August 23, 200520 yr I have three questions about AI Traffic optimization.1. How do you get AI traffic to rolloff a runway faster and further down a runway. I notice that it seems to take a long time for a landing plane to roll off the runway. This holds up other traffic and often forces other AI traffic to have to do a go around. Does anyone know how to improve AI traffic performance on a runway after landing?2. AI traffic sometimes bunches up on the approaches forcing traffic to have to execute go arounds. Is there a way to force AI traffic to perform a better job of separation between approaching planes?3. Anyone know how to make better use of parallel runways such that departing traffic will use two parallel runways? Often depending on where a terminal lies, most AI airline traffic uses the closest runway but not necessarily the opposite parallel runway.
August 23, 200520 yr Moderator >I have three questions about AI Traffic optimization.All three of your questions have been asked and answered many times. Might I suggest using the "Search" function to locate the answers? They are rather involved, and it would be much to your benefit to read all the replies as they were originally written.The short answer is "yes, there IS a solution" to all three questions. Fr. Bill AOPA Member: 07141481 AARP Member: 3209010556 Avsim Board of Directors | Avsim Forums Moderator
August 23, 200520 yr Well, since Bill Leaming are not interested in helping :-walksmile , then I think that I will.Answer to question 1:There is a way to make them go faster. You can do this by DL Ken Salter's great tool called FS9 configurator. This tool you can find by searching in the file library for Ken Salter, or the name of the file which is fs9cfg16.zipThis utillity will make your planes taxi faster and get of the runway faster.Answer to question 2:Go search in the file library for a nifty little program called AIseperation. The filename is aismooth_v100.zip, and it works very well :-outtaAnswer to question 3:OOOPPPSSSS, that is one you need to talk with the AFCAD2 clever doods, and may I suggest you to do so in the Project AI Forum that you can find at the following address http://www.flightsimmer.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=22I hope that the above will help you in your quest. :-beerchugDennis VogeliusP.S. Bill Leaming it might be that this guy is a :-newbie here. If all you could do was to tell him is to use the search button, then why reply at all. It does not take longer for you to help than to tell him to search. :-wave
August 23, 200520 yr As regards parallel runways, 1) download Afcad, 2) open the airport in question3) do Lists, Runways4) select each of the parallel runways in turn and close one end of each for landings and the other for take-offs. Make sure you've done that the right way around so that one runway is open for each in each direction!5) alternatively, pick the longer of the 2 parallels and close both ends of that for take-off, then block the shorter of the 2 for landings - I understand the longer of two possible runways is always used for landings for obvious safety reasons6)if you want to be clever, there is a flag for "right hand pattern" select this where you would want aircraft to fly a right handed pattern to avoid crossing the other active runway in the circuit - obviously this should be set for one direction on each of the two parallel runways (i.e. if you are taking off, consider which way you would turn to turn AWAY from the other runway)7) there is a base heading for each runway - make sure these are identical - from experience they can be set a fraction of a degree different to each other, which I presume is to force use of one runway or the other based on wind direction - which is exactly what you don't want. Altering the runway heading by a few 10ths or even 100ths of a degree doesn't seem to have any impact on AI taking off and landing8) save the file, that's all there is to it - seems to work OK One thing that doesn't seem to work in FS is that you can taxi across one active runway to get to the other without any facility to get a clearance from ATC. I'm sure that doesn't happen in real life!
August 23, 200520 yr Moderator >Well, since Bill Leaming are not interested in helping>:-walksmile , then I think that I will.>P.S. Bill Leaming it might be that this guy is a :-newbie>here. If all you could do was to tell him is to use the search>button, then why reply at all. It does not take longer for you>to help than to tell him to search. :-waveIs it possible that I replied simply because no one else had bothered?Your assertion that I didn't offer "help" is false. I prefer to teach folks HOW to fish, rather than simply giving them a bite off my sandwich.Bill"Prodesse Quam Conspici - To do good rather than be conspicuous""I used to have a life: now I have GMax, C Gauges and FS9." Fr. Bill AOPA Member: 07141481 AARP Member: 3209010556 Avsim Board of Directors | Avsim Forums Moderator
August 23, 200520 yr >>Well, since Bill Leaming are not interested in helping>>:-walksmile , then I think that I will.>>>P.S. Bill Leaming it might be that this guy is a :-newbie>>here. If all you could do was to tell him is to use the>search>>button, then why reply at all. It does not take longer for>you>>to help than to tell him to search. :-wave>>Is it possible that I replied simply because no one else had>bothered?>>Your assertion that I didn't offer "help" is false. I prefer>to teach folks HOW to fish, rather than simply giving them a>bite off my sandwich.>>Bill>>"Prodesse Quam Conspici - To do good rather than be>conspicuous">"I used to have a life: now I have GMax, C Gauges and FS9.">Bill I do agree with you just a little. But why do we always have to climb over the highest fence, when there often is a gate we can use. All the this guy wanted was help :-zhelp , and not learn how to fish :)I just can't see the big deal in helping him when he ask so nicely. I mean, I really do not mind sharing my sandwich with some one else, and beside. This guy might not even like fish :) . I am even sure that he find your sandwich much more attractive :-spam1 Well all I want to say, is that none of us will starve by sharing some of the knowledge that we posses.Just my humble oppinion.Happy flying Dennis Vogelius*:-*
August 23, 200520 yr AI Seperation and AI Smooth are two different add-ons of the same flavor.AI Seperation slews AI out of your way quite rapidly.AI Smooth seperates AI from each other and optionally from you with user selectable distance thresholds such as approach seperation in second, range, etc. The AI are placed in holding patterns at an appropriate distance from the final vector.The only operational problem I found was if Respond to User Aircraft was enabled and I was sitting parked as in spotting, no AI landed. Instead I disabled this and set AI separation to 90 seconds which lets me merge into the string of pearls arrival at high density times. Some users note an occasional AI crash or odd attitude and I suspect those aircraft are being manipulated outside their flight envelope. Since on arrival my head is in the cockpit I have not noted this.I also use Ken's FS Configurator to speed AI taxiing slightly so they clear the runway faster.Between AI Smooth and FS Configurator the long line of aircraft in the take-off queue quickly shrinks with the 90 second seperation and I can get squeezed in the arrival line reasonably using a TCAS display to maintain my seperation by speed adjustments.AI Smooth V1.00 freeware is bundled with the release of Just Flight's Traffic 2005 as being here in the libs.
August 23, 200520 yr Hi,#1 and 2 have been answered, so I won't touch on those.The way I handle the parallel runways is this:1. I do some spotting at the airport and find out which runway is used most for landings. I.e. the north runway will be used more for airports located in the South (more flights arriving from the north). 2. Close for takeoffs (both ends) the runway used most for landings. This will force the takeoffs onto the runway with more capacity.This (along with AISmooth and speeding up the taxi speed) has minimized the number of missed approaches.Hope this helps,--Tom GibsonCal Classic Propliner Page: http://www.calclassic.comFreeflight Design Shop: http://www.freeflightdesign.comDrop by! ___x_x_(")_x_x___ Tom Gibson CalClassic Propliner Page
August 24, 200520 yr >>>Well, since Bill Leaming are not interested in helping>>>:-walksmile , then I think that I will.>>>>>P.S. Bill Leaming it might be that this guy is a>:-newbie>>>here. If all you could do was to tell him is to use the>>search>>>button, then why reply at all. It does not take longer for>>you>>>to help than to tell him to search. :-wave>>>>Is it possible that I replied simply because no one else had>>bothered?>>>>Your assertion that I didn't offer "help" is false. I>prefer>>to teach folks HOW to fish, rather than simply giving them a>>bite off my sandwich.>>>>Bill>>>>"Prodesse Quam Conspici - To do good rather than be>>conspicuous">>"I used to have a life: now I have GMax, C Gauges and FS9.">>>>Bill I do agree with you just a little. But why do we always>have to climb over the highest fence, when there often is a>gate we can use. All the this guy wanted was help :-zhelp ,>and not learn how to fish :)>>I just can't see the big deal in helping him when he ask so>nicely. I mean, I really do not mind sharing my sandwich with>some one else, and beside. This guy might not even like fish>:) . I am even sure that he find your sandwich much more>attractive :-spam1 >>Well all I want to say, is that none of us will starve by>sharing some of the knowledge that we posses.>>Just my humble oppinion.>>>Happy flying >>Dennis Vogelius*:-* I don't want to get into a shouting match here but I do appreciate everyone's help. I like fish and I do know how to use a search. I am a newbie to this forum. I was quite sure that someone would have an answer to my question and would be kind enough to share knowledge quickly. Bill, you and I share another hobby where mentoring and being a good Elmer is part of the fun. Don't hold this against people.Again, my thanks to everyone's suggestions. I will try them all. John N8MDP
August 24, 200520 yr Just to add a little more to this thread, I was lookingaround the flight simmers forum the other day and thereare some guys working on a way to use high speed run-offtaxiways somewhere on the runway that allows landing AIaircraft to leave before reaching the place where theywould normally leave, if this can be made to work in areliable way it would be a great asset to us all.Here is the link: http://www.flightsimmer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38353Sorry I've just read it again and I have given you somefalse information, this is to prevent ai aircraft back-tracking a runway to the nearest exit, but it could stillhelp at some airports...sorry about that!Catmar __ Catmar
August 24, 200520 yr Moderator >Bill, you and I share another hobby where mentoring and being a good Elmer is part of the fun.--- -.-, John. I'm afraid that I'm the "Fudd" side of Elmer's psyche though... ;)I cannot help but wonder when someone gazes on a loaded buffet and then asks, "Is there anything here to eat?" :)In any case, at least you have more than enough to eat now, thanks to those who were so gracious as to point out the best of the buffet offerings to you...73 de N4GIX:-sun1 Fr. Bill AOPA Member: 07141481 AARP Member: 3209010556 Avsim Board of Directors | Avsim Forums Moderator
August 24, 200520 yr Well, I was going to ask similar questions to the original poster. I am not altogether a newbie, but A1 Traffic has never bothered me until quite recently. I use A1 at 30%. On my Fs9 setup not only are A1 aircraft slow leaving the rwy, but they stop completely!! (while they contact ATC for a place to park I guess). Another thing a few of my A1 aircraft are as 'naked as a jay bird'; no livery, just grey paint primer :), why is this do you think? (see pic attached). Lastly, A1 aircraft crew are constantly on the radio to ATC, not only in flight but but on the ground; this causes the ATC Window to keep popping up at the most inconvenient times i.e. when I'm landing - I've taught myself quite a few new cuss words lately :)KenSomerset, England
August 24, 200520 yr Hi,The reason they are solid gray is that the texture folder/files for that livery are either not there, not specified correctly in the texture= line, or the texture files are in the wrong format (like 24 bit).Use the FS9 Configurator to speed up the taxi speed (it's in the Tools menu) and that should help them avoid stopping on the runway. Reducing the toe_brake_scalar will also help, but will increase the landing roll somewhat.I change the Options/Settings/ATC entries to not pop the ATC window up unless they are talking to me and expecting a response.Hope this helps,--Tom GibsonCal Classic Propliner Page: http://www.calclassic.comFreeflight Design Shop: http://www.freeflightdesign.comDrop by! ___x_x_(")_x_x___ Tom Gibson CalClassic Propliner Page
August 25, 200520 yr I use the excellent MRAI installer to load the excllent MRAI flight plans www.mostrealisticai.comOne of the useful things that does is to run through your whole AI set up and check for integrity errors.This will pick up a lot of errors - including missing textures - and list them out for you.Other things it checks for are out-of-sequence fltsim numbers, incorrect of omitted mdl or sim statements, duplicated aircraft etc etcNot what the software was designed for (there may be specific offerings out there I'm not aware of) - but very useful all the same.You will need the installer and at least one MRAI flightplan - you need the latter because the integrity check comes after you select the flightplan to process - however you can bale out after the integrity check without actually putting the flightplan into your system.One warning - you may be horrified how many errors MRAI picks up the first time you run it!
August 25, 200520 yr The MRAI Installer is definitely a must have utility to check your aircraft.cfg files.And yes it is frightening how much it finds !!!Another great tool is Aircraft Analyzer 2005 (ACA2005) does much of the same things as the MRAI tool, but is strictly for getting your aircraft organized.http://aita2004.pvdveen.net/
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