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Darned. After posting my Back to reality post, I installed OpusFSX because the new beta has an option for the Volumetric fog. Great! So I set up a flight for my A2A C172, took of towards a sky filled with clouds and after a minute...

 

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And that after in fact lowering my settings...!

 

Now this error may be due to OpusFSX (adding too much clouds maybe? Or perhaps OpusFSX is buggy?) but still... this is a big show stopper, of course. If going Back to reality brings me Back to hell... I am losing hope fast. Never ever had this in FSX. I own a GTX580 and maybe a GTX780 will solve this but who can guarantee that?

 

Bummer. Huge disappointment. As others posted a few times already: things may be fine with default stuff but what happens when you start using addons? Well, this, apparently...?

 

LOL Within one day I posted a topic called 'Jaw-dropping' followed by 'Back to reality' and now 'Back to hell'. I hope the line downwards stops here. :P

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Welcome back B) .

 

LOL Thanks. ^_^

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I've sort of got to the 'hmmm' stage now really. I am trying to stay optimistic and will hold onto my purchase, at least for now, but I have to say I sort of hoped it would have been...well, tested.

 

Just had a little fly around EGCC in FSX with the Airbus X and had it FPS locked with that DXTory app and I have to say it was pleasantly smooth about getting about 25 ish and that's with a AMD 8350 / 660GTX.

 

I really hope LM get their act together quickly as i'm not sure how long I can stay optimistic and I bought the pro version, so £125 ain't chicken feed.

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I can't use opus either, mainly as it seems to generate too complex cloud systems and my fps tanks. But the Orbx weather themes are bloody impressive in it, so I'm not sure I need the add-ons.

 

Also today I linked V2 to the old aerosoft Paris Orly airport. I saw 13fps, my god. That was in the default Carenado 36..

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I am trying to stay optimistic and will hold onto my purchase, at least for now, but I have to say I sort of hoped it would have been...well, tested.

 

Well, I have to say that right now I am also keeping an eye on the calender... Things really have to improve the coming two months because as it is now, P3D is becoming a bit useless. Apparently I have to lower my settings to FSX standards (including lower radius which will introduce more popping up of autogen again). Or I only have to use default planes and default weather...?

 

I will do the exact same flight again but now without OpusFSX. I did install REX clouds today but they look like crap without a good weather engine, which is why I installed OpusFSX. I will see what happens without it, but I don't want to be stuck with default weather, really. .

 

I will postpone my GPU purchase plans, that's for sure.

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adding pmdg and all of ORBX as well as opus will get inetersting

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Sorry mate but I do find this a bit funny.

 

Can I suggest as the only really good thing that's come from P3D for me is it made me buy Global.

Install fsx again/global....enjoy. Come back to P3d in a good few months. Try NY in fsx at max setting works well. O and no oom's

if you add fsdream team KJFK to that you WILL be blown away.

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adding pmdg and all of ORBX as well as opus will get inetersting

No Kidding, people may actually go to FSX to get decent frame rates :blink:

 

Talk about irony!

Sorry mate but I do find this a bit funny.

 

Can I suggest as the only really good thing that's come from P3D for me is it made me buy Global.

Install fsx again/global....enjoy. Come back to P3d in a good few months. Try NY in fsx at max setting works well. O and no oom's

The problem with P3D is it doesn't actually appear to have been Beta tested at all, or maybe we're the Beta team? who knows.

 

I expected, I know its a daft idea, that Lockheed Martin, a huge contractor in the aviation field, would have thoroughly tested their program and had it working 'out of the box' properly. It feels to some degree, though not as bad, like FSX again.

 

Like I said, I've got 60days but so have LM.

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adding pmdg and all of ORBX as well as opus will get inetersting

 

I have FTX Global installed, flew the A2A C172, use REX clouds (only clouds, nothing else) and apparently adding OpusFSX to the mix was too much already. Don't think the PMDG will work. ^_^ At least not with my setup. But as I said, I don't want to spend money on my PC just for P3D if I can't be sure it will have an effect. At first I was uncertain if I would gain performance: I now know I will. But now I am uncertain if I will be able to keep the sim running, even with a GTX780.

 

 

Sorry mate but I do find this a bit funny.

 

LOL No need to feel sorry. Although I am of course disappointed I am also amused by my own initial enthusiasm and my current view on it all. :rolleyes: However, I don't feel like going back to FSX. If this doesn't work out, I might quit simming altogether. I've been going up and down too often, been going from hope to despair and back again more often then I want: I want this sim to work and if it doesn't, I'll find something else to to.

 

I don't even feel like doing that same flight again, as I posted just now. I will wait for the first updates from LM.

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Adding Opus / REX Clouds didn't give me as much of a performance hit as i was thinking it would FPS wise. As for OOM's they are consistently appearing both with Opus/Rex and default. 

 

I honestly doubt that a new graphics card will remedy the OOM's. I'm sitting on a 7970 Toxic with 6GB VRam.

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It's weird sometimes. Save your flight, Delete your shaders, reboot pc and start again. It might improve the situation. It has done for me, which says something

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I think a lot of people were surprised at how short the Beta Test was. I hope 2.1 comes out fairly quickly and corrects some problems and adds SLI support. I'm afraid that some of the problems are simply endemic to the parts of the FSX engine that have been ported into P3D.

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I have been vigorously testing cards, overclocking and my payware aircraft, primarily my Carenado Malibu and at times its great but then it starts chopping and finally freezes. 

 

Currently I'm running my Phenom AMD Processor 6 cores at between 3.7 to 4.0 GHZ and I have tested 3 video cards, GTX 460, GTX 670 and AMD R9 260x. It does appear to be all about the card and unless you can drop some serious bucks I don't think your going to be consistently happy.

 

Seriously considering just going back to FSX as I am currently working on my IFR Rating and I need my performance to be reliable. 

 

Dont know what to think. 

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I've been tinkering and have pretty much found the slider limits that will keep me OOM-free.  I'm at a point where P3Dv2 looks better than FSX and flies far more smoothly, making me very pleased with the purchase.

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I have ordered a new video card, a 780Ti no less, in an attempt to make it work well enough to be my main sim.  Not everybody is in a position to spend that kind of cash, but since I have had my current cards for about two years, it is worth it for me. I very much want P3D to succeed for the future of the hobby. Right now FSX is still better for me and what I want out of a flight sim. but I am going to do my best to give P3D every chance to impress me.

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Darned. After posting my Back to reality post, I installed OpusFSX because the new beta has an option for the Volumetric fog. Great! So I set up a flight for my A2A C172, took of towards a sky filled with clouds and after a minute...

 

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And that after in fact lowering my settings...!

 

Now this error may be due to OpusFSX (adding too much clouds maybe? Or perhaps OpusFSX is buggy?) but still... this is a big show stopper, of course. If going Back to reality brings me Back to hell... I am losing hope fast. Never ever had this in FSX. I own a GTX580 and maybe a GTX780 will solve this but who can guarantee that?

 

Bummer. Huge disappointment. As others posted a few times already: things may be fine with default stuff but what happens when you start using addons? Well, this, apparently...?

 

LOL Within one day I posted a topic called 'Jaw-dropping' followed by 'Back to reality' and now 'Back to hell'. I hope the line downwards stops here. :P

 

And guys call women fickle! :)  

 

Seriously, you really need to have a little patience . . . P3D 2.0 hasn't even been out a full week yet (and this past week was a 3-day work week for many US companies, as Thanksgiving was on Thursday), 

 

Upgrading to a 780 would improve your FPS, but your OOM message might have been caused because your settings were still too high, which caused you to run out of system memory. My 780 gives me a steady 50-60 FPS (outside of large cities), but I can still an get OOM crash if I have stuff like cloud density set too high. Reducing a few settings a bit got rid of my OOM issues, and P3D STILL looks way better than FSX.  I'm still loving P3D because I'm not trying to run it at the edge of what a 32-bit program can handle. 

 

But my only addons are FTX: Global and A2A's Piper Cub . . . I'm waiting for BOTH LM and the 3rd party developers to work out the kinks in v.2.0 before I add anything else.  FTX runs fine (no crash issues for me), but there are still some graphic glitches that they are trying to figure out. I would have bought A2A's C172 Trainer on day one, but it is not yet fully compatible with P3D v.2. 

 

P3D v.2 really needs to be 64-bit to run with some of the higher settings cranked up, and I'm sure that will eventually happen. The 4GB system memory limitation is what is now holding back the graphics. LM will likely be able to better optimize this in the coming weeks.

 

I'm VERY happy with what LM has released already.  It runs fine for me, because I'm running it at settings that can handle the 4GB of system memory limit, AND I've left all the settings alone and am just enjoying flying,  I'm also very optimistic about the future of P3D, as it is only going to get better.  I bet we see v.2.1 released in the very near future.

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Gets more interesting every day.  I will continue to wait until Q1 to see what happens once PMDG comes out with their P3D compatible aircraft.  This whole things makes me think that if everyone put their full effort into developments for X-Plane, we would not be having any of these OOM conversations right now.

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I have ordered a new video card, a 780Ti no less, in an attempt to make it work well enough to be my main sim.  Not everybody is in a position to spend that kind of cash, but since I have had my current cards for about two years, it is worth it for me. I very much want P3D to succeed for the future of the hobby. Right now FSX is still better for me and what I want out of a flight sim. but I am going to do my best to give P3D every chance to impress me.

The thing is if I absolutely knew that getting something like a 780 would be the be all and end all, and would allow me to run P3D fully with add-ons etc I'd get one, but at the moment I don't and its expensive.

 

That's the thing its a moving target at the moment, I could get a 780 and then find that with complex add-one, sceneries etc you still blow through your VRAM limit or it's just not sufficient.

 

I'll keep my 660 for the time being, if I don't see any improvement in another 53 days i'll cash in and purchase when cards, and P3D, have improved sufficiently, probably.

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The way this whole P3D thing is unfolding is hilarious... and oh-so predictable. For weeks leading up to the release, it was the Second Coming, but  very, very quickly it's become the arrival of the AntiChrist (forgive the religious bent of that; Im an atheist). Now c'mon, we've seen this before, right?

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Just flew with a heavy Orbx weather theme instead of OpusFSX (yes, I knew I said I wouldn't but I can't help myself LOL) and when I entered the clouds fsp went down to 17...?!? This isn't going too well. And yes, we've seen this before. ^_^ I sort of was hoping this wouldn't happen, obviously LOL. The next time a new sim comes around, remind me not too test it in one or two particular default situations but to simply fly as I want to: that's the only way to find out if things work or not.

 

I will await LM's patches.

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I say "SO WHAT". We are humans, we are reacting as we should, with emotion. I'm sure things will get better but it is absolutely a moving target, I found the lower end Radeon R9 260x is out performing the 760 which probably has to do with the way it processes memory. 64 bit is the answer and a new code base which is probably some time out, in the mean time its here for us to complain about. 

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That's the thing its a moving target at the moment, I could get a 780 and then find that with complex add-one, sceneries etc you still blow through your VRAM limit or it's just not sufficient.

I'll keep my 660 for the time being, if I don't see any improvement in another 53 days i'll cash in and purchase when cards, and P3D, have improved sufficiently, probably.

 

Agreed. That's how I am looking at this too right now. Goes to show how opinions can change within a day................ ^_^

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I was disappointed that my Aerosoft Cheyenne won't install, it complains about not seeing the fsx config file. But we knew some of our payware wasn't going to work. 

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I can't seem to get out of testing and doing short 5min flights to try out each setting. I have only three test flights set up to test each adjustment.

 

What's making it more time consuming is that I started in Eyefinity and then wanted to compare how it worked by using a single screen. This probably wasn't a great plan because you get to see the possibilities. I've had lots of wow moments during all this testing and that's the problem. Switching between scenarios shows up the benefits and flaws.

 

Then, because I just love Eyefinity I've got to start again. When using three screens, of course something has to give and it's about finding the maximum settings with the smoothest flight which will give a balanced optimum setting to cover all scenarios.

 

Clearly I've reached that point in FSX but it took me much longer than a few days to achieve.

 

If I was to offer a snap overview it would be this. If you go back to a clean cfg and use the default settings for your PC you get smooth flight, great lighting and cockpit shadows, volumetric clouds and fog. Autogen which goes on for ever and is really difficult to spot popping and a horizon that when seen from the air, looks so real. First impressions are amazing.

 

Then you start moving sliders to the right. And it looks even better and it's about what FPS are acceptable for smooth flight. The further to the right and the more options that you tick reduces the smoothness. And lowers the FPS. This of course is no surprise and two options are available. Option 1 is that the sim itself still needs some optimisation. Option 2 is that you need to buy the next generation hardware to slide right and tick more boxes. Of course, option 3 is to be satisfied with settings that are a little above what your used too in FSX with better performance and go fly. I'm sure I'll be getting to try option three at some point next week and will do a proper flight in both sims so that comparisons can be made.

 

It's taken me 7years to get FSX to where it is now. It's only fair that I try this one for at least a few weeks before I can offer a truly informed opinion.

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