Would all "cap wearers" like some CHEESE for your WHINE.If the complainers are not happy with the product, either do a better job or in the case of some who have FDE tweaking skills offer assistance to make the product better. If a developer chooses not to take a lending hand, so be it. If simply helps us more cautious in our future decision making process.Comparing products is good and leads to show the positive and negative of each. The griping and fussing makes alot of you sound worse than a NAGGIN WIFE. Let us not forget the conceited ones who claim to know everything, especially when we do not do research before blowing our canons of hot air.It is a Hobby to be enjoyed although some of us (myself included) take it abit more seriouslyThere are some really valid points being made however, for the bashers I guess they have never made mistakes and have been PERFECT in everything that they do. Unfortunately. it make take someone one or two tries to accomplish something that pleases the general public.Happy Landings

Caps off Guvnor, honest.Now lets take a look at what you say.Somebody with FDE skills, surely not ? Why should the "buyers" have to correct a commercial product, released with the claim of tested and flown by "real" pilots ? Surely this makes the buyers not buyers at all but beta testers ?As for the conceited ones who know all, I assume you direct this at Captain Sim themselves ? You only need to look at the many qoutes from bona fide and respected members to see it is indeed the Captain and comrades who are conceited, especially as one layman such as myself, would expect a commercial developer to have done his (her / a.n. other "real" pilots included) to have made genuine research ?I dont think this thread or aothers regarding C.S. are unfair, especially when you take into account there is nowhere else to voice your opinion / frustration, they pulled that outlet when people spoke the truth of what was going on and greeted with condesending and insulting replys.I do suspect strongly, CS simply dont care as long as they have your money. From experience, I've found this typical of many over the age of 18 from the former Soviet block, that said there are some fine fellows. CS and it's Oligarchs, seem to have let fame (and more important to them fortune) go to their head, even in Russia, they would not be forgiven for poor service and out and out lies, however, for as long as there are greedy western third party publishers feeding them with promised world wide sales and fat royalty cheques, why should they care about a few who sound like nagging wives ?Do svidanja Ash

Hey Crosswind, I don't agree that we're whiners, complainers, gripers and fussers that sound worse that a NAGGIN WIFE (whatever that is, but it sounds like you could write a thesis on it), conceited know-it-alls, and that we don't do our research before we blow our canons of hot air (btw, that could be the problem). We continue to complain because the issues and problems are still outstanding and the response by CS to the FS community has been rude, to say the least. billg

As I said, some have made valid points based on past experiences, however two main options still apply; (a) buy the product, or (:( do not buy the product.Also as noted, mistakes made are mistakes learned. Personally, I have bought one product from CS, and it was the 727, only because I teach "aircraft systems" on the 727. there were several shortcomings I agree, and yes the thing flew like a brick with rockets attached to it. i like many others posted my findings for inaccuracies which they never corrected....."there loss", for me several bad dollars spent, but I have also learned not to put much faith in another product of theirs too soon. Reviews and feedback from fellow simmers will be floating around after the c-130 is released, and this may or maynot encourage me to look at the long anticipated C-130.Customer Service is THE KEY FACTOR to maintaining good clientel with any product. For those intersted in the C-130, may it satisfy your needs.Regarding the whiners, gripers, fussers, etc. There are a given group of folks that usually have nothing positive to say about anything. i believe in constuctive criticism, I think it makes for a healthy argument, but when the "bashing" starts it makes the thread rather distasteful.

>Would all "cap wearers" like some CHEESE for your WHINE.>>If the complainers are not happy with the product, either do a>better job or in the case of some who have FDE tweaking skills>offer assistance to make the product better. If a developer>chooses not to take a lending hand, so be it. If simply helps>us more cautious in our future decision making process.For those of us who have already experienced the unconstrained joy of a Captain Sim customer experience, this IS our future decisionmaking process. As one who has done a lot of the aforementioned FDE "tweaking" for defective commercial products (often more along the lines of complete FDE re-engineering) I got tired of it. I can buy add-ons from a number of vendors that do not require me to write my own FDE to make them work.>Let us not forget the>conceited ones who claim to know everything, especially when>we do not do research before blowing our canons of hot air.Oh dear, there we go again about research. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're the same girl who was (quite incorrectly) spouting off about the Majestik Dash-8 being certified by the JAA in another thread. Still trying to lecture folks on the value of proper research so soon after that? Tut tut.>There are some really valid points being made however, for the>bashers I guess they have never made mistakes and have been>PERFECT in everything that they do. Unfortunately. it make>take someone one or two tries to accomplish something that>pleases the general public.Captain Sim released a number of very imperfect products. But it wasn't a one-time shot...the real beef is that they showed little to no effort to correct the imperfections before moving on to fleece a new group of customers with a new poorly-crafted product. It's a recurring theme. CS has had their one or two tries times a hundred by now. But if you'd done some of that research you keep talking about you'd know that.Bob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-V L-300Santiago de Chile

"Let us not forget the conceited ones who claim to know everything, especially when we do not do research before blowing our canons of hot air."It took you long enough to answer.......Bob. I was beginning to wonder if you were gonna miss out on adding your 2 cents. As for the Majestic project. You need to let sleeping dogs lie and move on. Now that the hot air has been released I hope you feel better.:-lol :-lol :-lol :-lol

Just spotted, new support staff.(note the cool ship in the background.... PRO version only $85.00 payable in easy weekly instalments)

>It is a pretty simple decision for me. >>No 707 Update = No more purchases from CS, including the Herc.>>>Their reputation speaks for it's self. A little more effort on>their part to release a patch might have saved it and created>some happy return customers. Too late now! >Too many other high quality add-ons out there to waste time>and money with their beta quality stuff. >>>>I'm 100% with you John. I was a CS 707 victim. CS is the only addon maker that removed it's forum due to user complaints. They decided instead of fixing thier product bugs, to amputate thier customers. And now they innocently market further products??? Come on!!! be real !!!

>Just spotted, new support staff.>>(note the cool ship in the background.... PRO version only>$85.00 payable in easy weekly instalments) I had to register just to say that this is the funniest thing I've ever seen in the FS community. :D Rich Rodriguez

crosswit wrote:>As for the Majestic project. You need to let sleeping dogs >lie and move on.In that thread, as in this, you chastised folks for not doing their research and then made statements that show, definitively, that you have done none yourself.Once again, great job poking me in the finger with your eye. Bob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-V L-300Santiago de Chile

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