When I go "adaptive mode" I always get freezes ;-(

 

No idea why. It only works in manual mode for voltage for me.

 

 

Are you adding a little extra voltage? 0.01 - 0.02 usually. Crashing I've heard of due to a need for a fraction more voltage, but not freezes. 

 

Freezes when? When running games? The sim? Or synthetic stress tests? What temps do you see?

 

Are you trying to run a synthetic stress test, like Prime95? Adaptive adds more voltage in that scenario, is CPU temp too high?

 

Have a look at the Asus tutorial. 

Is your CPU Core/Cache voltage still manual?

 

Yeah it is in manual mode right now. I'm actually away at school until Friday, but when I get back I will check out adaptive. Also I might see if I can get load voltage down .01 or .02v, we'll see

Are you adding a little extra voltage? 0.01 - 0.02 usually. Crashing I've heard of due to a need for a fraction more voltage, but not freezes. 

 

Freezes when? When running games? The sim? Or synthetic stress tests? What temps do you see?

 

Are you trying to run a synthetic stress test, like Prime95? Adaptive adds more voltage in that scenario, is CPU temp too high?

 

Have a look at the Asus tutorial. 

 

Hi Martin,

 

yes, I am adding voltage. However when i run Prime95 some threads fail and afterwards the PC stops working.

I found that running P3D even gives me more hangs than Prime95.

 

My temps are pretty good as I use an AIO watercooling system. I barely see more then 65°C.

 

I will make a screenshot of my settings today and post it here, maybe you have a hint for me :-)

 

BTW: I run at 4,4 GHz with manual mode and 1.360 V at the moment which is stable.

I found that running P3D even gives me more hangs than Prime95.

 

 

 

That doesn't surprise me. Some believe that if we are stable in Prime, then we are fully stable in everything, which isn't the case. 

 

BTW: I run at 4,4 GHz with manual mode and 1.360 V at the moment which is stable.

 

 

 

That looks like fairly high voltage for 4.4.

 

Adaptive, your 1.360 + 0.02 = 1.38 should theoretically do it.

 

I'm no expert though.

Yeah it is in manual mode right now. I'm actually away at school until Friday, but when I get back I will check out adaptive. Also I might see if I can get load voltage down .01 or .02v, we'll see

 

 

That's additional voltage by the way. Your manual voltage plus an additional 0.01 to 0.02.

manual voltage for my 6700k at 4.4ghz is 1.34v so i know i ended up with a dud.i have never tried going over 1.35v, i have a water loop so i am considering the 4.6ghz with 1.4v to 1.45v, worried i might fry the cpu.

whats odd my cpu will run across all cores at 4.2ghz and takes 1.235v so the huge jump in voltage i am not sure is worth it.

I wouldn't say it's a dud, it's within the normal voltage range.

 

Just not the best.

 

1.45V is safe, it shouln't result in excessive degradation.

 

You won't fry your chip. If ever it gets too hot it will throttle back and then shut down above TJ Max.

 

You can buy Intel's performamce Tuming plan too. If your CPU is damaged overclocking Intel will send you a new one.

 

You could also try 5 way optimisation, just to see what Asus auto rules makes of it.

 @martin: I am running now like this (see screen) and it looks stable until now. Nevertheless I seem now to be at the spot where temps are around 80°.

 

http://www2.pic-upload.de/img/30623022/Capture.png

Is that 80 degrees running Prime?

 

I'm not a fan of Prime, try Rog RealBench for a more realistic stress test. Plus the software you run day to day, P3D.

 

Which AIO is that? Arctic Liquid Freezer?

i use a corsair h110, with mine at 4.4ghz 3.4v i run a max of 64c, i am gonna try 1.4v at 4.6ghz and see what happens.i will post my results.i don't use prime95, i use cinebench.

i thought i would post my results, i get 4.6ghz at 1.375v. at 4.7ghz i am able to boot but hangs when i start my flight sim.should i go to 1.42v at 4.7ghz? i am at 75c under load and 30c at ilde, i am in florida and it's hot all the time even with air on.

Hi

Aggre with Martin,

For get it to run properly , realbench and if you wil have some fun Intel XTU is good have a stability test and a benchmark ther you see how efficient your system is.

Aida 64 have a nice stabitility test good for find what is wrong,

Sometimes it can be the mems , flightsim can be harder to the mems than prime95.

In Aïda 64 run only FPU test for Max temp and only mem and cash if you not sure if Its the mems.

And you can run the Default Aïda 64 settings but that not give you highest temp on CPU but quite good stability test .

 

Have lot of CPUs that not degraded with high voltage , example my 4770k 5ghz cb15 1.32v for now.

 

That one have approx +90hours with 100% load bench at 6.4ghz vcore1.87v mems 2.03v (hard on memcontroller) with Extreme cooling.

 

Running 24/7 5.0ghz 1.32v 24/7 today.

Is that 80 degrees running Prime?

 

I'm not a fan of Prime, try Rog RealBench for a more realistic stress test. Plus the software you run day to day, P3D.

 

Which AIO is that? Arctic Liquid Freezer?

 

I was running Rog RealBench, the one from the Asus page!

 

After this I ran 3D Mark Firestrik. After this I took of in P3d with the PMDG 777 from FlyTampa CYYZ... All without problems.

 

And yes, it was 80 degrees, with the Arctic Liquid Freezer 240.

i thought i would post my results, i get 4.6ghz at 1.375v. at 4.7ghz i am able to boot but hangs when i start my flight sim.should i go to 1.42v at 4.7ghz? i am at 75c under load and 30c at ilde, i am in florida and it's hot all the time even with air on.

 

 

75 degrees in your everyday applications or during a stress test? If you are at 75 degrees at 4.6 GHz while running your day to day software, then personally I wouldn't go higher. 

 

Personally, I like to be a bit conservative and not exceed 70C or so in normal use. That way, if the weather goes bonkers and we get a heat wave [like last week in the UK, no air con in the UK] and the ambient temp shoots up 10 degrees, I'm still not exceeding my preferred CPU max temp for day to day use of 80 degrees.

 

Not sure what the weathers like in Florida, I know it's damn hot, but what about consistency? Is the ambient temp consistent, or do you get significant fluctuations in ambient temperature. Worth considering these things. We don't want to be fine in the winter, but then above our preferred CPU max in a summer heatwave. Or does your homes air con keep the ambient nice and stable?

 

The other point to consider before you decide to up the frequency to 4.7, is what will that achieve? 4.6GHz to 4.7GHz will give you bugger all in terms of frame rate. Don't forget, overclocking is linear in a properly balanced system. 4.6 to 4.7 is a minuscule 2%. in terms of frame rate, at 30 frames per second, that's a meaningless 0.6 frames per second. 

 

Is it worth it? You decide!

 

I was running Rog RealBench, the one from the Asus page!

 

After this I ran 3D Mark Firestrik. After this I took of in P3d with the PMDG 777 from FlyTampa CYYZ... All without problems.

 

And yes, it was 80 degrees, with the Arctic Liquid Freezer 240.

 

 

Higher temps while running a stress test are acceptable, the important thing is the temp when running your everyday applications. In my opinion 80 in stress test = acceptable. 80 in P3D = a bit too high for my preference. 

 

ROG RealBench is a great choice. As you read, both Westamn and I favour it. And Westman is far more of an expert at this stuff than me. 

 

As I mentioned to Brett above, I prefer not to exceed 70 degrees or so in normal use. But that's my preference for the reasons stated. It was unusually hot here in the UK last week. Heat waves are something we experience from time to time and I like to consider that in terms of thermals, so as not to exceed 80 degrees in normal use even in a heat wave.

 

Many don't consider that. They are comfortable with 80 degrees but they forget the impact a higher ambient will have in the summer. As I said though, most of us in residential homes here in the UK don't have air con, we just have central heating for the winter. So in the summer, heat waves do impact us in therms of room temperature, so it's common sense to consider that.

 

The bottom line when overclocking is to determine the delta temp, and then consider what that CPU temp would be if the ambient in a summer heat wave shoots up.

 

The Arctic Liquid Freezer is a reasonable 240 AIO. But of course, if you wanted to stick to 4.6Ghz but improve thermals, a Corsair H110 would drop the temp to [i'm guessing] about 70 degrees.

 

The bottom line though is that both you and Brett are experiencing overclocks within the norm for Skylake. Skylake yields have been remarkably consistant. 4.6 to 4.8GHz for most.

Thank Martin.

 

In my opinion the gains I get from 4.4 GHz to 4.6 GHz in most games is not worth the noise I get from the coolers.

At 4.4 GHz my system is completely silent, even under heavy load.

 

That changes at 4.6 GHz drastically :-)

 

So maybe I will go back to 4.4 GHz for now.

 

PS: Do you really think that the Corsair H110 is so much better? I wouldn't have expected that.

 

 

That one have approx +90hours with 100% load bench at 6.4ghz vcore1.87v mems 2.03v (hard on memcontroller) with Extreme cooling.

Holy s** ! That's incredible. What's the cooling ?

 

 

 

The other point to consider before you decide to up the frequency to 4.7, is what will that achieve? 4.6GHz to 4.7GHz will give you bugger all in terms of frame rate. Don't forget, overclocking is linear in a properly balanced system. 4.6 to 4.7 is a minuscule 2%. in terms of frame rate, at 30 frames per second, that's a meaningless 0.6 frames per second.



Is it worth it? You decide!

 

Definitely is, the whole purpose of the game here   We're not looking for that single 2% performance increase as a single, but as a whole. 2% here with that 100mhz, 2°C here with that additional fan, 2fps there with that specific nvidia driver, and so on !

A daisy chain where we drop weak links one after another.