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I tried downloading some photo scenery from http://zonephoto.x-plane.fr/Cartes.php and after a long attempt to get Java working, I was successful, but the slow download speed is killing me. It's as if I went back in time to when I used a phone line to access the web. :smile:

 

All kidding aside, is there an alternative location to get these files?

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Mmmmmmmm, downloaded some tiles yesterday 10Mb/sec with high speed internet....

Which tiles are you looking for btw?

 

Grtz

Jozeff

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I never managed to get Java working with that site at all so I created a few tiles of my own using Orthox4XP... It takes quite some time and still doesn't look too good so I am back to default scenery for now. Looking forward to photoreal payware for XP... ;)

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??? Kb/sec 

Downloading a FL section (Hernando) at the moment at 40kb-100kb. Really bad!

 

Sometimes it pauses. Then restarts. The nightmare continues.

I never managed to get Java working with that site at all so I created a few tiles of my own using Orthox4XP... It takes quite some time and still doesn't look too good so I am back to default scenery for now. Looking forward to photoreal payware for XP... ;)

The only browser that worked for me is IE. I had to add

 

http://zonephoto.x-plane.fr

 

to the exception list in Java config.

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For me it works just fine. Although setting up the Java applet was a pita. ;-)

If you've got enough hard drive space, you should have a look at ortho4xp, which lets you build your own photo scenery for free (at the desired zoom level)!

 

ZL17 with very dense autogen trees, buildings and night lighting.

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Mmmmmmmm, downloaded some tiles yesterday 10Mb/sec with high speed internet....

Which tiles are you looking for btw?

 

Grtz

Jozeff

Just Florida. After I test Hernando, I'll decide if I want to download anything else.

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Looking forward to photoreal payware for XP... ;)

Why is there so little photo scenery available for XP? It makes no sense to me that everybody is out there making their own.

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Why is there so little photo scenery available for XP? It makes no sense to me that everybody is out there making their own.

That makes perfect sense, if you ask me.

You can very easily create your own photo scenery, fitting your needs and hardware. For the cost of zero!!! Why do people fear to give that a go??? It's not rocket science. ;-)

You have to pay quite high license fees if you make a commercial product out of the available ortho photo data.

 

KBUR in California for $0:

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How long would it take me to learn the tools, download the data and assemble say, states of CA, OR, WA, AZ, UT, CO, NM, NV?

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That makes perfect sense, if you ask me.

You can very easily create your own photo scenery, fitting your needs and hardware. For the cost of zero!!! Why do people fear to give that a go??? It's not rocket science. ;-)

I gave it a go, it's not rocker science indeed, but the quality of the photoreal can be real bad in places and often sou clearly see huge color differences (even when using one source). Creating tiles at higher zoom levels and color corrections no everything takes ages... if you know how to get it done. It is a lot of work. Too much work for me because I like to fly.

 

How long would it take me to learn the tools, download the data and assemble say, states of CA, OR, WA, AZ, UT, CO, NM, NV?

Depending on the zoom level that will literally take quite a few days of constant downloading (and without the color correction) and make sure you have an HD which a few terabytes free.

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I would pay $100 for good, color corrected ZL16 photoreal scenery per US state or european country in a heartbeat. I wouldn't even need autogen, just orthophotos on a decent HD/UHD quality mesh would be fine for me.

 

But it doesn't look like we will get something like this anytime soon. But I'll rather wait than spend the time in creating my own. I did it for the PilotEdge area, but only because it's a very managable region and still I don't like the color differences and may switch back to default scenery.

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agree with Jeroen, 

 

it is a LOT of work. 

 

It can be done free and indeed not rocket science (not that easy either), but don't lead the newcomers to xp to believe it's a piece of cake pls.

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Almost 4 hours to download one section. On a different server, it should have taken about a minute.

 

I hope that these files are available to download from somewhere else.

 

Thanks for your input.

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I would pay $100 for good, color corrected ZL16 photoreal scenery per US state or european country in a heartbeat. I wouldn't even need autogen, just orthophotos on a decent HD/UHD quality mesh would be fine for me.

 

But it doesn't look like we will get something like this anytime soon. But I'll rather wait than spend the time in creating my own. I did it for the PilotEdge area, but only because it's a very managable region and still I don't like the color differences and may switch back to default scenery.

not for zl 16, but maybe 17 or higher ;) 16 is pretty basic when you get to around 2 - 3000 ft

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agree with Jeroen, 

 

it is a LOT of work. 

 

It can be done free and indeed not rocket science (not that easy either), but don't lead the newcomers to xp to believe it's a piece of cake pls.

But, what is to it? Where is the "work"? Seriously??? It takes a bit of time, but therefore, it´s completely free!

Ok, installing Ortho4XP with the needed Python scripts takes a bit of time. But there are 2 very good videos on YouTube, and with their help, I had set up up the whole show in less than 30 minutes! ;-)

And "creating" (a matter of selecting the desired tile on a OSM map, and thereafter clicking 4 boxes) the first tile, took appr. 30 minutes (ZL17, example shown above) to be completed. Even "activating" the automatically generated scenery in the sim is a matter of clicking the tiles on the OSM map in Ortho4XP 1.2. You can even have them on a fast external USB 3 HDD, or a second big internal HDD, no problems at all.

Please DON´T lead new X-Plane users to believe, it would be more than a piece of cake, to make your own ortho scenery!

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i am doing zl17 for the whole united states with orthoxp,i have to find a place to upload it to when i am done.each tile is about 7gb. people will be able to grab a favorite tile for there location,or download the whole country.i have all of the southeast part of the country done using bing.if anyone knows where i can put it please advise.

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But, what is to it? Where is the "work"? Seriously??? It takes a bit of time, but therefore, it´s completely free!

Ok, installing Ortho4XP with the needed Python scripts takes a bit of time. But there are 2 very good videos on YouTube, and with their help, I had set up up the whole show in less than 30 minutes! ;-)

And "creating" (a matter of selecting the desired tile on a OSM map, and thereafter clicking 4 boxes) the first tile, took appr. 30 minutes (ZL17, example shown above) to be completed. Even "activating" the automatically generated scenery in the sim is a matter of clicking the tiles on the OSM map in Ortho4XP 1.2. You can even have them on a fast external USB 3 HDD, or a second big internal HDD, no problems at all.

Please DON´T lead new X-Plane users to believe, it would be more than a piece of cake, to make your own ortho scenery!

well good for you ;)

 

I will let the absence of freeware ortho speak for itself. Not tomention the title of this thread ;)

 

peace

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well good for you ;)

 

I will let the absence of freeware ortho speak for itself. Not tomention the title of this thread ;)

 

peace

Indeed, good for me, and everyone who's willing to give it a try! The results are (mostly) breathtakingly good! And again, completely for free!

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The reason there's a real lack of free scenery to download is the huge cost of hosting the massive files.

 

Simheaven used to host a lot of files, but due to the costs of server space and bandwidth he stopped it. This is also the reason why the zonephoto.x-plane.fr site uses an ugly java plugin to stop folks from hammering the bandwidth into the ground with download managers.

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I actually prefer ZL16 because of the lower file size. I fly VFR at all the time with ZL16 and it's good enough for me. That being said, I added gritty details to the tiles and also use Lumasharpen through Reshade, which makes quite a difference.

It might be a piece of cake, but I'm lazy and will rather buy a really good cake than bake one myself. ;)

 

I have only 4-8 hours to spend for flight simming per month, and that is time I want to use for actually flying and not for building scenery, as easy or hard as it may be.

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For me it works just fine. Although setting up the Java applet was a pita. ;-)

If you've got enough hard drive space, you should have a look at ortho4xp, which lets you build your own photo scenery for free (at the desired zoom level)!

 

ZL17 with very dense autogen trees, buildings and night lighting.

deyg98bc7t385zj0g.jpg

Looks to me to be worth a bit of hassle to get this kind of result.

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I actually prefer ZL16 because of the lower file size. I fly VFR at all the time with ZL16 and it's good enough for me. That being said, I added gritty details to the tiles and also use Lumasharpen through Reshade, which makes quite a difference.

It might be a piece of cake, but I'm lazy and will rather buy a really good cake than bake one myself. ;)

 

I have only 4-8 hours to spend for flight simming per month, and that is time I want to use for actually flying and not for building scenery, as easy or hard as it may be.

Ok, good! ;-)

But, you are not "building" anything with Ortho4XP, you know?

You select a tile, or even a few (in batch mode), Ortho4XP does all the work, even shuts down the computer when it's done, and voilà, that's it. ;-) So, you can let it create awesome photo scenery over night, or while you are at work. All for free!

You can add, activate and deactivate your photo scenery per tile on an OSM map in Ortho4XP, by clicking with the mouse on it.

You can even create custom areas with higher resolution per tile. Let's say, you create a tile with ZL16, but you want to have the area of an airport (or 2, or 3) to be in ZL17, 18, or even 19. You simply draw that area on the map and save it, "work done".

 

You might want to have a look at this video, it's by Catstrator, taken from one of his flights during the Flight Angels event. It's not about proper aircraft handling, but in it, you see the sheer beauty of ZL17 photo scenery, created with Ortho4XP. He is approaching LSGS (best skip to 55:00), and the scenery (including dense autogen and even XPX's fantasic night lighting) looks absolutely fantastic! Better than every payware I've seen so far. Even the mesh (HD Mesh v3, which is free-/ donationware) is just out of this world:

 

https://youtu.be/RGLCxkjBs0w

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I know :) I used a batch process for builiding the tiles for the Pilotedge area. But I won't do that again, because while the scenery can look good, there are still issues like differences in color/brightness, airports that don't line up and need additional exclusion zones etc.

 

I would rather pay someone for that work or fly over the normal HD scenery.

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I know :) I used a batch process for builiding the tiles for the Pilotedge area. But I won't do that again, because while the scenery can look good, there are still issues like differences in color/brightness, airports that don't line up and need additional exclusion zones etc.

I would rather pay someone for that work or fly over the normal HD scenery.

Well then! ;-)

I just look at it the other way around:

The scenery looks fantastic, while there might be some areas, where colours don't match perfectly or 3D scenery doesn't line up perfectly with the photo scenery. Therefore, it costs absolutely nothing.

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