutter or unacceptable frames rate (sub 20) on the wings.  This behavior did not start until I piled the freeware HD texture tiles and some other very complex scenery into my customized scenery folder.

 

Important empirical tip:  Make sure you put XP folder beneath your C: drive or in some other "unprotected" location on your system.  Placing it only on your DESKTOP you may experience strange behavior when you try to move or modify files within the XP folder, an offshoot of Windows security.  At least that was my experience.  I would try to delete this file or that, and it would magically 'reappear'.  Once I moved XP to be off the desktop and placed the XP Folder beneath the main  drive letter, this strange behavior stopped.

 

As I said previously, the 'ideal' setup for triple displays in XP (long-term) would be three Titans running off 3 PCs.  That is a pricey path though.  My wing PCs are Dell XPS 8500s, that model has been superceded (now) by the XPS 8700.  Those have i5 CPUs and are not overclock capable AFAIK.  The stock power supply is only 460 watts, thus I am upgrading the PSU to 750 on them to drive the Msi GTX 770 Gamer GPU cards.  The Msi "Twin Frozr" cooling fans/pipes are the best air-cooling solution I've found for graphics cards.  The 770s have recently dropped in price about $384 after 15 mfg rebate.  There are two models one with 4GB and one with 2.  Of course 4GB is the only logical choice for me.  

So you say the MCP II is currently being programmed to work in X Plane 10 with Sim Avionics, correct? Do you have a current ETA on this? The MCP with the CDU from VrInsight will be very one nice setup. Can't Wait!

Justin Wheat

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So you say the MCP II is currently being programmed to work in X Plane 10 with Sim Avionics, correct? Do you have a current ETA on this? The MCP with the CDU from VrInsight will be very one nice setup. Can't Wait!

 

The Sim Avionics dev team is 'looking' at the VRinsight MCP Combo II (they presently already support it's predecessor).  Nothing "official" yet.

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Hi, May thanks for your vids, amazing! What FPS are you getting, for example around the demo airport?

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I will have to do some test flights.  I just upped the ante on the wing PCs.

 

Added 750 watt Corsair power supplies in lieu of 460 watt Dell XPS 8500 stock PSU.  Replaced Dell Stock GPU with GTX660, then swapped those out to Msi Gamer GTX770 OC 4GB DDR-5 to match up better with the center PC GTX Titan (6GB DDR5).

 

Frames are pretty decent, but some trades have to be made.  HDR had to be switched off being the main concession.

 

But generally frames are very high I would say 40+ up to 100+ depending on the complexity of the scenery being drawn, and the SkyMaxx weather rendering.  God Rays is OFF in SkyMax, and most settings are dialed down a bit, as I also use HD Mesh.

 

Never thought about being a computer engineer... now I "ARE" one.  Prices fluctuate quite a bit on the Video cards.  I was fortunate and caught one on the Jeff Bezos' site below 400 (after rebate).  I am quite impressed with the Msi brand of video cards.  Their 'twin-frozr' dual cooling pipes and twin fans is a GREAT way to minimize heat- and best solution I've found to date. Their GAMER edition cards are already overclocked "stock" and whisper quiet.  The Corsair PSU (750M) is semi-modular, and fits in the same spot that the midget DELL stock PSU goes.  Space is at a premium in the happy-meal over-the-counter PCs.  Yes, I built the 'main' box.  That's a lot less fun 'lately'.  I'd rather be flying.

 

Cheers.

 R. Scott McDonald  B738/L   Information is anecdotal only-without guarantee & user assumes all risks of use thereof.                                               

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$ , If I could that, bet it's fun.

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It's a challenge, and it rated pretty high on the stressometer.  OTOH, it was worth it, once I finished doing the upgrades.

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Important news!  X-Aviation informed me this morning that Skymaxx Pro ver. 1.1 has just been released (this is a free upgrade for all 1.0 Skymaxx Pro owners, and includes several important fixes, most-notably, the "frames hit" that was part and parcel of the initial release is no longer an issue.

 

Translation:  insanely beautiful clouds, apparently gets rid of sudden complete GRAY SCREENS in XP10 (a HUGE bonus), God Rays can be left operational (the sunbeams coming down through heavy dark clouds)... now rating this add-on as a "must own"...  FYI.

 R. Scott McDonald  B738/L   Information is anecdotal only-without guarantee & user assumes all risks of use thereof.                                               

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