Approach flaps setting sequence

[Driver170 42]

I have Ryanairs FCOM and following there SOPs

 

On there low drag ILS app

 

 

At 4nm, but not later than 3.5nm, call “GEAR DOWN”, “FLAPS 15." Arm speed brake and check green light illuminated. Call “LANDING CHECKLIST DOWN TO FLAPS.”

 

 

At glide slope capture, verify proper mode annunciation, check N1 reference bug at the go–around limit and verify missed approach altitude set.

Call “FLAPS ____” as required for landing. Call: “____ KNOTS” or “SET ____ KNOTS.”

Call “COMPLETE THE LANDING CHECKLIST.”

Call: “OM ___ FEET, FLAGS/NO FLAGS.”

Monitor autopilot as required.

 

Call: “LAND” or push the TO/GA switch and call “GO–AROUND, FLAPS 15.”

The go-around must be initiated by DA. Therefore, at the minimums call, it is important that the PF, without delay, accomplishes the go-around. It is not necessary for the PF to search for visual cues at this point. The PM shall call the visual cues as they become apparent. If the PF has not heard any visual cue calls from the PM, it is safe to assume that no visual cues have been received. Execute a go-around.

 

 

But this is my question when will i select f30 after f15 at 4nm or no later than 3.5nm??

Or 500 feet because its a precision app VMC, 500 feet, landing gate!

[Spin737 102]

It says:

 

At glide slope capture

 

Mystery solved. We can all go home.

[Driver170 42]

yes but 4nm is going to be well after glideslope capture?

[Spin737 102]

Dunno. I'd say that's pretty late to be configuring. I don't think you could be stabilized if you were calling for gear at 3.5nm.

 

If you're an ace with a chip on your shoulder and you feel like pushing it to the limit, try it. See if you can get everything done by 500.

 

Not even the "Arctic Eagles" I flew with in Anchorage pushed it that much.

[Driver170 42]

its what it says in the ryanairs FCOM SOP's gear down f15 at 4nm then landing flaps prior to 500 feet

[scandinavian13 5,192]

As far as SOPs go, I wouldn't be following that one as a "standard."

 

For the record, you're debating this topic with a guy who flies the aircraft in question for his day job...

[rjack1282 316]

 

 

its what it says in the ryanairs FCOM SOP's gear down f15 at 4nm

 

I bet that is at 4 NM from FAF because the next step is glide slope capture which usually occurs at the FAF.  You should be fully configured at the glide slope capture.

 

 

 

landing flaps prior to 500 feet

 

Keyword here is prior to 500 feet.  Perhaps this is the latest point you can be fully configured (per Ryanair FCOM) before initiating a go around.

 

Ryan J.

[Driver170 42]

here its low drag ILS 4nm from touchdown

 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/14kjzbd5cghah8r/Photo%2005-12-2014%2021%2000%2013.png?dl=0

As far as SOPs go, I wouldn't be following that one as a "standard."

 

For the record, you're debating this topic with a guy who flies the aircraft in question for his day job...

 

 

I was only trying to find the answer when to select f30 from f15 for this procedure, low drag ILS app 

 

now i know prior to 500 feet

[G-CIVA 62]

Rocket Science ......

[JoeDiamond 67]

 

 

As far as SOPs go, I wouldn't be following that one as a "standard."

 

I'll second that.  The day RyanAir becomes the standard is the day I'll quit the industry.

[Driver170 42]

I'll second that.  The day RyanAir becomes the standard is the day I'll quit the industry.

 

Did you steal that from PPRUNE lol

[kevinh 409]

yes but 4nm is going to be well after glideslope capture?

The diagram you uploaded answers all the questions you've asked. It clearly shows glideslope intercept happens after the 4nm point. On that basis they must be approaching the ILS at around 1200 ft above threshold. You would select landing flap as soon as speed allowed, and before 500 feet.

 

A clear case of RTFM.

[JoeDiamond 67]

Did you steal that from PPRUNE lol

 

I'm not on PPRUNE, so no.

That profile would never fly at my company.  We have to be configured and the before landing checklist completed by 1000' AFL and stabilized by 1000' AFL in IMC or 500' AFL in VMC.

 

Personally I don't see any valid reason to delay landing flap extension to 500'  The fuel burn doing that vs. being stabilized at 1000' is minimal.  All you are doing is rushing yourself at a bad time.

[Driver170 42]

Also in the FCOM Ryanair has CAT I single channel manual gear down flaps 15 at 4nm

 

 

 

Landing Procedure Single Channel or Manual - Pilot Flying

and Pilot Monitoring < RYR >

 

At 4nm, but not later than 3.5nm,

call “GEAR DOWN”, “FLAPS

15." Arm speed brake and check

green light illuminated. Call

“LANDING CHECKLIST DOWN

TO FLAPS.”

 

At glide slope capture, verify

proper mode annunciation, check

N1 reference bug at the go–around

limit and verify missed approach

altitude set.

[pcubine 143]

 

 

Personally I don't see any valid reason to delay landing flap extension to 500' The fuel burn doing that vs. being stabilized at 1000' is minimal.

There is no valid reason. Somehow the bean counters got involved in final editing of their FCOM.