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Seriously thinking to ditch all payware airports...

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Yes, you read well. Why?

 

I'm sick of:

 

- thinking what next airport to buy, depending where I want to fly.

- limiting flights from/to only payware airports.

- browsing forums and looking for FPS/VAS info

- if no such info, I'll go buy it and then spent some time testing it, FPS hit and VAS usage. If FPS or VAS or both are not satisfying, then spend few hours looking for a solution, instead of flying.

- There is always a possibility of some texture fault in DX10. If there are faults, again spending hours looking for a solution.

- I'm using highly customised SweetFX very bright preset, very close to RL visuals. 90% of payware airports have bright textures made for default FSX without SweetFX, resulting in blinding white textures all around sometimes. No such problem with default airport textures.

 

There are tons of updated default airports here in the library, with added some buildings, corrected AFCAD, ILS and stuff, and no worris of FPS or VAS hit.

 

I remember when I had Core2Quad at 2.8ghz when FSX simply couldn't handle bigger payware airports, I told myspelf back then "ok, I'll use this couple of purchased airports when I upgrade my machine", and I flew months only using default airports, and they didn't annoy me, especially with some of photo realistic HD textures from my own abandoned Airport Overhaul X project. Believe me, textures are 80% of visuals. I don't care about bunch of details, I can't see them most of the time when taxing. Be realistic, you will see only terminals up close 80% of the time. 20% of the time at payware airports you will taxi at least 200-300 yards from buildings and details.

 

Really, I'm seriously considering to ditch all payware airports I bought just to free myself from all that thinking before every flight. I mean, I love simming because it's so bloody relaxing, and this payware airports mumbo jumbo made this hobby sometimes so complicated with no reason.

 

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I use to only fly to/from Payware Airports but I've since stopped doing that because it limits you a lot and get's boring. I dont use SFX but I do use DX10 with the Fixer and I'v never had a problem with anything I own. I pretty much only fly in the US/CAN and I stick too FlightBeam, FSDT, FlyTampa, ORBX and Taxi2gate, if you stick with those devs you'll pretty much be all set. I get great FPS/VAS with everything I own and like I said they work great with DX10. I NEVER buy ImagineSim, Blueprint or LatinVFR, I've always had problems with those Devs esepically since moving to Dx10 and Blueprint is the worst. Hope this helps, take care.

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I use to only fly to/from Payware Airports but I've since stopped doing that because it limits you a lot and get's boring. I dont use SFX but I do use DX10 with the Fixer and I'v never had a problem with anything I own. I pretty much only fly in the US/CAN and I stick too FlightBeam, FSDT, FlyTampa, ORBX and Taxi2gate, if you stick with those devs you'll pretty much be all set. I get great FPS/VAS with everything I own and like I said they work great with DX10. I NEVER buy ImagineSim, Blueprint or LatinVFR, I've always had problems with those Devs esepically since moving to Dx10 and Blueprint is the worst. Hope this helps, take care.

 

I get your point, and you're probably right, but that is the same logic I want to avoid - lot of money spent, still limited where to fly with 90% of chance that some issue from above I mentioned will appear.

 

Only time that I approve payware airports is when you fly a lot GA between smal GA aiports, which are, lets be honest, are pretty simple and dreadful in FSX. I also might consider keeping airports like Mikonos/Skiathos X for obvious reasons. The biggest reason is still that feeling when you fly from default EDDM to payware Skiathos X and land in all that beauty, adding very nice feel and immersion that you really landed at paradise.

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I'm thinking along the same lines........  fed up of spending $£$£$ on scenery that I fly to maybe once or twice, or that I land at, park at, and close the flight without hardly seeing it.

 

Pe11e - what about this  ;-

 

http://secure.simmarket.com/zinertek-hd-airport-graphics-fsx-p3d.phtml

 

 

default airport, with the above :-

 

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not bad ?!?!

 

I'm thinking about this.  The screenshots look quite impressive.  It seems it really transforms the default airports.   Certainly with the Citation II, which is the heaviest Carenado aircraft I've ever come across, I have to fly from default airports only - but I'm kind of getting used to them.   I normally fly Europe, so in the Citation II, I've been flying in and out of a lot of regional airports in the US; eg, in upstate New York; Rochester, Syracuse, Albany, etc.    The areas and environment are nice, (especially with FTX Global and Vector), and I'm hardly missing the payware airports.

 

Addon aircrafts are what I have always loved spending my hard-earned pennies on, scenery is always bought grudgingly! :smile: ...... although I've bought stacks of it over the years. 

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Pe11e - what about this  ;-
 
http://secure.simmar...s-fsx-p3d.phtml

 

I was thinking about that addon, but I'm thinking to create some textures for default airport buildings again. Not sure if I've lost all Airport Overhaul X textures after incidental hard disk format a year ago. The thing is I've not seen any good representational screenshot of HD Airport Graphics, except jetways close ups. There are few terminal shots, but they are not close ups by any means, so I'm not convinced still it is a good product.

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90% of payware airports have bright textures made for default FSX without SweetFX, resulting in blinding white textures all around sometimes. No such problem with default airport textures.

 

I have found most night textures especially at the last 2 if I have flown into Flightbeam KPHX, and FT KBOS to be VERY DARK at night. I have the exact opposite issue you have. I want the airports to be lit up like a christmas tree haha. 

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There are few terminal shots, but they are not close ups by any means

 

I know what you mean, but how close to you get to the terminals? :smile: .... don't you think the terminal in the screenshot above looks pretty good for a default airport?  

 

What I'm a little worried about with that product is that will introduce shimmering along with the 'HD' textures for the default airport textures.   I had a similar product from Cielosim some years ago; the textures were good, but introduced a lot of shimmering.

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I'm thinking along the same lines........  fed up of spending $£$£$ on scenery that I fly to maybe once or twice, or that I land at, park at, and close the flight without hardly seeing it.

 

Pe11e - what about this  ;-

 

http://secure.simmarket.com/zinertek-hd-airport-graphics-fsx-p3d.phtml

 

 

default airport, with the above :-

 

13912810.jpg

 

not bad ?!?!

 

I'm thinking about this.  The screenshots look quite impressive.  It seems it really transforms the default airports.   Certainly with the Citation II, which is the heaviest Carenado aircraft I've ever come across, I have to fly from default airports only - but I'm kind of getting used to them.   I normally fly Europe, so in the Citation II, I've been flying in and out of a lot of regional airports in the US; eg, in upstate New York; Rochester, Syracuse, Albany, etc.    The areas and environment are nice, (especially with FTX Global and Vector), and I'm hardly missing the payware airports.

 

Addon aircrafts are what I have always loved spending my hard-earned pennies on, scenery is always bought grudgingly! :smile: ...... although I've bought stacks of it over the years.

Craig - I was in shock when I saw that picture and quickly saw KROC in your post as I believed that it was KROC for a split second as I base many flights from or to there. Please give me an update if you do purchase and you are happy with that software.

 

Nick

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Craig - I was in shock when I saw that picture and quickly saw KROC in your post as I believed that it was KROC for a split second as I base many flights from or to there. Please give me an update if you do purchase and you are happy with that software.

 

Nick

 

Hi Nick,

 

No I don't think that is KROC in that picture from the HD Airport Graphics product, but yes I am flying almost all flights out of KROC at the moment. It's a great base, for flights along Lake Ontario, towards eastern NY State, or in the other direction towards Detroit etc.   I'll be sure to come back to this thread and post my findings if I go for the product (and I'm definitely leaning towards it).

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The concern I have with ZINERTEK - HD AIRPORT GRAPHICS FSX P3D - as much as I really like what it does for the default airports is that is now adds high res textures to all default airport buildings, etc.   As you fly you are going over numerous default airports both large and small and all of those textures are loading and eating up valuable memory.  Now if someone can confirm that the size of the files is the same as default and there is not change to VAS using this program then I am in, looks great.

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I've been thinking much the same.  Lately I'm just flying around the east and southeast.  I want to fly where I want to fly and not where I've got enhanced airports.

 

 

 


The concern I have with ZINERTEK - HD AIRPORT GRAPHICS FSX P3D - as much as I really like what it does for the default airports is that is now adds high res textures to all default airport buildings, etc. As you fly you are going over numerous default airports both large and small and all of those textures are loading and eating up valuable memory. Now if someone can confirm that the size of the files is the same as default and there is not change to VAS using this program then I am in, looks great.

 

If the textures are shared at many airports then you'd get double use out of them...at departure and arrival. I'd like to see some reviews too.

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On a whim, I thought 15 bucks wasn't a huge deal, so here is a quick KROC comp:

 

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HD. Check out the Vic's!

 

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On a whim, I thought 15 bucks wasn't a huge deal, so here is a quick KROC comp:

 

Looks descent.  Guess it's too late to ask what the VAS difference is.  Honestly, though, I'm betting it's much less than a payware airport.  Might be worth trying out. 

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Of course it's much less than any a bit detailed payware airport.

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Detailed airport scenery is like a good aircraft model.  You only want to buy the ones you really like.  I would stick with the premier developers like FSdreamteam, FlightBeam and only the airports scenery that I really like to have and enjoy.  The killer for me was the ORBX products.  Beautiful yet heavy on VAS and FPS.  I recently had to rebuild my FSX, and this time I was lazy with all the hundred of add-ons that I used to have to reinstall, so I only installed OBBX Global, Vector, REX4, ASN, FSDT and FlightBeam.  Lo and behold the flying experience is smooth.  Now I will probably never going to reinstall the ORBX stuff again.  I was also sick of all the updates to keep track of and apply.  Add-ons have become too much of a chore for me.  So far, I have rediscovered that flight simming is about flying, not looking for a duplication of real world scenery.  A very good simili is good enough for me.

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I guess I'm one of the lucky ones... I have a big box, run in DX10, and never had CTD's, or OOM's under any circumstances whatsoever.

 

 

I only bought this product because it effects the entire world. I would never throw money at any payware airport... For me personally, that seems ridiculous. The few airports I have are the ones our great community makes and shares. My mind set has been to simulate flight, not airports.

 

I do save a dime for scenery and mesh. I donate to BlueSky, and even went so far as to buy some FSGenesis mesh. Airports are nice I guess... but your not supposed to be there long.

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I used to be more aircraft addon focused but over the years I have gotten more scenery focused, having the FTX experience.  As I rebuild my FS install, this time around I plan on installing fewer aircraft, at least at first.  Since I have invested in GTN, I plan on getting my moneys worth out of GTN...TDuking to the far places, and Skylaning into the backwoods places.  I'll still install some fun planes....will never give up the thrill of a Mustang or Tomcat lol,

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I guess I'm one of the lucky ones... I have a big box, run in DX10, and never had CTD's, or OOM's under any circumstances whatsoever.

 

No CTD's or OOM's with payware airports here also,  but that is the least possible problem. My issue is a lot of fuss with payware airports, fps, ground photo texture that doesn't match FTX Global, thinking where to fly next, what to buy next, disabling/enabling airports in the scenery library before every flight (one I forgot to mention). I have a checklist on my yoke what to check before every flight, an 80% of the items are payware airport related.

Oh, I also forgot that you must flatten some addon airport in ORBX Vector tool, one additional check to perform. Too overwhelming!

With default airports you can just load the sim at the gate and start flying, no fuss! You can add GSX or some airports vehicles to populate it, but then you are hurting fps for a small cause.

 

 

 

My mind set has been to simulate flight, not airports.

 

Exactly.

 

I would stick with the premier developers like FSdreamteam, FlightBeam and only the airports scenery that I really like to have and enjoy.

 

I fly in Europe only, so both developers are not a solution, except FSDT Zurich, Geneva, and possibly one or two more. Aerosoft has the best coverage for Europe, but every airport is totally different with FPS and VAS usage, quality generally, because few different developers are working "for them".

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I bought it too today ........... I'm pretty impressed.

 

The replacement terminals and buildings are good but there's a lot more to it than that;  vastly improved signage, taxi lines, proper branded catering vehicles, etc.

 

 

The concern I have with ZINERTEK - HD AIRPORT GRAPHICS FSX P3D - as much as I really like what it does for the default airports is that is now adds high res textures to all default airport buildings, etc.   As you fly you are going over numerous default airports both large and small and all of those textures are loading and eating up valuable memory.  

 

The highest texture size is 1024, so it's not 'HD' as we'd probably understand it compared to 2048 and 4096 textures, but I believe most default terminals were 512 and 256, so it's a lot more "HD" than those!

 

I do have a small amount of shimmering on the icy runway textures, but I'm 99% sure that's more to do with my set up, etc.

 

I'd certainly recommend it for the money - it will be even better when combined with updated default airport files from the AVSIM library etc.     So that they sort out and improved placements, and then the HD Airport Graphics package sorts out the improved textures.    :Applause:

 

I've got all payware airports deavtivated from the scenery library at this time, and I'm enjoying just flying wherever I fancy, with higher weather and AI settings, and with higher frame rates and smoothness.   This may well be the way forward.

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Cool tease Craig. :)

 

Can you post some hires screens of various terminals and some GA airport buildings, all in EU? With those you should convince me to buy it.

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Really, I'm seriously considering to ditch all payware airports I bought just to free myself from all that thinking before every flight. I mean, I love simming because it's so bloody relaxing, and this payware airports mumbo jumbo made this hobby sometimes so complicated with no reason.

 

Of course I respect that this is your personal opinion. However, I'm sure that if you were, for example, to load up the default EGLL with 100% AI, it would still bring most machines to their knees.

 

My point - it all comes down to realistic expectations. If you want the finesse and accuracy of a well rendered piece of scenery, then given the constraints of the simulator that we are all too aware of,  a compromise, or two (or three...) inevitably has to be made,

 

Regards

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You know, I didn't know what to expect when I opened this thread, but I'm sure glad I did!

 

Very helpful information. I remember when that product came out for FSX, but I already had so many payware airports...

 

Anyone know if the product works with updated AFCADs?  I'm guessing the answer depends on whether or not the author used default textures or added their own. I'll reach out to the primary AFCAD update guys and ask that they produce updates using both default textures as well as custom. 

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Anyone know if the product works with updated AFCADs?

 

Yes, with pure AFCAD updates, the product works perfectly.  Obviously where custom models and textures are used alongside updated AFCADs that's a very different thing.

 

 

 

Can you post some hires screens of various terminals and some GA airport buildings, all in EU? With those you should convince me to buy it.

 

Sure no problem but I'm (supposed to be) working deperately on a Uni Essay that is late for the next few days (so what the heck am I doing on AVSIM I know!! :smile:).   But as soon as I can, I'll take some screenies of various airports, so you can see the updated buildings etc.    

 

PS.... this product is not just texture replacements;  it's mostly completely new models too.

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Anyone know if the product works with updated AFCADs?  I'm guessing the answer depends on whether or not the author used default textures or added their own. I'll reach out to the primary AFCAD update guys and ask that they produce updates using both default textures as well as custom. 

If you are asking about the Zinertek product, no it does not affect AFCADs.  

 

 

Aerosoft has the best coverage for Europe, but every airport is totally different with FPS and VAS usage, quality generally, because few different developers are working "for them"

I have not bought any AS scenery yet.  Perhaps some day, precisely because of the inconsistency that you mentioned, as I read the review of their products, I was not sure what to make of them.  

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