Lockheed Releases P3D V2.1

[Guest]

I guess your PC is still intact and inside the building, Jeroen?

 

LOL Yes. I even bought FTX NCA this afternoon and actually finished a half hour flight with autogen at a whopping Very dense. In the A2A C172. Computers... you gotta love 'm.

[FINXPAS 5]

 

IT is Information Technology, it's not software engineering ... two VERY different worlds with different experience and skill sets.

 

 

Software engineering is a subset of IT (hardware and software).  You can't be a software engineer without a grasp of hardware limitations.... I don't get your different worlds comment.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_technology

In a business context, the Information Technology Association of America has defined information technology as "the study, design, development, application, implementation, support or management of computer-based information systems".^[5]The responsibilities of those working in the field include network administration, software development and installation, and the planning and management of an organization's technology life cycle, by which hardware and software is maintained, upgraded and replaced.

 

 

 

... maybe its just a question of definition... or context ?

[greengriffon 51]

Software engineering is a subset of IT (hardware and software).  You can't be a software engineer without a grasp of hardware limitations.... I don't get your different worlds comment.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_technology

 

 

... maybe its just a question of definition... or context ?

 

 

I'll have to agree with you FINXPAS. Saying they're two different worlds is like saying Oncology is a whole different world from Medicine.

 

To that I say, "Huh?".

[Guest]

 You can't be a software engineer without a grasp of hardware limitations

 

 

Actually yes you can, but I'm not sure where you are going with this to be honest nor how it's really relevant to P3DV2.1? 

 

Best analogy I can come up with for you is a "Doctor" ... do you go to a brain surgeon to have a tooth filled or do you go to a dentist?  Both are Doctors, yet they have VERY different skill sets and one may know very little about teeth, while the other is an expert about teeth.  

 

Software Engineering is very much in a similar vein, you have UI engineers, you have embedded engineers, you have systems engineers, you have applications engineers, you have graphics engineers, etc. etc.  

 

Software engineers create/build the software IT professional use to manage the hardware (database servers, web servers, etc.).  Electrical/Electronics engineers build the hardware that software engineers program on/for, scientists come up with the physics/ideas that EE's turn into a reality.  But in every step of the way, there are specialist in each field, just as there are specialist in Medicine (Doctors).

 

 

there is nothing wrong with being patient right now.

 

 

I completely agree with this, patients ... it will come.  But lets not forget it is still being developed, V2.1 is by NO means the "final frontier".  No matter if you love or hate 64bit, LM are committed to a 32bit stable platform to aid in the transition over to a long term plan of a 64bit platform (whenever that may be).  Obviously nothing in life is "certain", but the more continued support of the "here and now", and the more "likely" we'll see that future come to fruition.

 

Nothing wrong with saying what you do or don't like about V2.0 or V2.1, but there is little point in "all or nothing" doomsday type of comments and suggesting LM programmers are lazy or incompetent.  

 

As Tom hinted, peace out, be patient, and go enjoy whatever flying you can on whatever platform you want.

 

:Peace:

 

Cheers, Rob.

[LTPuce 5]

J van E if LM give v3.0 we have to start again every time to be patient because LM want to start again.

 

Rob good point but why wait to fly good after I pay $200.00 LM need to ask $200.00 after P3D work good not before that is wrong.

 

Never before I buy a game for $200.00 with problem like that.

 

Game sell for $60.00 around when ready in store or online I am not mad but I will ask refund from store if I buy game at $60.00 with problem like P3D. 

 

Olga Vankranendonk.

[LHookins 3,103]

 

 

you have embedded engineers, you have systems engineers, you have applications engineers

 

... you have consultants who do all of the above, walking in cold to hardware and operating systems they've never seen before in an application domain they know nothing about, and have to be productive within days.  Then you have to have managers who know a lot about all these things, although they no longer do them themselves.  Oh, and don't forget about technical writers who make the documentation.  Sometimes you work on large projects in large groups, sometimes you're on your own.

 

I did everything but graphics (unless it was ink on a drawing board) and networking (unless I was writing the network code myself.)

 

As someone who has gotten his hands dirty in code his entire career, I have no problems with someone saying programmers can be lazy. 

 

Hook

[Guest]

Sorry you paid $200 Olga and was disappointed, but LM did and do offer it for only $10 (to try for 1 month) which you can cancel at any time ... so you can't really be "mad" at LM for that.

 

If you are looking for a product that "just works", then you might want to wait and monitor the communities reaction after each release and see if you want to try it again at a later date.

 

As someone who has gotten his hands dirty in code his entire career, I have no problems with someone saying programmers can be lazy. 

 

Neither do I, but the original comment was directed at LM (in a thread about P3DV2.1) ... do you know any of the LM engineers/managers/scientists working on this project personally?  Have you seen any of their code or operated in a code review process with any of them?

 

Have you coded a flight simulator?

 

As far as consultants, our mileage has varied with them, some good, some not so good and some get the job done but leave a product (or a coded feature) that no one can maintain because it's done with the idea of get in and get out ... I'm just a consultant.  So we get horrible code that follows no standards and doesn't integrate with anything and has little or no re-use value.  Now, does that mean ALL consultants are lazy, nope not at all, but it does mean some consultants have no long term vested interest and they get paid by the hour, so the shortest route from A to B is done.  This is NOT the situation at LM, they are not consultants.

[ChaoticBeauty 6,692]

Sorry you paid $200 Olga and was disappointed, but LM did and do offer it for only $10 (to try for 1 month) which you can cancel at any time ... so you can't really be "mad" at LM for that.

 

This licence is meant for developers, nobody else.

[LHookins 3,103]

 

 

Have you code a flight simulator?

 

No, but I coded payroll.  In only one of these fields can someone get fined or sent to jail because of errors.

 

Hook

[Glynn 405]

This licence is meant for developers, nobody else.

 

LM are not quite so uptight about it.

 

>Anyone can work on becoming a Prepar3D® Developer. No matter if you are a seasoned developer, or just starting out, we want to encourage you to develop for Prepar3D.

Source : http://www.prepar3d.com/product-overview/prepar3d-license-comparison/

Fire up an Afcad editor, add some parking spots to your home airport and you're golden

[FINXPAS 5]

... you have consultants who do all of the above, walking in cold to hardware and operating systems they've never seen before in an application domain they know nothing about, and have to be productive within days.  Then you have to have managers who know a lot about all these things, although they no longer do them themselves.  Oh, and don't forget about technical writers who make the documentation.  Sometimes you work on large projects in large groups, sometimes you're on your own.

 

I did everything but graphics (unless it was ink on a drawing board) and networking (unless I was writing the network code myself.)

 

As someone who has gotten his hands dirty in code his entire career, I have no problems with someone saying programmers can be lazy. 

 

Hook

 

I think he views IT as an integration platform where hardware and software pieces are assembled together to deal with enterprise level needs.

 

Software engineer would be the guy building software components required by a specific software project. Still fits in the IT box... ?!?!

 

Depending on the size of the company... you might see the same guy coding in C++ and stabilizing a network

[TurboTomato 90]

No, but I coded payroll.  In only one of these fields can someone get fined or sent to jail because of errors.

 

Hook

 

OT I know, but - snap! I'm a coder on a UK payroll product  :biggrin:

[LHookins 3,103]

 

 

I'm a coder on a UK payroll product

 

You have my deepest sympathies.

 

Do you keep a cot in the office so you can stay overnight to monitor end of quarter and end of year processing?  Or do you just make the software and not get burdened with running it?

 

Hook

[TurboTomato 90]

You have my deepest sympathies.

 

Do you keep a cot in the office so you can stay overnight to monitor end of quarter and end of year processing?  Or do you just make the software and not get burdened with running it?

 

Hook

 

I just make it, rather than actually using it

 

The tax body in the UK, HMRC, has made it rather easier for payrollers recently in terms of year end by introducing something called RTI (Real Time Information) where year end-type data is submitted to them electronically throughout the year, doing away with the the need for a huge year end submission. Our payroll product is pretty mature and now well QA'd so big panics around year end are now pretty much a thing of the past.

 

Apologies for being waaaaaaay OT btw!

[LTPuce 5]

Rob so I get developer license P3D will fly good.

 

Developer license cheaper or pro license $200.00 P3D fly the same money is not why P3D not working good.

 

I am not mad my money is in bank account because of refund paying $200.00 is ok for me if P3D fly good not because addon not working with P3D or cheaper license.

 

People buy right now because maybe P3D will work good one day like stock market?

 

P3D is not ok for me LM make P3D good one day and me buying again is how selling and buying is not other way around but if people want P3D now and complain and tweak is ok too.

 

Olga Vankranendonk