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Noob Route Ques

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First off I admit that this might not be the ideal place to post this question but if there is a better location please let me know.

 

I'm flying the PMDG 737NGX and I'm new and have a lot to learn.

 

I've done the tutorials that were included and I'm now planning my own flight from EHAM to EGKK.

 

Everything was going well until the entry of the arrival route.  There is a link below.  I'm landing at 26L I've entered TIMBA to MAY but there is a route discontinuity between MAY and CIL26.  I have no idea what to enter next in the FMC to make a continuous route from MAY to CIL26.  Any help would be appreciated.  Thank You!

 

 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8wveLAwhPh2ZFZMUEladjBFbHBsOGtYbGZROVJoLXRBODdV/view?usp=sharing

 

So while in the air you selected you're approach? You have clicked DPP/ARR, select the STAR and the runway, correct? This will give you the whole route. I don't think I've ever had disco's going in to Gatwick.

 

You shouldn't have to manually enter TIMBA or MAY, they are part of the star. I guess you're coming in via the TIMBA2F star. If you program the arrival in the FMC, it will give you the route all the way down to the runway, plus the missed approach. No manual entering required

Chris Smith

I have just checked on the FMC now.

 

I think you have not selected the transition.

When selecting an approach in the FMC, you must select the final approach on the right (ILS 26L), the STAR on the left (e.g.: Timba --) and in some case a transition on the right below the final approach. In that case, TIMBA.

It will add automatically the waypoint from the last point of the STAR (usually the IAF) to the final approach (IF).

Romain Roux

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Avec l'avion, nous avons inventé la ligne droite.

St Exupéry, Terre des hommes.

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Ok got it fixed, thanks guys.  Budbud I selected the LUMBA3E STAR but I hadn't selected the TRANS.  Once I set TRANS to LUMBA there was a TRK (004) from MAY to the CI26L.

 

Cheers!

Glad to help.

Enjoy!

Romain Roux

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Avec l'avion, nous avons inventé la ligne droite.

St Exupéry, Terre des hommes.

Ok got it fixed, thanks guys. Budbud I selected the LUMBA3E STAR but I hadn't selected the TRANS. Once I set TRANS to LUMBA there was a TRK (004) from MAY to the CI26L.

 

Cheers!

Just FYI: the LUMBA STARs at LGW are not routinely used. They exist only for occasions when a navaid (I can't recall which one: MAY I think, or possibly MID) is out of service.

 

The usual routing would be via TIMBA.

Simon Kelsey

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With any discontinuity, you can always take the waypoint after the discontinuity and move it up, the FMS will draw the route accordingly. Common practice when things don't line up exactly right. We do it all the time. 

Nick Hatchel

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With any discontinuity, you can always take the waypoint after the discontinuity and move it up, the FMS will draw the route accordingly. Common practice when things don't line up exactly right. We do it all the time.

Just because there is a disco doesn't mean that something is incorrect with the route. Many STARS and some SIDS have discos at the end. They serve the purpose of allowing ATC to furnish vectors for whatever. Many STARS and SIDS have the word VECTOR appear in the FMS. Some don't. There is just a disco which is not a bad thing. A Disco at cruise halfway into a flight is another situation. Usually it's incorrect and the route needs to be investigated in detail to determine the problem. You can't just eliminate Discos so you have a continuous magenta line from takeoff to landing.

Michael Cubine
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I am aware and have them every time I fly.  Nearly every departure I make from my home airport uses a SID that requires VECTORS to my route.  The comment was more for telling the OP that putting in seemingly correct transitions are not always required and you can use the STAR or SID you want with the route you want by eliminating the disco. And realistically, you could just eliminate them and have a continuous magenta line from takeoff to landing, what is stopping you?

Nick Hatchel

"Sometimes, flying feels too godlike to be attained by man. Sometimes, the world from above seems too beautiful, too wonderful, too distant for human eyes to see …"
Charles A. Lindbergh, 1953

System: Custom Watercooled--Intel i7-8700k OC: 5.0 Ghz--Gigabyte Z370 Gaming 7--EVGA GTX 1080ti Founders Edition--16GB TridentZ RGB DDR4--240GB SSD--460GB SSD--1TB WD Blue HDD--Windows 10--55" Sony XBR55900E TV--GoFlight VantEdge Yoke--MFG Crosswind Pedals--FSXThrottle Quattro Throttle Quadrant--Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS--TrackIR 5--VRInsight MCPii Boeing

what is stopping you?

In the NGX nothing. In the real world ATC. We wouldn't want the OP to become a child of the magenta line.

Michael Cubine
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I would agree that in the real world I don't think I have yet had ATC allow me to completely follow the route that I requested and put in the FMS, but at the same time I have never asked for it exactly, and if I did and I sure they would.

Nick Hatchel

"Sometimes, flying feels too godlike to be attained by man. Sometimes, the world from above seems too beautiful, too wonderful, too distant for human eyes to see …"
Charles A. Lindbergh, 1953

System: Custom Watercooled--Intel i7-8700k OC: 5.0 Ghz--Gigabyte Z370 Gaming 7--EVGA GTX 1080ti Founders Edition--16GB TridentZ RGB DDR4--240GB SSD--460GB SSD--1TB WD Blue HDD--Windows 10--55" Sony XBR55900E TV--GoFlight VantEdge Yoke--MFG Crosswind Pedals--FSXThrottle Quattro Throttle Quadrant--Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS--TrackIR 5--VRInsight MCPii Boeing

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