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Anyone using PFC USB turboprop TQ with Q400 or Turbo Duke v2?

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I would like to know if anyone has experience using the PFC USB turboprop TQ with the Real Air Turbo Duke v2 and the Majestic Q400. I am most interested in learning if you've been able to use fsuipc to program the detents built into the TQ for the beta range on these planes.

 

Thanks,

Robert

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As far as I am aware, the Q400 comes with its own configuration software to set up throttle lever positions and so on...

 

You need to configure the values yourself by hand. I run a Saitek Cessna Pro yoke and have configured the throttles accordingly such that the beta and reverse range is accessible through the levers...

 

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Mine will be delivered in a couple of days; I'll let you know.

Gordon, that would be terrific and most appreciated. 

 

I'm looking for some reassurance from someone who has actually been able to setup the detents with this particular hardware. PFC's sales department has been very discouraging in this regard. Essentially, they've told me to use X-Plane if I want to use their TQs. Due to their stiff restocking fee, I was hoping to get some further actual user feedback before taking the plunge. I look forward to your report.

 

Thanks.

As far as I am aware, the Q400 comes with its own configuration software to set up throttle lever positions and so on...

 

Andrew, thanks for your input. It turns out I too use this built-in facility for setting up my Saitek TQ. I was hoping to get some actual user feedback with the PFC turboprop TQ before proceeding with this purchase.

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Gordon, that would be terrific and most appreciated. 

 

I'm looking for some reassurance from someone who has actually been able to setup the detents with this particular hardware. PFC's sales department has been very discouraging in this regard. Essentially, they've told me to use X-Plane if I want to use their TQs. Due to their stiff restocking fee, I was hoping to get some further actual user feedback before taking the plunge. I look forward to your report.

 

Thanks.

 

Andrew, thanks for your input. It turns out I too use this built-in facility for setting up my Saitek TQ. I was hoping to get some actual user feedback with the PFC turboprop TQ before proceeding with this purchase.

 

No problem.

 

I've just bought a second hand bundle on ebay ( http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/322010392482 )

 

I only intend to keep the turbo prop throttle, will be selling the other 3 as they are of no use to me for the aircraft I like to fly in P3D.

 

I will test with the Duke and Q400 and let you know how it goes.

 

I'll receive the delivery next Tuesday, so it may be Wednesday or Thursday by the time I get it set up and tested.

 

Cheers

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Gordon, I could't link to what you bought, because the link has been deleted. But so long as the TQ is of the USB variety, then your results are eagerly anticipated.

 

Thanks,

Robert

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Gordon, I could't link to what you bought, because the link has been deleted. But so long as the TQ is of the USB variety, then your results are eagerly anticipated.

 

Thanks,

Robert

 

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Wow, Gordon, what a find! Should definitely be USB since purchased new within the last year. I await your findings.

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Wow, Gordon, what a find! Should definitely be USB since purchased new within the last year. I await your findings.

It's arrived!

 

Should be able to test tonight or maybe tomorrow; and I'll give you feedback regarding the turboprop detents on Q400 and Duke.

 

Cheers

 

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Gordon, thanks for the update. Looks like my anticipated setup exactly, except I was going to pass on the 3-lever TQ and just make do with the basic 6-lever TQ, much as I now do with my dual Saitek TQs. Even though I understand you're not going to keep the jet TQ, please also let me know any thoughts you might have about it if you give it a try.

 

Thanks again.

Robert

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Hi, i am new to the Aviation filed and learning the skills of this field. As i am an engineer, so i have little technical query.

Can you please share the details of the interfaces you people use to connect the external devices?

Also what are the Q400 and TQ?

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Can you please share the details of the interfaces you people use to connect the external devices?
Also what are the Q400 and TQ?

 

USB is the interface generally used to connect external devices to a computer. Examples are mice, keyboards, and gaming controllers such as joysticks, yokes, pedals, etc. It's ubiquitous, and if you own a contemporary computer, you are using it when you plug virtually any external device, except your monitor, into the machine.

 

The Q400 is a complex, third-party turboprop aircraft produced by Majestic Software. If you are new to flight simulators, this aircraft is probably not right for you just yet.

 

TQ is short for a game controller designed to serve as a throttle quadrant. In its most basic form, it transmits commands for power, propeller pitch, and mixture.

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Here is a quick video of the PFC throttle with the Q400.

 

The throttle quadrant was automatically recognized and installed by Windows 10, very easy to calibrate and test like any other normal game controller in Windows.

 

Axes and button are all assigned in FSUIPC and working perfectly.

 

The Q400 is a bit different as you have to tweak the detents in the Q400 control panel, but to be honest it only took about 15 minutes to get it all set up and working.

 

Haven't re-installed the RealAir duke yet as I just done a system reinstall for P3D v3.2/

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eOKm0xgb-Q&feature=youtu.be

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Gordon, thanks for your report and the video demonstration. They were very helpful. My order has just been sent. I'll let you know how things work out.

 

Robert

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Gordon,

 

Did you happen to notice if the console was recognized in P3D settings before using FSUIPC for setup? I have a Cirrus yoke arriving tomorrow and held off ordering the console and TQ to confirm compatibility, no need for the turbo prop function at this time just the standard twin engine quadrant. Is FSUIPC required to get it functioning?

 

Nice hardware!

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Gordon,

 

Did you happen to notice if the console was recognized in P3D settings before using FSUIPC for setup? I have a Cirrus yoke arriving tomorrow and held off ordering the console and TQ to confirm compatibility, no need for the turbo prop function at this time just the standard twin engine quadrant. Is FSUIPC required to get it functioning?

 

Nice hardware!

Sorry Gary, I didn't actually try and assign the axes in P3D before I went straight into FSUIPC.

 

The throttle console does indeed show up in P3D as an available control device just like any other joystick/throttle; but I'm not 100% certain if the axes work via the default controller setup.

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Well that is a good start, if it turns out I can not assign the axis options then I will use FSUIPC.

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Just a follow up on the the PFC Cirrus yoke and throttle, in Win 8.1 with P3D V3.1.The OS recognized and will calibrate the yoke and throttle (the one built into the control yoke console), in P3D the yoke is recognized in the settings and will calibrate, but the throttle is not recognized as a throttle axis or a slider in the settings options.USB cable from the unit is to a direct PC USB 2.0 port, other controllers I use have no issues.

 

I tested the Cirrus yoke with an older PC with FSX, Win XP install and the yoke and throttle do work properly so it is not a PFC hardware problem.Now have to get up to speed with FSUIPC and see if it will work bypassing P3D settings. 

 

Night and day difference use the PFC yoke, very smooth in use.

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I am using it on the Q400 and am having no problems calibrating it, either with FSUIPC or Majestic's utility.

 

However I am totally disappointed at how unrealistically stiff the detents are. To move the power levers into reverse requires so much force, I'd have to brace the console with my other hand or bolt it to my desk. On top of that, tech support is rather unhelpful. No suggestions except the telephonic equivalent of a shrug. A shame. Their sales, shipping and production staff could not be nicer, or more enthusiastic about their work.

 

Bottom line, though, reverse gates in real airplanes do not require two hands. Perhaps that sort of mechanism is simply too complex or costly to implement in something like this. That said, it is a 495-dollar product, and that's just for the quad, not the mandatory console.

 

Don't get me wrong, it is still world's ahead of Saitek. However, no one should have to pay so much money and then grind down detent ramps with a Dremel tool, just to make it work as intended.

 

Like everything else in this thing of ours, it's a tradeoff. On balance, I suspect, a decent one. Still, it leaves a bad taste.

 

Best,

 

Marshall

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Marshall, I got notice of this post and your latest round the world video at the same time, and didn't know which to check out first. As you suggest, always tradeoffs. But the video will have to wait.

 

I'm glad to hear the turboprop TQ is indeed programmable for the Mighty Dash. I have ordered the TQ Console and the basic 6-lever TQ and they will be delivered tomorrow. I wanted to check out the basic setup and how comfortable I am with it before investing in the turboprop TQ and the 2-engine jet TQ.

 

I have some suggestions for how to handle the problem of securing a stiff TQ (and a sliding yoke for that matter) to a desk and thus avoid having to use two hands, bolts or clamps. I have a fancy desk that precludes me from using bolts or clamps. I've been using this system for about 15 years now and it has worked flawlessly with Saitek equipment. And so far it has worked just fine with my new PFC yoke (see below) and I intend to use it with the PFC TQs as well and fully expect that it will handle the problem of the turboprop TQ's stiff detents.

 

First, get a batch of Sticky Pads by HandStands Products. See http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001L2V3F2?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00

 

I probably overdo it, but I use 4 such pads for the PFC yoke where 2 might be adequate. I place them on my desk so they line up with the 4 corners of the yoke and will not be seen once the yoke is in place. These are designed to protect my desk's surface from being damaged by the materials used in the next step. If this is not of concern, you can skip using these Sticky Pads. (I should note that I first tried using just these Sticky Pads and nothing else, but that never worked for me. There was simply not enough adhesion and things slid around.)

 

Second, get some Scotch heavy duty velcro-type fasteners. See, e.g.,

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00347A8EO/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_img?_encoding=UTF8&colid=3SWMZ4CK7JQCL&coliid=I1X8E39X5SSBZ4&psc=1

 

I do not separate the 2 parts of each strip and leave them stuck together. I remove the protective paper from one side of the strip and paste the strip to a Sticky Pad. I do this for all 4 Sticky Pads. Then I remove the protective paper from the top of the 4 strips to prepare them for adhering to the bottom of the yoke. Then I carefully place the yoke on top of the 4 Sticky Pads so that it will adhere to the strips, pressing down hard to ensure a strong seal. That's it. The yoke doesn't move an iota no matter how far you pull back or push forward.

 

As I said above, I plan on using this same procedure with the PFC TQ Console. I hope I will just have to secure the Console in this fashion and not the TQs themselves since they apparently lock into the Console. Indeed, if I were to have to secure the TQs themselves, I don't think my procedure would work and I'll have to come up with another solution or forego the PFC TQs.

 

Marshall, I hope this may be of assistance to you.

 

To those who've been participating in this thread and my other one concerning PFC hardware, here's where I'm at.

 

I got the PFC Cirrus Saab Yoke on Friday and couldn't be happier. It's a night and day difference from my Saitek yoke. My approaches and landings are nothing like they used to be—which is a good thing—and I couldn't be happier. The button I've assigned to elevator trim sticks occasionally, but I am hopeful that will work out with more use. Otherwise everything seems fine.

 

I miss a hat switch but have some workarounds that will just take some time getting used to. I'm able to use the hat switch on the GamePad I use with Opus Views for a circular movement around the aircraft or the cockpit, but can't seem to get the GamePad buttons to work for moving the POV say 45 degrees above or below the aircraft when in Locked Spot view; just left and right and up and down. Stephen at Opus uses an X-52 joystick to provide the missing hat switch and I may follow suit.

 

I'll provide more feedback next week.

 

Robert

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Robert,

 

Excellent advice. I'm about to do something similar with 3M Command picture-hanging strips, Velcro on one side, and a non-permanent adhesive on the other that has very, very, very high shear-strength, so it resists slippage, but low adhesion otherwise.

 

I love those people! Same folks who turned a failed adhesive into Post-It notes! (And I'm taking a Dremel to the detents to make them ramp-in more smoothly.)

 

Best,

 

 

Marshall

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Marshall, I will keep that Dremel (I had to look it up) in mind. Thanks for the tip. And I'll check out those 3M Command picture-hanging strips, which I'd been unaware of.

 

Thanks again,

Robert

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My PFC Turboprop TQ is finally setup and I’m able to report back on my experience.

 

Basically, Gordon and Marshall have said it all. There’s nothing to it. It works just fine in the Dash 8 and the RealAir Turbo Duke v2. 

 

Yes, the firmness of the detents is a problem, as Marshall has noted, and—once I felt them myself— gave me serious second thoughts about whether my solution for affixing the TQ Console to my desk would work. In an abundance of caution, I used the four sticky pads I’d mentioned above, but covered them with more Scotch fasteners than I had originally anticipated. I used two feet of one inch wide Scotch fasteners, which is actually four feet of fasteners because you need to lay down two layers, one to adhere to the sticky pads and then another layer on top that will adhere to the bottom of the Console. There’s no movement of the Console at all, no matter how much force I need to pull the levers past the detents.

 

My chief remaining concern is whether I’ll ever be able to move both Power levers past the detents at the same time. I assume this is how real pilots do it, but am not sure. As it is now, they are so stiff I can handle only one at a time. So I have to be real quick after touchdown to keep the thrust symmetrical. This may ease up with continued usage, but Gordon’s video, which uses a TQ that’s a year old, suggests otherwise. It is possible, however, that his TQ, which he acquired used, my have seen little use and is essentially brand new like Marshall’s and mine. I’ve given some thought to Marshall’s suggestion to grind away some of the detent, but I’m somewhat concerned about gumming up the works with metal dust. I think I’ll first let Marshall experiment with this.

 

Calibrating, assigning and programming the levers is a cinch in Windows, fsuipc and in the Dash’s Control Panel. 

 

The only problem I’ve had is with assigning the Console’s Rudder Trim dial to the Dash. I just can’t come up with an assignment in fsuipc that will work. Gordon, in your video you show it working. Any chance you can let me know how you accomplished this? Might you have used Linda to make the assignment, which is what I plan to try next?

 

I also got 3- and 6-lever TQs and the Advanced Jet 2-engine TQ. All work as they should and, along with my Saab yoke, add a whole new dimension to my flying.

 

As long as I’m at it, let me add a note about programming the reverser levers on the Jet TQ. This gave me grief for awhile and it might be helpful to others who get this TQ. Please also bear in mind that I’m not a programmer, and my fsuipc skills rely on trial and error more than any understanding of what I’m doing. This solution may be obvious to others but didn’t dawn on me right away.

 

I knew from the start that I wouldn’t be able to assign fsuipc’s reverser commands to these levers. I knew you needed to use a button process similar to what you’d do with the 2-button area below the levers on a Saitek TQ, using fsuipc’s Throttle Cut and Throttle Decr commands. The problem I encountered was that on my machine the PFC gear requires that I reverse virtually all axis assignments made in fsuipc. I had great difficulty applying this to the reverser button programming. The trick is to setup the various parameters as you ordinarily would, forgetting about the need to reverse them. Then, simply swap the commands previously entered for ranges 1 and 2 and you’re set to go. Simple indeed, but took me awhile to figure out.

 

Thanks Gordon and Marshall for your valuable input. It really helped with my decision to proceed.

 

Robert

 

P.S.: Marshall, thanks for your recent P-47 videos. They induced me to take it out of storage.

 

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Robert,

 

No. It's not realistic. Otherwise you'd have airliners sliding all over the runway due to assymetric reverse. A shame, but there it is. 

 

Will report back on the grinding and carving.

 

Best,

 

Marshall

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Thought I might resurrect this thread as I have just received my PFC TQ with the same throttle sets including single, twin, Turbo Twin & 737 style jet.

 

As with you guys I have found the Turbo unit is very stiff going through the stops. Although I have only used it once in flight I was able to get into reverse on landing without much difficulty after Velcro'ing the TQ to my desk. I had already previously done the same to my SAAB yoke as my desk is laminate finished & quite smooth/slippery. Without the Velcro the whole unit would tip forward. The other throttles all work without causing this.

 

Although the throttles & Props seem to work OK with effort the port side condition lever is the one I have great difficulty with. It seems that I need to pull it quite a way to the left before I can move it to cut off.

 

I think also there seems to be a bit of a technique to getting these levers through the detentes as I found in the short time I have played around with the throttle I seemed to be able to get it to work easier at times than others.

 

Anyway have any of you guys anything further to report on this issue? Has the movement become easier after some use or has the Dremel had to be used? I have fired off an email to tech support but after reading through these posts again this morning it doesn't look like I'll receive much help there though. I did however get great service from the sales staff & shipment of my set was faster than anticipated & arrived in Australia in a few days. I received an email re shipping on the Friday morning & tracking had the shipment leaving Sydney by Sunday morning. I'm in Brisbane & delivery was early yesterday morning Wednesday my time. Original advice was that shipment was forecast to leave the factory that day, not delivered. Can't complain about that!

 

On another note I was using the Real Air Duke with the turbo throttles & although early days I found the aircraft really twitched around badly when adjusting the props. Any of you guys had the same? I did however like that as I returned the throttle to idle the Beta lights came on on the panel. Made taxiing a lot easier being able to use Beta mode.

 

All in all most impressed with the build quality & smoothness of the units, just like the yoke which I have had for about six years now. Definitely recommend them (although the wife & my bank balance aren't so sure) :-)

 

Cheers,

 

Ross

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