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Milviz Bell 407 - First Impressions

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I've spent some time tonight flying this; I can definitely tell you that this is going to be my new ride for the next little bit. Very well done, Milviz.

First of, although I'm no pilot IRL, this feels very good for a FSX helicopter FDE. Fairly easy to handle, but still requires a well balanced level of control inputs. Feels like a helicopter this size should feel like - not sluggish at all, but not overpowered either. Short of an external FDE or physics addon such as HTR, thIs may just be the best feeling helicopter I've flown in FSX.

I haven't had the chance to go through systems yet, but it looks to give me all the complexity I might want, while also letting me have it load ready to fly if I wish. I haven't discovered if I can load it cold and dark and access a quick start option yet; it looks like the choice from the external manager is either cold and dark or ready to fly.

There appears to be options for RXP integration; I haven't tested that out yet, but I look forward to it. Very nice job done on all the gauges - flying with my view zoomed out to .40 is no problem; I can still read the gauges as well as the digital readouts quite well.

As for eye candy; it doesn't disappoint on that front either. Very nicely textured, I would consider it easily on par with other recent Milviz releases.

I guess you could say that I'm really very pleased. I was looking forward to this release quite a bit, and it seems to live up to any expectations I had.

Now, the only sad part is being on the road for the next several days... I wonder if my wife would let me bring my simming pc with me for the holidays!!!

 

Edit:

Also, the 498 page Bell Model 407 flight manual is a nice touch.  That said, I found it while looking for more of a product manual, which I didn't find. ^_^  I will, however be copying the flight manual to my phone so I have something to read while away from home!

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I've spent some time tonight flying this; I can definitely tell you that this is going to be my new ride for the next little bit. Very well done, Milviz.

First of, although I'm no pilot IRL, this feels very good for a FSX helicopter FDE. Fairly easy to handle, but still requires a well balanced level of control inputs. Feels like a helicopter this size should feel like - not sluggish at all, but not overpowered either. Short of an external FDE or physics addon such as HTR, thIs may just be the best feeling helicopter I've flown in FSX.

I haven't had the chance to go through systems yet, but it looks to give me all the complexity I might want, while also letting me have it load ready to fly if I wish. I haven't discovered if I can load it cold and dark and access a quick start option yet; it looks like the choice from the external manager is either cold and dark or ready to fly.

There appears to be options for RXP integration; I haven't tested that out yet, but I look forward to it. Very nice job done on all the gauges - flying with my view zoomed out to .40 is no problem; I can still read the gauges as well as the digital readouts quite well.

As for eye candy; it doesn't disappoint on that front either. Very nicely textured, I would consider it easily on par with other recent Milviz releases.

I guess you could say that I'm really very pleased. I was looking forward to this release quite a bit, and it seems to live up to any expectations I had.

Now, the only sad part is being on the road for the next several days... I wonder if my wife would let me bring my simming pc with me for the holidays!!!

 

Edit:

Also, the 498 page Bell Model 407 flight manual is a nice touch. That said, I found it while looking for more of a product manual, which I didn't find. ^_^ I will, however be copying the flight manual to my phone so I have something to read while away from home!

Thanks for the info! I was looking to buy Atleast one addon helicopter for FSX and this might be the one! If RXP integration for the GNS530 is possible than it might be a done deal!

 

But as a Noob with helicopters, I would like to ask, do you need rudder pedals for this, or do you use joystick rudder input ?

 

B.

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You can use a stick but pedals are recommended. Rxp integration is available, but not supported. There is no AP in the bird so don't expect the Garmins to "fly" the bird.

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I pre-ordered but I haven't receive any emails. Only my PayPal receipt.    

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For helicopters I prefer X-Plane... Dreamfoil 407 will be a beast! FSX for airliners...

 

 

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James please pm me.

The dreamfoil 407 is our model.

 

Ahhh, that explains why it looks so good!

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James please pm me.

The dreamfoil 407 is our model.

Crap...

 

If I had known, I would have waited for the X-Plane version...oh well, back to flying the FSX bird for now!

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I liked their AS350 - I'll probably get the 407.  The AS350 is too twitchy for me and my non helicopter controls in XP10.

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What a notice! For sure Dreamfoil will rock! The Mv model and the XP FDE by DF... An instabuy!

 

 

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Some items that may not be in the XP version but are worth a mention as they were developed for this project , Force Trim , configured to any controller button that allows hands off flight during cruise, fine trim is assigned to controller and keyboard  as well , additionally the Control Stick in the VC is " Live " and can be used with the mouse to fly the aircraft , drag functions steer and various click and wheel assignments adjust pitch , trim and centering.

 

The Extended VC allows refuelling and preflight checks to include  walkaround verification of control surfaces , exits and cowlings, and when properly trimmed the option of riding as a passenger during the trip as well . 

 

PS please note engine failure is modeled .

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I don't have this one yet, but am tempted to get it :-), for FSX!

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This ROCKS!

 

My first heli in FSX and I'm happy!

I was able to get a handle on it.

Going to need a lot of practice to do coordinated maneuvers and nice landings.

But so far I can fly around and land somewhat ok.

 

was able to get the RXP gns530 working.

As mentioned it does not give AP functions and could not get it to pop up.

Still, the GNS and its location on panel provided good situational awareness, and I can hand fly any flight plan loaded into it.

 

Can't wait to try this at night given the dX11 , not to mention I just downloaded FTX Global.

 

B.

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Glad it's being received well - it's really very well done. Can't wait to get back home in a few days so as to get flying again!

 

I'll have to fire up my laptop so as to take in the manual - I didn't come across the extended VC option the other night in my too short adventure exploring it.

 

With the mention that engine failures are modelled, I did note the other night that after I happened to over torque long enough to get an alarm, that a caution light stayed on, and that the bar portion of the gauge started bouncing. I hadn't had a chance to check that in the flight manual yet, but I was planning on it.

 

The one thing that I did notice the other night but forgot to mention - I use my x52 throttle axis as the controller, but with the axis reversed, so that full forward is full down on the collective. I noticed that when I loaded up the model with the controller full forward, that the model wanted to initially set the collective full up, with the result that it would lift off immediately unless I moved the controller slightly. Not sure why, I was going to play with this a bit more.

 

(By the way, if anyone is using an x52 throttle as a collective, there's a really simple mod around to remove the detents from the throttle action. Requires opening it up, but it's very well worth it.)

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I hate to be a NOOB, but is there a way to set the Force Trim in Fsx to a joystick ?..

I don't see the corresponding setting in FSX setup.

 

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There's an option to set the Force Trim to a button in the setup panel that you can find on your desktop. I believe the option was located in a drop down menu in the top left corner.

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For helicopters I fly in DCS World. Real FDE & systems + grate damage model.

The sim is free, with SU-25T & you can get the "hardcore" UH-1 Huey or Mi-8 for 20 bucks now.

I can never go back to FSX for flying helicopters now :wink: 

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I've been flying in DCS lately as well; I had picked up almost all of the modules on sale. I've only had a chance to put some hours on the Huey thus far.

 

However great the FDE might be (and personally, I think my controllers may not be up to the requirements of the Huey) there are still major compelling reasons for me to fly helicopters in FSX - overall selection and an incredibly large civil environment with which to fly them.

 

Also, and I'll be completely honest here, flying helicopters in DCS is almost borderline to too much effort - a couple of hours in the Huey and I'm darn near sweating and definitely exhausted afterwards! Contrasting that with spending a few very enjoyable hours in the 407 the other night, where I finished flying for the night and thought to myself 'Wow, I can't wait to do that again!'.

 

Not trying to be too much of a fan here, but although FSX deservedly gets a bad rap for its helicopter physics, Milviz has managed to do a great job here; it's a slight injustice to write it off as a 'FSX' helicopter and therefore not worthy in some way.

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There's an option to set the Force Trim to a button in the setup panel that you can find on your desktop. I believe the option was located in a drop down menu in the top left corner.

 

Great!! Thanks for the information !

 

B.

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I'm a great admirer of DCS too, not only for the helicopters but also for the p51d.

 

I have used DSC for quite a while, but quited because, although it has, IMO, now paired by IL2 BOS, the best flight dynamics available, the purpose of those simulators is far from what I like to use a flight simulator for... I eventually gave up flying circuits in the p51d, uh-1h and mi-8 - got tired of it, and of knowing I wasn't really using the other 85% of the sime that it's there but I do not really want to use :-/

 

X-Plane 10 and FSX are then my choices for flying GA aircraft. Helicopters are thought to be modelled rather well in X-Plane 10, but I honestly think that either by using an external FDE ( easier now with P3Dv2 ) or a well designed and gauge/ DLL added model in FSX, we can certainly have here too a very good compromise between plausible rotary wing dynamics and the joy of flying anywhere in the World, using navaids and seeing places we're familiar with :-)

 

I am seriously considering this Bell 407, and my only problem now is the choice of the version. There's a problem here for me because most devs are making available versions taht one can fly both in FSX and P3Dv2, but this particular add-on has separate versions, and, I am still using ( and very satisfeied with ) fsx in dx10 mode, I tried P3Dv2 and liked it but also know that my system will need an upgrade to be able to use it at it's best, so, buying now for FSX can be a loss of money if anytime soon I decide to move to P3Dv2, and buying the version for the two platforms is expensive, IMO :-/

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Looks very nice indeed, but I dunno, 40$? 60$? prices gone crazy lately. Same for the metroliner, being 50$ and 70$. Quite out of my spectrum I'm afraid. At least good to hear that it's good. :)

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I'm going to jump on this one right away...

 

Though you (and others) might feel that prices have all of the sudden gone crazy...  the amount of detail, work, effort and quality that goes into (ours as I won't/can't speak for other devs) product(s) is IMMENSE and, over the past 4 years has doubled and in some cases, tripled.  Without the (expected) increase in price.

 

I apologize but at the same time, if we want to stay in business... we have no choice at all...

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I'm going to jump on this one right away...

 

Though you (and others) might feel that prices have all of the sudden gone crazy...  the amount of detail, work, effort and quality that goes into (ours as I won't/can't speak for other devs) product(s) is IMMENSE and, over the past 4 years has doubled and in some cases, tripled.  Without the (expected) increase in price.

 

I apologize but at the same time, if we want to stay in business... we have no choice at all...

 

Personally, I feel the 407 is clearly worth the asking price for the FSX version. Especially compared to other products on the market. Between the Reality XP integration, configuration manager, night lighting, and the immersive feel, it's a winner! This is my first FSX heli, and I am very pleased! Just did a 70 mile flight in Africa in the 407 and between the FTX global, REX, and ASN it was simply amazing.

 

Use of the force trim is very helpful!!! Doh!

I would say the 407 is very fly able with a joystick with rudder control.

My observation is that unlike a GA plane, you have to really pay attention at all times to the heli. Basic flight demands a lot of concentration and there is not much time to play with knobs, GPS, or anything else.

 

But with the 407, I am learning how to use my forward inertia and vertical speed to control it. Finally did my best landing yet and landed right on the edge of a small helipad.

With the torque at 37 percent, I was just able to keep enough forward motion to make a slow descent onto the pad. Sweating bullets the whole way down and one of the first times I ever really needed the radar indicator.

 

B.

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