Conzy6

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So i am currently using WOAI and AIFP side by side to create my AI traffic as its easier to add the 787 and A350 as well as creating my own flight plans. Anyway its taken me around 2 months to add what I have done and I really dont want to have to do an uninstall and start from scratch. When I used Ultimate traffic 2 I had my sliders set a max and had no issues like this. I'm not sure if I have missed something or not but all the traffic seems to be landing at the same time. (well 1 aircraft lands and about 8 go around) Anyway I have reduced my sliders to 15% and again still no luck. A lot of empty parking spaces and a ton of aircraft circling the airport. This is really wearing my patience thin so any help would be greatly appreciated. Please see the attached photo to see what I mean.

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Not sure if your still using UT2 or not, if you are, then make sure you untick any airlines you have as plans in UT2 created in  aifp or woai or they will show up as well.

I just stick with one,personally I only use aifp and aig plans.

There are plenty of sites to obtain the paints required

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1 minute ago, mazelda said:

Not sure if your still using UT2 or not, if you are, then make sure you untick any airlines you have as plans in UT2 created in  aifp or woai or they will show up as well.

I just stick with one,personally I only use aifp and aig plans.

There are plenty of sites to obtain the paints required

I completely uninstalled ultimate traffic 2 and any folders left behind so not sure why this is happening tbh.

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Do you have the same plans in both ai addons? Or are they all different.

Did you remove the entries for ut2 as well.

The picture would suggest that you have duplication,  or the plans in aifp are set to low

Can't suggest anything regarding woai as i don't use it.But its possible they use a similar setup for how mny ai to show

 

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So you are just using the flight plans you created using AIFP? Did you only create flight plans for the A350 and B787 ONLY?  The reason I ask is that it appears in your picture that there are NO  A350 or B787 aircraft.  Since you uninstalled UT2 the planes are coming from some flight plans other then the ones you created with AIFP. I'll assume you created flight plans for other aircraft too, like for the ones showing up in your picture. It looks like some 777's, 757's and a few airbus aircraft also.  The problem is the flight plans you created have the aircraft arriving at the airport at CLOSE to the same time.  You would have to change the flight plan times to correct this issue. 

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After reading Bill's post never thought to check

Are these plans you have created yourself or are they from aig or some other plan makers?

If they are ones you have made, then i agree with Bill.You may have set the arrival times too close together 

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The 787's are already at gates, you wouldn't see them as this was taken facing the runway. I dont create any of my own flight plans, I use woai packages and then I download AIG and AIA flight plans from the Avsim Library, I then go on to download models and textures then using AIFP I put them all together. For example I downloaded Thomsons 787 model and texture from United Traffic team. I then downloaded the Thomson flight plan from Avsim Library and using AIFP i put them all together.

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Hi Pete .... I've even found when using flight plans found online, such as AIG, that some are created using real world schedules. If this is the case the plans could also place too many aircraft, at the same airport, at close to the same time which would create the problem.

 

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Hi all,

Something I came across making an AI package for FedEx recently was that if you use separate winter and summer timetables for the same airline then fsx will show double arrivals similar to your picture. This is because although fsx recognizes different days of the week it doesn't recognize the months or seasons. Not sure if this helps any, but something I discovered by accident.

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1 minute ago, Conzy6 said:

The 787's are already at gates, you wouldn't see them as this was taken facing the runway. I dont create any of my own flight plans, I use woai packages and then I download AIG and AIA flight plans from the Avsim Library, I then go on to download models and textures then using AIFP I put them all together. For example I downloaded Thomsons 787 model and texture from United Traffic team. I then downloaded the Thomson flight plan from Avsim Library and using AIFP i put them all together.

Hello Conzy6  ... Ok I got it. The flight plans that you are using, AIG and AIA, have the aircraft arriving at the airport too close to each other. See my above post to Pete. To fix the isssue you would have to reduce the number of flight plans, thus limiting the NUMBER of aircraft, or try to adjust the schedules (IE flight plans) so the aircraft arrival times are not so close to each other.

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Just now, stretch1365 said:

Hi all,

Something I came across making an AI package for FedEx recently was that if you use separate winter and summer timetables for the same airline then fsx will show double arrivals similar to your picture. This is because although fsx recognizes different days of the week it doesn't recognize the months or seasons. Not sure if this helps any, but something I discovered by accident.

Ahh I didn't know this. I always tend to use summer 2016 where I can find them but if not I do use Winter 2016. Maybe this might be causing it. The only thing I'm still sctraching my head about is when I posted on the Fly UK forums one of the members said to me to check to see if I had duplicate flight plans for the same airlines (which I did, about 2 actually) anyway my issue is its different airlines too close together. Say I could have a BA A320 and then 10 feet behind that would be a Croatia Airlines airbus.

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2 minutes ago, bill10 said:

Hello Conzy6  ... Ok I got it. The flight plans that you are using, AIG and AIA, have the aircraft arriving at the airport too close to each other. See my above post to Pete. To fix the isssue you would have to reduce the number of flight plans, thus limiting the NUMBER of aircraft, or try to adjust the schedules (IE flight plans) so the aircraft arrival times are not so close to each other.

Hey Bill, When you say reduce the number of flight plans do you mean deleting individual plans from inside AIFP? :)

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It doesn't matter if you use winter or summer timetables for different airlines. It only really becomes an issue if you use a winter and summer timetable for the same airline. 

 

 

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1 minute ago, stretch1365 said:

It doesn't matter if you use winter or summer timetables for different airlines. It only really becomes an issue if you use a winter and summer timetable for the same airline. 

 

 

Ah ok, that doesn't apply to me in this case but thanks for letting me know for future reference :)

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1 minute ago, Conzy6 said:

Hey Bill, When you say reduce the number of flight plans do you mean deleting individual plans from inside AIFP? :)

Yes you could try that. This would reduce the number of aircraft and MAY help with the issue. So instead of, lets say, 8 aircraft arriving at close to the same time you have 4. But the real problem is the aircraft are arriving at the airport to CLOSE to each others arrival times. If those 4 aircraft still arrive close to each other the go around problem will still occur. You need to space out the arrival times. This can be a tricky and laborious process, but that is the solution.

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1 minute ago, bill10 said:

Yes you could try that. This would reduce the number of aircraft and MAY help with the issue. So instead of, lets say, 8 aircraft arriving at close to the same time you have 4. But the real problem is the aircraft are arriving at the airport to CLOSE to each others arrival times. If those 4 aircraft still arrive close to each other the go around problem will still occur. You need to space out the arrival times. This can be a tricky and laborious process, but that is the solution.

I get what you mean now, Good job I have a week off work :cool: *grabs coffee* 

Thanks for the help.

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9 minutes ago, Conzy6 said:

I get what you mean now, Good job I have a week off work :cool: *grabs coffee* 

Thanks for the help.

Good luck!! Happy to help.

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38 minutes ago, bill10 said:

Hi Pete .... I've even found when using flight plans found online, such as AIG, that some are created using real world schedules. If this is the case the plans could also place too many aircraft, at the same airport, at close to the same time which would create the problem.

 

Hi Bill 

I had that problem a while back with an aig plan for BA, every stand at T5 EGLL

Was full ,ended up taking some of the 747 plans out  worked a treat

Rgds

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 Give the sim time to settle. When you first load a flight, the sim is attempting to load in ALL of the AI for the current time including a buffer or around =/-15 min.  You don't need to change the arrival times of the traffic at all, the sim just wasn't designed to run even 15 arrivals an hour. The plans from WoAI and AIG were carefully created for accuracy, there's no need go messing around with them. Also, when changing your traffic percentages, did you scramble the %'s in the plans in AIFP at all or are they are still defaulted to 1% in which case adjusting the traffic slider won't make any difference at all.

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48 minutes ago, Dave_YVR said:

 Give the sim time to settle. When you first load a flight, the sim is attempting to load in ALL of the AI for the current time including a buffer or around =/-15 min.  You don't need to change the arrival times of the traffic at all, the sim just wasn't designed to run even 15 arrivals an hour. The plans from WoAI and AIG were carefully created for accuracy, there's no need go messing around with them. Also, when changing your traffic percentages, did you scramble the %'s in the plans in AIFP at all or are they are still defaulted to 1% in which case adjusting the traffic slider won't make any difference at all.

Great point Dave!  My post's were based on the assumption the sim had been running. I shouldn't assume so quick. But given that, the problem still may exist at some airports after the sim has been running awhile.

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11 hours ago, Dave_YVR said:

 Give the sim time to settle. When you first load a flight, the sim is attempting to load in ALL of the AI for the current time including a buffer or around =/-15 min.  You don't need to change the arrival times of the traffic at all, the sim just wasn't designed to run even 15 arrivals an hour. The plans from WoAI and AIG were carefully created for accuracy, there's no need go messing around with them. Also, when changing your traffic percentages, did you scramble the %'s in the plans in AIFP at all or are they are still defaulted to 1% in which case adjusting the traffic slider won't make any difference at all.

That was my thought at first so I decided t fly from OMDB - EGLL which took just over 7 hours, when I landed a Heathrow I had the same issue :( They were all 1% in AIFP.

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It also appears after deleting the UT2 Aircraft folder from my sim object list the issue has stopped (bar 2 or 3 aircraft still). However I dont understand how this is the case as its just a list of aircraft and I uninstalled the program so not sure how this could be the fix for it? Can anyone shed light on this or am I just hoping this is what fixed it lol

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After you've loaded fsx go back and change the time, maybe 1 hour forwards. I have always had this experience when I load FSX at busy airports eg EGLL, especially at rush hours. What I've been made to understand is when you first load fsx, aircraft that should arrive within 5 or 10 minutes fsx would start them from cursing altitude some 10 mile or so away and attempt to land them. It does create an unrealistic scenario. They do multiple go-arounds landing one by one until things get back to normal. I think you will find this may well be one of fsx's bugs. Try a medium sized airport or small with traffic to see if you have the same problem. Hope this helps.

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10 hours ago, Conzy6 said:

They were all 1% in AIFP.

 

  Well yeah that's exactly the problem! You have it set to display ALL of your traffic! Changing the slider doesn't do a thing because they are all at 1%, the sim just can't handle that amount of traffic. There's no Flow Control or actual ATC in the sim, controlling your traffic to a number that works in your sim is up to you. Use AIFP to randomize the percentages and then try it out with a % that more suits what works for you.

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