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A long term issue I found no real answer anywhere...

 

 

When I fly into mountains with my (now new) FS Global Mesh (or other meshes formerly), I have a constant plopping and "moving" mesh. Even if I fly very near to a montain, it changes its mesh resolution.

 

I have tried LOD, Mesh resolution, textures etc.

Nothing changes.

 

 

Its a bit of immersion killer when you fly towards a mountain and it is always changing its resolution.

 

 

 

Have anyone a suggestions what I could try to solve it?

 

many thanks

 

 

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I have the same issue. I tried a host of settings as well, including tesselation. The result was simply nil. I could improve it a bit by setting tesselation off, but this produces inacceptable water, and doesn't completely resolve the issue either.

 

It probably has to do with tesselation as it was "introduced" in the Prepar3d2 run when tesselation was added, and is indeed limited to mountains. After hours of useless investigations I gave up on this issue and declared it a feature, But as you write, it's a real immersion killer.

 

Should anyone be able to finally resolve this, please mail me, you will get a sixpack of beer.
 

I recall an extended discussion of this on the ORBX forum with virtually no result either

 

Kind regards, Michael

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Hi Guenter,

 

same issue on my side. Especially an immersion killer when flying over mountainous terrain :nea:

 

This has nothing to do with the blurry textures issues! I optimized everything regarding AM and my settings, etc. so that texture loading is definitely fast enough.

 

I think it is just the way P3D changes the texture resolution depending on the distance of the aircraft.

 

Maybe there is a solution out there, I'm not aware of...

 

So: +1 for this topic

 

Marc

 

P.S.: Another sixpack from my side for a solution :wink:

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I see that sometimes but on a limited scale (unpleasant but not really an immersion killer), specially when several meshes are overlaid. I had that in the Samoas, for instance, where OrbX custom mesh clashed with my Ultimate mesh. P3D was obviously drawing the Ultimate first and then when I was closer morphing to the  custom mesh.  If you have several meshes overlaid, try deactivating one for that specific area and see whether that helps.  

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Dominique, I tried that once, activated only one mesh, activated two of them, setting different mesh resolutions, all didn't help much in my case, but perhaps that's an idea worth further pursuing.

 

I see the issue more or less everywhere in mountains, but found it very annoying recently when crossing the mountains from Bear Lake to the new PacSim SLC, and also anywhere around ORBX Catalina.

 

This is 3000 ft GA flying, airliners supposedly will not be hit.

 

Kind regards, Michael

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Hi Michael

 

I don't have these products. I just flew SCA Catalina to check, with the Huey then the L-39. Here and there a rare texture loading late  No relief morphing. There are two meshes overlaid in my setup, Ultimate and SCA. You have a third one (Tim's). it sounds the same problem than for the Samoas. 

 

Bear Lake, you mean 1U7 in Paris, Idaho ? 

 

Do you see it some textures morphing from grass to rock ? As you know, when the slope is steep, the terrain engine converts the textures to a rocky texture within the LOD radius (I believe). There was a clear cut of that issue with a flaw of the mesh (a small spike)

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Yes, takeoff is from 1U7. I've made this tour on ground years ago and it's really picturesque.

 

It's not changing of textures as such, some call it "snapping" which I think is a quite good characterization as it's just small tiles fitting to the final shape. I also observe this in FTX Norway with its fjords.

 

Of course we might get a hint from the fact if others share this "feature" or not. It's definitely something specific for Prepar3d. My FSX is long gone, but I don't recall ever having seen this.

 

Kind regards, Michael

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No morphing, snapping whatever you call it apparent during a brief check from Iu7 in CRM to the mountains south of the lake with OpenLC+Ultimate. Flying low at with L39. Again a rare texture loading late here and there.

 

Looks like an installation issue or that you tax your hardware too much.  

 

Again I do have that from time to time but limited (or maybe I subconsciously hide it :smile:, you know Freud and all that ). And I do fly a lot of mountainous terrain, all the time.

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That's intesting indeed. Thus it might make sense to restart investigation. Thanks for taking your time.

 

Kind regards, Michael

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If you have it on a large scale to the point that it upsets your pleasure to fly, something has to be looked into. Do you have it closer to SLC or all the way ? The CRM own mesh stops very soon after departure from 1u7.

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I recall this notably closer to SLC when the mountains fall (Logan, Ogden). I mostly followed road 89.

 

This was with either Pilot's FTX 2010 or Ultimate, unfortunately I don't recall which one, I have both installed and use them alternativelyy (and can't reproduce it right now because of real work).

 

Kind regards, Michael

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Here is a short video (filmed with my mobile  :P )

 

But you can see very good the issue I (we) have ...

 

 

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But I do. The effect as such is what I see, but not that massive. In my case there are much less patches, perhaps a bit more extended, but overall by far not that annoying. Although it's hard to compare as I am moving more slowly in my C172. Might be the same in a fighter.

 

Really strange we have different results on this. Here are two related topics from the ORBX forum, although they sometimes mix that issue with the blurry texture issue (with a different origin):

 

http://www.orbxsystems.com/forum/topic/120085-scenery-texture-blurloading-time/

 

http://www.orbxsystems.com/forum/topic/114280-orbxp3d-textures-snap-to-crisp/

 

Kind regards, Michael

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Most (all?) of the 3rd party terrain mesh products have multiple LOD levels embedded in their mesh files.  So a 10m mesh file also has 19m, 38m, and 76m mesh grids contained in it.  The morphing occurs when the scenery engine switches from lower (less-detail) to higher (more detail) LOD mesh as the distance from the camera decreases.

 

So it's a dilemma of sorts...use high-res mesh but deal with morphing as the range to the terrain changes, or lower res (or perhaps lower setting on the sliders?) with less morphing terrain.  Logically, high levels of tesselation together with low mesh resolution should produce the minimum amount of morphing, with tesselation mitigating some of the hard edges evident in the lower-res grid.

 

Regards

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I've experienced this even in Early FSX 10 years with semi high res mesh. Not a deal breaker to me, I know it's going to happen. I can remember it first starting for me when I installed  a higher than normal res Grand Canyon mesh.

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I don't recall this from FSX but maybe I just forgot, my last FSX installation was years ago. But I am pretty sure the extent I see this now was not present when I had FSX.

 

However, who knows if this "feature" actually results from Prepar3d or just from recent sceneries as was hinted above. Anyway, I find it disturbing.

 

Kind regards, Michael

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Have you unselected all your addons (including the meshes, Vector etc.) and checked whether you still have the problem  ? I would advise to do it from the scenery library, not a launcher to be sure that there is no external pollution . I am with Bob on one point, it looks like a conflict of meshes but still, with my two last hardware setups  4770+780+tess. one notch below max and 477+1080+tess ultra, I never saw Guenter's video horror story. 

 

I don't remember much FSX, too far away but had you a HiRes mesh then ?

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Most (all?) of the 3rd party terrain mesh products have multiple LOD levels embedded in their mesh files.  So a 10m mesh file also has 19m, 38m, and 76m mesh grids contained in it.  The morphing occurs when the scenery engine switches from lower (less-detail) to higher (more detail) LOD mesh as the distance from the camera decreases.

Hi Bob,

 

I do believe you are right about this. I too experience some morphing but don't regard it as being unduly distracting. I think it's just the nature of the animal. The higher the resolution of the Mesh the greater the likelihood you will see this side-effect. However, I regard it as being a small price to pay for the spectacular enhancements. I am using FS Global Ultimate - Next Generation and loving every moment!

 

Regards,

Mike

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I'm having this exact issue with a fresh installed P3D 3.4. Did anyone ever get to the bottom of a solution?

My specs: I7 6700K overclocked to 4.0Ghz, Nvidia GTX 960, 250gb SSD and 16gb DDR4 RAM

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Has v4 improved concerning this problem?  

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24 minutes ago, J35OE said:

Has v4 improved concerning this problem?  

+1

Major question for me, too.

Kind regards, Michael

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This constant moving and morphing is one of the reasons I abandonded FSX-based sims (for now). Some people say they don't have it but I presume they mean to say they aren't bothered by it because it seems to me this simply is a part of how the scenery works in FSX-based systems. Just like late loading textues this moving and morphing really annoys me and it kills the immersion. Would be nice if v4 solves this but as I said, it simply is due to how the system works... Other sims don't have this luckily.

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16 minutes ago, J van E said:

Would be nice if v4 solves this

I think this is a symptom of low LOD radius required to stay within the limits of 32bit.  I would expect an extension of LOD radius allowed by 64bit to push the loading of higher terrain LODs further away from the user, potentially to a distance it isnt noticeable.  As ever, the extent to which this is practically achievable may be dependent on the relative strength of any PC in a number of areas, including physical RAM, data storage etc

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I watched some V4 youtube videos and noticed there are mesh popping in at near distance.

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