I want to share this unusual default FSX ATC situation with you. 

 

I came across this scenario  by chance while flying EIDW EVRA with default ATC and default AI Traffic. While on descend there was an AI NGX approaching to land. FSX ATC routed it ahead of me to land and ATC asked me to go around, screenshot:

 

https://db.tt/lGW6mX9v

 

IRL the controller should have said "772 heavy follow the NGX on finals, expect late landing clearance" rather than clearing 2 aircrafts to land at the same time.

 

I was doing manual landing so was caught out the first time, the go around procedure was a bit messy and it prompted me to look up the FCTM for it. To help you guys try it if you are interested I've enclosed the relevant save files and I'm not sure if the AI will appear on your setup. It repeated every time on mine.

 

https://db.tt/YTl3WjAj zip file

 

BTW, do you guys encountered similar situations at other airports to share? 

 

Happy flying!

 

 

Francis Leung

Hate to nit pick but only pmdg product is an NGX, otherwise it's just an NG. sorry, I just feel I have to correct people when they refer to a 737-6/7/8/900 as NGX instead of NG

Tks Bryan, I guess we have been so absorbed into PMDG that the line in the sand between simulation and real life has become blurry 

 

Francis

The terminology used by ATC, is due to the way it's coded. Microsoft decided to use the FAA method of ATC communication everywhere in the (virtual) world.

Getting a landing clearance while being number 2 is common practice in the US, it's called anticipated separation.

In Europe, it would be a big no-no.

Tks KriVa, I got the similar reply on the T7 Facebook page. What I'm interested is to do the go around properly as a (virtual) pilot.

 

Francis

Tks KriVa, I got the similar reply on the T7 Facebook page. What I'm interested is to do the go around properly as a (virtual) pilot.

 

Francis

 

Nothing wrong with switching the A/P back on after you push TO/GA  and stabilize in the climb. In real life it is encouraged.

 

Regards

I think the included FCTM can help you a lot better in that division.

Forum posts tend to be information from the manuals, rehashed by someone and explained to you.

The FCTM is a very elaborate manual, explaining pretty much everything from entering the cockpit until leaving the cockpit again. Have a browse through it, lots of good stuff in there ;-)

 

 

Getting a landing clearance while being number 2 is common practice in the US, it's called anticipated separation.

 

B)

 

Still not quite understanding why we're the only ones who do it in the aviation realm.  People do it while driving cars all day, all over the world.

 

...yet for some reason, the FAA keeps bending to ICAO more and more, so who knows how long that'll last.  I'm still rather chafed about "line up and wait," to be honest.

 

 

I think the included FCTM can help you a lot better in that division.

Forum posts tend to be information from the manuals, rehashed by someone and explained to you.

The FCTM is a very elaborate manual, explaining pretty much everything from entering the cockpit until leaving the cockpit again. Have a browse through it, lots of good stuff in there ;-)

 

Exactly - no translation, and direct from the original source.

 

 

I'm still rather chafed about "line up and wait," to be honest.

Okay, Kyle, I'd love to hear about why that is... B)

Okay, Kyle, I'd love to hear about why that is... B)

 

I'll be honest and say that, first, it's probably just because it's different from what I grew up with.  I'll own up to my own "well back in my day" conservatisms...

 

The other reason is that it just sounds stupidly informal.  It reminds me of back in grade school, where the teachers always told us to line up against the wall (behind the line leader, of course, which was the prize student of the former week...haha...  :Angel: ) and wait.

 

I do completely understand that matching procedures with the rest of the world makes things easier on all crews (particularly those that operate in international environments), and there's an associated increase in safety.  I forget what the other arguments were.  I think there was something in there related to "hold short" and "position and hold" sounding too similar.  So, I understand why they wanted to match it up, I just don't particularly like it - logically or not.

B)

 

Still not quite understanding why we're the only ones who do it in the aviation realm.  People do it while driving cars all day, all over the world.

 

...yet for some reason, the FAA keeps bending to ICAO more and more, so who knows how long that'll last.  I'm still rather chafed about "line up and wait," to be honest.

 

 

 

Exactly - no translation, and direct from the original source.

 

Although funny enough, in my europe and asia flying experience, they'll give you the line-up clearance before the preceeding aircraft has even landed. "Hawaiian XXX, behind arriving 777, line up runway 34R." Controllers in the US would cringe at that!

 

The week of that "position and hold" changeover was a funny one though, as it coincided closely with the united/continental merger callsign changing. You'd get the typical mainline pilot coming back after a few weeks off:  "Position and...errrmmm line up and wait continentalsss errrr... united 51 heavy"

 

 

Although funny enough, in my europe and asia flying experience, they'll give you the line-up clearance before the preceeding aircraft has even landed. "Hawaiian XXX, behind arriving 777, line up runway 34R." Controllers in the US would cringe at that!

 

Yeah, there are certain contingent clearances that are frowned upon, and that's one of them.  Otherwise, things like "descend and maintain 6000 - reaching/at 6000, reduce speed 1-8-0 knots for spacing" is normal.  Gotta love variances...

 

 

 

The week of that "position and hold" changeover was a funny one though, as it coincided closely with the united/continental merger callsign changing. You'd get the typical mainline pilot coming back after a few weeks off:  "Position and...errrmmm line up and wait continentalsss errrr... united 51 heavy"

 

Sounds a little like me when I'm on VATSIM and switch positions.  I normally change between staffing Potomac Approach and Washington Center so much that I end up flipping the identification on a first call.

 

"United 822, Potomac...Washington Center, roger."  I'm pretty sure I did it in one of my last two videos, too, because I was giving example ATC instructions for various facilities through each flight.

To be honest... I rather like "line up and wait". But, just like you Kyle, that's probably mainly because it's what I grew up with. Also, I can follow the reasoning of "position and hold" and "hold position" sounding too much alike.