After perusing through the vast collection of insults after i was only stating how the game doesnt work, it seems a little pathetic how you all join forces to try and eliminate someone with genuive views and frustrations.Obviously by my initial typing style i came across as exactly the kind of person i am not - as for being suited to quake 3:-bla as for your lame attempts to mock my comments regarding my experience etc, i AM someone whos had fs's since 2000 and its been the only game ive played, im fairly intelligent and do know about planes.soon as i came across so immature earlier its easier to say that i wasnt up to fs, and dont know what im doing, on the other side, if i didnt know what i was doing or should be happening, how did i know something was wrong?i appreciate the hard work of POSKY and that, but if i am having constant problems with a basic feature all the time, i am going to be a little wound up.ive compiled a list here of aircraft that app hold does and doesnt work on (yes i am doing the right procedure)Works:737 ExperienceIFDG 767IFDG A319's & A320's (only as long as its not on FULL flaps though :-()Stock AircraftAll small jets i.e bae146's & Fokkers JCA 717 (this would have been a payware plane but was freeware as a one off-this suggests that the problem would not occur with well made payware planes)Doesnt Work:All POSKY planesAircraft made by individuals (ie not ifdg or posky or a constant supplier of planes to the fs world)Meljetvarious/most others.now, lets have a discusiion about what i should be doing then:-I have the plane at 3 quaters of its overall weight, 15 flaps, gear down, no wind, ALT and APP hold on, below the glidepath - but the second i fly through the glidepath the AP just wont respond as it should, i,e it just flies straight through it without being able to maintain the correct r o d.the only problem i can think of is that the AP is having problems trimming the aircraft, soon as im quite a heavy aircraft, with an airspeed on only 153 or so, and flaps (increasing the drag) the AP needs a fair bit of up trim to keep me airborne; so when im intercepting the glidepath, the process should be simply to reduce the trim, so the nose decreases a little, so the aircraft slowly looses altitude maintaining the gp.ive checked that YD is off, and ive got the right frequencies etc, but still the same thing sadly.by the way i can do it visually, but just because something (APP hold) doesnt work, should i just abandon? it, no, you try and fix it.i would have been willing to try mend the bridges broken by my language and manor but soon as it seems i have so many avsim enemies i will probably be deleting my account and defeat this problem alone, as i know this is fixable.anyway i hope i have at least reduced the number of staunch enemies have made.

by the way, might this be something to do with the panel?

It is nice to see you come back in a more reasonable mood after yesterday's rant which IMHO does not belong in any forum.Yes, if you are having problems with FS or any particular plane(s) in FS, you'll find that there are always people here who are keen to help out.BTW.. the better approach is not start with the premise that "the game does not work", but rather "I'm having trouble with some part of the Simulator"... :-)I have not personally had a problem with POSKY's planes, so I'll yield the floor to folks who have some experience with loading etc Are you sure that you are not above safe landing weight?

yes. In fact, it almost certainly is something to do with the panel since the panel really contains much of the "programming" as far as how the systems operate. I can't say as I'm really very familiar with the POSKY planes but if you're using a third party panel with it you might want to confirm it's properly set up. Have you tried contacting the POSKY guys directly? I'm pretty sure there is at least one dedicated posky forum somewhere...

thanks for replying, now, im a t 3 quaters weight, i imagine thats okay isnt it? Also, ive had fs for ages and constantly been adding new planes and panels etc and building up my collection, do u think i should delete everything, start from scratch and see if it happens again?as for the panel, what panels do work for POSKY 757's?maybe you could send me that panel?interestingly enough, now ive thought about it, the problems i have are all from panels which are custom and not designed exactly for that plane. hmm after yesterdays radical outbursts new solutions are coming up :-)ps how do i edit ILS frequencies, and how do i know safe landing weights?

Hi willg; you wrote:"now, lets have a discusiion about what i should be doing then:-I have the plane at 3 quaters of its overall weight, 15 flaps, gear down, no wind, ALT and APP hold on, below the glidepath - but the second i fly through the glidepath the AP just wont respond as it should, i,e it just flies straight through it without being able to maintain the correct r o d."Then let me ask about the other ILS component, the localizer (vertical needle). You should generally approach the runway at about a 30* angle and far enough out to intersect the localizer about 5 to 10 Nm from the threshold. If you are doing this with AP ALT hold, APP hold, and HDG hold enabled, then the localizer must be captured (HDG hold extingushes and the plane turns toward the runway) before you fly throught the glide slope signal. If your approach is too high, then you will reach the glide slope before the localizer and you will not start down the GS. I am not a RW pilot so I don't know if this is typical of RW autopilots, but that's the way it works in MSFS.I have flown some models of all of the unusable planes that you mention and they work for me. If you live near San Antonio, stop by and we'll shoot a few approaches together. I hope that this is helpful to you.R-

Will,By no means did I try to insult you--I gave you a fact on MSFS that may help you. Fact: MSFS by default has no Autoland capability. It has APR hold, which allows you to make it to decision height. APR hold is not intended to land the aircraft on its own. You can obtain aircraft with Autoland gauges, or my program, Autoland 2004. However, some approaches are offset--you would still need to manually land your aircraft once you reach decision height.For me, it doesn't matter which aircraft--IFDG, POSKY, etc... There is not one I can't guide to decision height using APR mode. But it takes experience and patience. You have to learn how to perform a stable approach that maintains the glideslope. It just won't happen because you feel you have the numbers right. To shoot a good approach slaved to approach mode, it's best to intercept from underneath the glideslope--this is especially true for FS2002. If you try to intercept from above the glideslope, you end up in a dangerous cycle. Why? Because the A/P uses trim to maintain the G/S. If the A/P applies up trim, the aircraft will try to pitch up to hold the G/S. The speed will fall, then it will try to pitch up some more, and so on. You can still recover if you are ready to respond with the throttle, but it takes practice, practice, practice.When I was writing Autoland, I can't tell you how many aircraft I bent a wing on until I learned what worked best. That's one of the reasons real pilots use simulators. They had better know what to do before they get behind the yoke of the real thing.Last thing you need to know, in case you're scratching your head saying "I know I could Autoland with MSFS". FS2000 could autoland with certain aircraft, but that feature was pulled in FS2002 probably to help reduce the coding for the autopilot. Feel free to download my program--Autoland 2004--to help. Within, there's an email address and you can contact me with questions, etc... It isn't perfect, but it does the job most times. Oddly enough, although I wrote the thing I don't use it, since I much prefer GA for most of my flights. It was a fun test for me to see if I could rise to such a challenge. -John

right thanks for your help, well, the way i approach is by doing a circuit, what ill do is fly direct to the airport, and be at 7000 foot at that point, then when im told what runway to land on ill fly the opposite direction for 20Nm and make sure that im at 3000 (AGL) and 150 at this point, now ill turn 90 degrees, and as i intercept the Loc. ill turn to the correct heading and get aligned with the runway, (below GP obviously at this point)now once im perfectly aligned ill switch APP hold on (ALT still on, heading not tho) the plane now aligned with the runway simply has to fly through the glidepath, and this is when the problem occurs.........thanks for the offer to go over some ILS's with me, but unfortunately thats gonna be kinda hard to do soon as i live over the pond. maybe ill pop round when im older :)

as ive said before, im not trying to let approach hold land the aircraft, im getting to decision height, then i turn off all AT and AP, flare and land manually.Hmm i dont think i will download ur program, simply because i need to master approach holding instead of auto landing.

Just reading your sequence.. why not let the autopilot turn you to align with the localiser? Line up within 30 degrees on HDG, hit APR, let the autopilot line up with the localiser, all the while with ALT hold and below the glideslope. Then it should work..

Look online for a manual about the aircraft. Read about the limitations, flap settings, fuel, things like that. That could maybe help out as far as the flap settings. If your not familliar with the aircraft, just take a few min to read about it so you can have a little bit of knowledge before that departure. :)I believe there are manuals here at avsim. :)

Yes there are issues with the game. Yes there are issues with add-ons, especially free ones. But what do you expect? Go try the PMDG 737, LDS 767, Ready for Pushback V2 747-200, or the many other quality payware airplanes that work almost flawlessly. If you try default aircraft or free add-ons, you never know what to expect. If you buy a high quality add-on and see flaws, you can expect the support of the company (usually) to help you resolve such issues.

>to land on ill fly the opposite direction for 20Nm and make>sure that im at 3000 (AGL) and 150 at this pointYour speed is fine, but your altitude is way too high...If you read the approach chart, it will advise you of the correct height to intercept the glideslope.For sim purposes though, unless there's an obstruction (say, a mountain?) preventing it, a good "ball park average" is 2500' at 5nm from the runway threshold, assuming a 3

right i might dip into my pocket and get the PMDG 737 then. As for the person who suggested intercepting at 2500 foot, what difference does that make, at 3500 foot or so im aligned with flaps and gear down all ready to land etc, i mean its just not gonna make any difference, why should the autopilot act more responsive and maintain the nose up pitch at a 1000 foot lower, hardly the air isnt THAT thicker or something, anyway thanks

>right i might dip into my pocket and get the PMDG 737 then.>As for the person who suggested intercepting at 2500 foot,>what difference does that make, at 3500 foot or so im aligned>with flaps and gear down all ready to land etc, i mean its>just not gonna make any difference, why should the autopilot>act more responsive and maintain the nose up pitch at a 1000>foot lower, hardly the air isnt THAT thicker or something,>anyway thanksStop and think for a moment... The fact that quite literally thousands of flightsim pilots around the world do not have the same problem as you perhaps might be a clue that they are doing something you aren't... :9Aside from which, the altitude I suggested is the proper way to enter an ILS approach. It sure couldn't hurt to try it the prescribed way, rather than simply dismiss it out of hand.