2. Selected the default 'Scenario';

 

What do you mean by this? The default scenario should already be there without selecting it. That's the whole point of a default scenario.

Sorry, Kyle, I meant to imply that I had definitely opened P3D with the default scenario before loading the PMDG B777. Pardon my sloppy phraseology! :wink:

 

Mark

 

 

Sorry, Kyle, I meant to imply that I had definitely opened P3D with the default scenario before loading the PMDG B777. Pardon my sloppy phraseology!

 

No worries. It just looked like you were loading with some other state, or, perhaps loading the sim such that it goes directly into a flight before going to change the flight setup later on.

 

 

 

What is going on?

 

Sounds like a corrupted panel state, then. Either that, or power isn't properly applied to the aircraft somehow.

No worries. It just looked like you were loading with some other state, or, perhaps loading the sim such that it goes directly into a flight before going to change the flight setup later on.

 

Sounds like a corrupted panel state, then. Either that, or power isn't properly applied to the aircraft somehow.

So would it be a good idea to re-install the T7? Or do you suggest some other approach?

So would it be a good idea to re-install the T7? Or do you suggest some other approach?

 

Some other approach, meaning just about anything except reinstalling. Reinstalls rarely fix anything, and just waste time. If done incorrectly, it can cause larger issues than the one you'd attempted to fix.

 

To fix a panel state, simply delete the file and recreate it on your own.

Sorry, Kyle, I meant to imply that I had definitely opened P3D with the default scenario before loading the PMDG B777. Pardon my sloppy phraseology! :wink:

 

Mark

It's best to start P3D with the Select Scenario screen showing, not the default scenario loaded. Check the box on the Select Scenario screen that says something like always open this window on start.

 

My default scenario is the B-58 Beech at my home airport, but I never load it unless I actually want too do something with that specific scenario.

Dan: I always start P3D with the 'Prepar3D Scenario Setup' screen, with the F-22 Raptor at Eglin AFB, etc., as that is what comes up when P3D loads. I haven't created any other default scenario, nor shall I, as the advice is always to start with that screen and then create or select the setup you want to fly from. I guess I shouldn't have referred to it as the 'Default Screen'.

 

Kyle:

 

To fix a panel state, simply delete the file and recreate it on your own.

 

Do you mean delete the 777's Panel.cfg file in toto? That seems a bit drastic!

 

I've quite a bit of experience modifying FSX panel.cfg files, usually getting the results I want after some trial & error, but I would be very unhappy trying to recreate one from scratch. Doesn't sound as if "simply" is the right word...

 

Would you please explain in more detail what you mean?

 

 

Do you mean delete the 777's Panel.cfg file in toto? That seems a bit drastic!

 

 

Hi  did you actually  ready  what kyle  had  said , he  said  panel  states   not  panel  cfg  totally  different,  you need  to go  to your  pmdg  777 panel  states folder   and  delete   all the  saved  one   dont  delete  the  default  ones.  You  can  save  the panel   state  folder  to a save location if  you want   to  so  you can  revert  back  again

 

 

Do you mean delete the 777's Panel.cfg file in toto? That seems a bit drastic!

 

I'm not sure what "in toto" means, but I'm going to assume you mean "in total," so, no.

 

 

 

Would you please explain in more detail what you mean?

 

Panel state files are not panel.cfgs. If I were referring to the panel.cfg, I would've referred to it as such.

 

Go to:

[Your P3D Folder]\PMDG\PMDG 777X\PanelState

 

In there, you should see all of the panel state files you've created.

 

If you have modified your cold and dark panel state (saved over it at some point), delete it. Then load the sim, shut the aircraft down using the procedure at the end of Tutorial #1, and then save a new cold and dark panel state.

 

 

 

 

To be honest, though, this really shouldn't be all that difficult. Either you've done something to your aircraft that you shouldn't have, or you're not following the directions in the tutorial.

Hi Peter, Yes I "did actually ready  what kyle  had  said". He said: "To fix a panel state, simply delete the file and..."

 

Somewhat naturally I thought he meant the panel 'file', not a panel 'state' in a folder I was not even aware existed.

 

Thank you for putting me right on this issue.

 

 

Thank you for putting me right on this issue.

 

So  have  you got  it   fixed  yet your  issue  or  still having  issues

Thanks, Kyle, for explaining what I failed to understand about the PanelState folder and where to find it. I was unaware that there was such a thing.

 

There is a file '777 CLDDRK.sav' dated 18 Jul 2014, which seems to me to be the original Cold & Dark file. So I don't need to make a fresh one.

 

I haven't made any modifications to the 777, so  it should be OK if I load the C&D state.

 

 

I haven't made any modifications to the 777, so  it should be OK if I load the C&D state.

 

Yes. I believe this is what the tutorial calls for, however, so I'm not sure why we're currently where we are now. How was another state being loaded...?

Yes. I believe this is what the tutorial calls for, however, so I'm not sure why we're currently where we are now. How was another state being loaded...?

 

I originally started with the 777 on taxiway Z1 outside the hangar and followed Tutorial 1.5 eventually taxiing to Gate C2.

 

Then I again followed Tut.1.5: 'Shut Down at Gate C2' and 'Flight Preparation'.

 

It was when I got to: 'Go to the RTE page, enter PFO103 (PMDG Flight Ops 103) in the Flight Number field, and then press <REQUEST.' that the trouble started, since the message 'No Routes Available' appeared. Nothing I could do at this point would let me 'select LOAD, then activate, and finally EXEC.'

 

This was when I began asking for help on this forum.

 

Now I cannot find any way of opening a a flight in the Cold & Dark state, so I am about to start at Gate C2 and follow the instructions in Tutorial 1: 'Shutdown Procedure', from Page 102 to Page 107, and 'Secure Procedure' to arrive at a Cold & Dark state.

 

From that I shall go to 'Cold and Dark Start Procedures Supplement' and 'Preflight', etc, up to and including Page 121. Then start with Tutorial 1.5 'Flight Preparation'.

 

This is my plan. I hope it is logical and will get me flying!

 

Mark

 

 

I originally started with the 777 on taxiway Z1 outside the hangar and followed Tutorial 1.5 eventually taxiing to Gate C2.
 
Then I again followed Tut.1.5: 'Shut Down at Gate C2' and 'Flight Preparation'.
 
It was when I got to: 'Go to the RTE page, enter PFO103 (PMDG Flight Ops 103) in the Flight Number field, and then press

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Things are starting to make more sense now. The whole tangent about panel states originated from your first post on this page referring to certain displays not being powered properly. Re-reading it, though, I think what you're seeing may just be normal behavior. While on BATT power alone, you will not see much: the plane will restrict power to the various consumers to ensure you don't wear the battery out unneccessarily. My guess is that you may not have waited long enough for the APU to be fully started with the GEN available. That, or might you have clicked on the APU GEN switch to "turn it on" (assuming it was like the 747 or Airbuses), turning it off in the process (it'll automatically select the APU GEN, which is why I only wrote that you should turn on the BATT and select "start" for the APU in the tutorial)? The power up procedure takes a decent amount of time. It's also highly dependent on proper power state.

 

 

 

Now I cannot find any way of opening a a flight in the Cold & Dark state, so I am about to start at Gate C2 and follow the instructions in Tutorial 1: 'Shutdown Procedure', from Page 102 to Page 107, and 'Secure Procedure' to arrive at a Cold & Dark state.

 

The power up procedure from C2 that I wrote in Tutorial #1.5 is not from cold and dark, so putting yourself in a cold and dark state at C2 is only going to cause you more of an issue because it's adding variation to a procedure that's already seemingly causing issues.

 

I'm getting the feeling that a lot of the issue here stems from not following things to the letter. If you're not 100% sure what it's asking for, stop. Pause the sim and grab the Intro or Tutorial #1 if you need it. While pages 35-37 somewhat gloss over the step-by-step of setting the runway on the DEP/ARR page, the PDC and taxi clearance from ATC should be the prompt to do so (specifically page 35 with its mention of "additional information to act upon:" Runway 30 and CAPTL8 DEP). More detail on all of that (to include the step-by-step) is in Tutorial #1 if it's needed. Admittedly, however, I could have been a little more clear about this step, as just about all of the other steps are prompted with a bullet/dash.

 

Since we're now four pages in and still seeing issues, my suggestion would be to start over entirely. Load the sim up at Z1. Follow the entire tutorial from there. It may be frustrating to hear that, but I think the repetition will be beneficial to getting you into the proper workflow of interacting with the aircraft. At the same time, it may be more beneficial for now to take Tutorial #1 and try using a different route pair. The benefit to this approach is seeing if you can adapt the flows and techniques you learned in Tutorial #1 to different scenarios. Tutorial #1.5 wasn't meant to be "another Tutorial #1 that you can jump right into." It was published a little over a year after the 777 came out as an additional challenge to those who were looking to add more realism into their established procedures.