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Computer Upgrade Advice? (FSX box)

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I am using a dedicated computer to run fsx/acceleration (box), with ORBX and a number of saitek devices.

My current configuration is described below. I'll preface by noting that I am NOT particularly tech savvy, but am seeking advice on which component(s) would make the most sense to upgrade in order to realize improved fsx performance.

Thank you,
Brian

Windows 7

CPU: Intel i5-2500k 3.3 GHz

Motherboard: ASUS P8P67

Graphics Card: HIS Radeon HD6870

Memory: G.SKILL Ripjaws X 2x4GB

Power Supply: Corsair VX550

Disks: Samsung Spinpoint F3 500GB

Case: Lian-Li PCK-62

Monitor(s): 2 of: ASUS VH238H 23"

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Thank you Vortex.  I had wondered about overclocking, but given my lack of tech knowledge, didn't know if it a practicable alternative.

 

Do you have any suggestions on what I should direct a service tech to do if I bring it into a shop for this?  I don't want to be taken for a ride,

 

Regards,

 

Brian

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Thank you Vortex. I had wondered about overclocking, but given my lack of tech knowledge, didn't know if it a practicable alternative.

 

Do you have any suggestions on what I should direct a service tech to do if I bring it into a shop for this? I don't want to be taken for a ride,

 

Regards,

 

Brian

It's not too difficult to overclock yourself. In the link I posted there's a page specifically for your motherboard. It has automatic overclocking options built into the BIOS which, whilst they might not reach the full potential of your CPU, should give you a reasonable boost. If you have any problems you can always select the default settings in the BIOS to return to a normal, working setup. It's important to have a good cooler and to monitor the CPU temperature throughout.

 

If you decide not to try it yourself, I would make sure that your service tech is familiar with overclocking and you should be OK. Again, to be safe you should make sure you have (or he installs) a good cooler to keep the temps under control - anything that came with the CPU originally will almost certainly not do the job.

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Thanks Joel,

 

Any advice on which model?

 

Brian

 

GTX 1060, (or 1050 depending on your budget)

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Thank you Bert.

 

I'm not really proficient in tech, so I am wondering if you know of a suitable model/version 1060?  When I looked online, I found a wide array of models varying quite a bit in price, I assume based on brand, memory and speed -- but don't know which fit-out is best suited for fsx?

 

Brian

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I should probably provide additional information on my setup.  It includes Orbx North America, Global FTX and Vector.  Also, the following Saitek devices:

 

Proflight yoke and throttle

 

Proflight cessna trim wheel

 

Proflight rudder pedals

 

Radios: (2 of)

 

Multi panel

 

Switch panel

 

Flight instrument panels (FIPs):  (8 of)

 

I don't know if this info matters, but I assume they place a demand on system resources.

 

Thanks,

 

Brian

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Thank you Bert.

 

I'm not really proficient in tech, so I am wondering if you know of a suitable model/version 1060?  When I looked online, I found a wide array of models varying quite a bit in price, I assume based on brand, memory and speed -- but don't know which fit-out is best suited for fsx?

 

Brian

 

Pick a brand you like... EVGA, Asus, MSI are all good brands.

Not sure the specs matter that much.. sometimes you get a better price on

one than the other..

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CPU: Intel i5-2500k 3.3 GHz

 

 

Overclock this to 4.6 ghz easily, that's why you bought a K series chip, isn't it ?

 

 

Graphics Card: HIS Radeon HD6870

 

 

 

Get rid of this and buy a good Nvidia card that fits your budget.

 

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A question about a new 1060 card:  is the following sufficient, or is there a further benefit to increase it's memory and/or speed -- to what?

 

Description:  Bus Interface: PCIe 3.0 x16, Max Memory Size: 6144 MB, Core Clock(s): 1708 MHz, Memory Clock(s): 2002 MHz, Graphics API Support: DirectX 12.0 OpenGL 4.5 Max TDP: 120 W

 

Thanks,

 

Brian

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Ok, I'm heading out tomorrow to get a 1060 graphics card.  Here in Canada, everything costs more (much) but I'm willing to spend it if there is a benefit to my setup.  Unless otherwise advised, I'll go with 3GB (versus 6GB) of memory, and 1,53/1,73 GHz (boost) clock.  Is there a benefit to faster?

 

I'll also be overclocking the i5 2500k to somewhere in the 4,x range (with a new cooler),

 

Thanks everyone,

 

Brian

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Thank you for the heads-up re; EVGA cards.  Too bad, they had some attractive options.

 

A stupid question -- is there a downside in going with one of the smaller single fan models (I don't know the "tech description" for these types) when running fsx and Prepar3d?  I'm assuming I would be better off spending a bit more and getting a dual fan alternative.  True?

 

I currently have a HIS Radeon HD6870 dual fan gpu installed, so I'm assuming (??) the dual fan Nvidia model(s) will fit.

 

Brian

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The EVGA overheating VRM issue is quite rare apparently, so you probably wouldn't even notice it if you bought a card to be honest. I wouldn't buy one  though, not when other manufacturers are producing such great products without such issues, like the Asus Strix for example.

 

EVGA have released a BIOS update that increases fan RPM to address the issue. Not a very good solution really as it would also make the cards nosier, so regard it as a temporary fix. The optional thermal pads available from EVGA are working well it seems.

 

One does wonder though, how a reputable company like EVGA lets these issues slip through.

 

ACX coolers are generally very good, but this isn't the first time issues have appeared. My old GTX 770 with ACX 2.0 has a rattling heat sink at certain RPM. And then there's the issue I had with  my GTX 980 Ti Classified's cooler. That too has an ACX 2.0 and that too had a rattle. The rattle it suffered from was horrendous, I was forced to RMA it.

 

I do wonder how an issue that affected 7 series cards would still be an issue in 9 series cards.

 

 

A stupid question -- is there a downside in going with one of the smaller single fan models (I don't know the "tech description" for these types) when running fsx and Prepar3d?  I'm assuming I would be better off spending a bit more and getting a dual fan alternative.  True?

 

 

 

Generally speaking, the single fan designs are usually the reference design coolers, now known as the "founders edition". These cards are the Nvidia reference design. No overclocking and the basic cooler. Third party manufacturers like EVGA, Asus, MSI then overclock the cards, upgrade various components like the VRM's for example and install there own design coolers that often have two or even three fans. Third party manufacturer's coolers usually cool better and quieter.

 

 

I currently have a HIS Radeon HD6870 dual fan gpu installed, so I'm assuming (??) the dual fan Nvidia model(s) will fit.

 

 

 

You would need to look at the dimensions of the card you intend to purchase. The length of the card will be stated. It's simple enough to measure your case in order to see if it fits.  

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Thanks for all of the help.

 

Win 7 versus Win 10 in my situation? ...

 

I'm afraid I have (hopefully) one last question.  Remember, I'm running an i5 2500k (3,3ghz) -- about to be overclocked, 8gb ram and a new msi GTX 1060 (3gb) cooled, all to run fsx/acceleration (boxed) and a few orbx type add-ons, and 2-3 1080p monitors.  I currently use windows 7 but the fellow doing the cpu overclocking is pressing me to go with win 10.  He really doesn't know anything about fsx/prepar3d, and I'm not tech savvy enough to know the best course.

 

My question:  Is there any performance benefit to be attained in migrating to win 10 from my current win 7 install?  I have just reinstalled win 7 so everything beyond that will be a new install.  Personally, I was fine with win 7 before the new gpu, but I don't know what I don't know so maybe an OS update is a smart idea?

 

Any practicable advice here?

 

Regards,

 

Brian

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No benefit in going to Win10, if you are happy with Win 7 (64 bit version..)

 

Many of us, myself included, are staying on Win 7-64.

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Hello Bert,

 

Thank you for the advice.  Between posting my question and receiving your (very quick!) response, I googled the question and ended up right back here on another thread at Avsim with a lot of matching advice and experience.  Yours is the way I'm going to go -- especially since the pc isn't used for anything other than a flight simulator, i.e., no banking, shopping, email and the like.

 

Again, thanks for your hands-on advice,

 

Brian

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Thank you again Bert.  I'm afraid I'm going to complicate the situation in that I'm now contemplating trying out Prepar3d v 3,4, which Lockheed recommend operate on a Win 10 platform (unlike earlier generations which they say are fine in Win 7).  This leads me to more seriously contemplate a clean Win 10 install, but I am reading about all sorts of drama getting FSX (boxed) and Saitek devices stable on 10.

 

Any advice out there that will clarify whether the FSX (boxed)/Saitek Win 10 set-up issues are still an issue or not would be appreciated.  If yes, I'll have to make a decision on which sim and OS to settle on,

 

Best regards,

 

Brian

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I would be surprised if you require Win10 for P3D to run properly.. but check the P3D forum.

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Hi Brian,

 

If you will get a good cooler put on your 2500K I will call you (or skype) at home in Vancouver and work you through overclocking it. I have a lot of experience working on the sort of bits and pieces, and the bios you have listed there.

 

Along with a 1000 series Nvidia card you can have excellent FSX or P3D performance with a substantial, but safe overclock.

 

I'll help you. Not a problem.

 

Kind regards,

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