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Panel State Load: Engines don't advance

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I start with an FSX saved flight parked. Then, I Load Panel NGX Default...or even from NGX CLD DRK...and follow startup procedures., Engines spool, but don't advance thereafter. I've tried may Load Panel States---trying to spool up and start engines for  particular Virtual Airline 'test' procedure.  Even if I load a PMDG Tutorial with engines running after pushback, and I cut the engines and restart, the engines don't advance after spooling .  Thanks 

 

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I had a problem similar to this with the T7 not loading correctly after an in-flight save. The plane would load correctly and go through the 40-odd second initialisation period them when that completed nothing would work and it would just fall out of the sky.

After some research I started deleting any saved .FLT files from my [../Users/<myname>/My Documents/Flight Simulator] files before starting a T7 flight and then saving my current flight. Loading the flight from the Load button in the FSX startup window worked every time. Since then I have had no issue. Not sure it will work with the NGX but it's worth a try.


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Thanks, Tony, will give it a try.  Doug


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13 hours ago, Doug Pelton said:

I start with an FSX saved flight parked. Then, I Load Panel NGX Default...or even from NGX CLD DRK...and follow startup procedures., Engines spool, but don't advance thereafter. I've tried may Load Panel States---trying to spool up and start engines for  particular Virtual Airline 'test' procedure.  Even if I load a PMDG Tutorial with engines running after pushback, and I cut the engines and restart, the engines don't advance after spooling .  Thanks 

Hi Doug,

Try loading from a panel state you have set as the default panel state instead of a previously saved flight situation.  The previously saved situation includes a saved panel state -- the previously saved state is likely the cause of your issue.   I have created my own default startup state from the PMDG-supplied cold and dark state - I connected ground power and a/c made sure the doors were open, put on some navigation lights but neither of the flashing ones, saved that panel state and made it my default startup panel state.

I know it may seem more realistic to start up where you left off,  but it is likely that loading your previously saved panel state is causing the problem.

Mike

PS- Repeatedly saving and reloading a panel state increases the probability that the panel state becomes corrupted.  I think that is what you are doing inadvertently.

 

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7 hours ago, speedyTC said:

After some research I started deleting any saved .FLT files from my [../Users/<myname>/My Documents/Flight Simulator] files before starting a T7 flight and then saving my current flight. Loading the flight from the Load button in the FSX startup window worked every time. Since then I have had no issue. Not sure it will work with the NGX but it's worth a try.

Hi, Tony,

I seriously doubt that deleting .flt files in your FSX documents folder had any effect.  The only .FLT file that is active is the one associated with  the specific saved flight you have loaded.   I have many saved flights from the PMDG 777, NGX, and other aircraft, and my saved flights usually load just fine.  Are you shutting down and restarting FSX every time you load a 777 flight, or at a minimum loading a default aircraft such as the trike in between 777 flights?

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Rather than start where I left off, I will end my session at the gate on ground air/power, doors open in a typical "short" turnaround except INS is OFF.  Fuel is left as is and payload is set to zero.  This is saved.  I have my own file name convention going such as 738 KLAS C9 SWA.  Next time I want to fly from KLAS in a SWA B738, I will start with that saved flight and start with my cockpit checks in an aircraft left by the last crew.  Also, next time I fly to KLAS in a SWA B738 I will park at that gate and update the saved flight. True, I end up with more than a few saved but this is how I like to do it. 

On a slow day, I'll sort all my saved flights oldest on top and pick it for my next trip. So easy to keep me entertained.


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9 hours ago, speedyTC said:

I had a problem similar to this with the T7 not loading correctly after an in-flight save. The plane would load correctly and go through the 40-odd second initialisation period them when that completed nothing would work and it would just fall out of the sky.

After some research I started deleting any saved .FLT files from my [../Users/<myname>/My Documents/Flight Simulator] files before starting a T7 flight and then saving my current flight. Loading the flight from the Load button in the FSX startup window worked every time. Since then I have had no issue. Not sure it will work with the NGX but it's worth a try.

 

Tony, my PMDG files only show .RTE, so I think the .FLT is only for FSX. Thanks. Doug Pelton


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1 hour ago, Mike777 said:

Hi Doug,

Try loading from a panel state you have set as the default panel state instead of a previously saved flight situation.  The previously saved situation includes a saved panel state -- the previously saved state is likely the cause of your issue.   I have created my own default startup state from the PMDG-supplied cold and dark state - I connected ground power and a/c made sure the doors were open, put on some navigation lights but neither of the flashing ones, saved that panel state and made it my default startup panel state.

I know it may seem more realistic to start up where you left off,  but it is likely that loading your previously saved panel state is causing the problem.

Mike

PS- Repeatedly saving and reloading a panel state increases the probability that the panel state becomes corrupted.  I think that is what you are doing inadvertently.

 

 

Mike, I went to FSX Saved flights and loaded it without going to PMDG Load Panel. Engines spooled and advanced. But I was not at the airport I need to be at, so I re-located the plane and Saved with another saved-name. Engines spooled but didn't advance.  I think I will clear out ALL of myt saved flights in the Panel and in FSX, leaving saved only the PMDG default Panels, ie, Tutorial, etc.  Thanks so much for responding. 

Doug Pelton


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I loaded my FXS saved flight location....then loaded Panel NGX Short. Spool up but not engine advance.


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18 hours ago, Doug Pelton said:

engines don't advance after spooling .

Hard to understand exactly what you mean when using unfamiliar terms like advance and spooling; however, what i sounds like is you start the engine with the GND selector switch and the engine spools up but doesn't  "advance."  What are your fuel flow rates? What is happening to EGT?  I suggest you be a lot more specific in the description of your problem and maybe we won't take off on another tangent.  It simply sounds like the engines are motoring, a term than means start air is turning them at maybe 28%N2 but they haven't ignited and started burning fuel.  Sorry if that is not the case but that's all I can gather from your description.


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7 hours ago, Mike777 said:

Hi, Tony,

I seriously doubt that deleting .flt files in your FSX documents folder had any effect.  The only .FLT file that is active is the one associated with  the specific saved flight you have loaded.   I have many saved flights from the PMDG 777, NGX, and other aircraft, and my saved flights usually load just fine.  Are you shutting down and restarting FSX every time you load a 777 flight, or at a minimum loading a default aircraft such as the trike in between 777 flights?

Mike

Hi Mike,

when flying long haul I usually don't have the time to finish it off in one go so yes, the flightsim is started fresh (usually the next day) and in the initial FSX window I do have the trike spinning around. I then hit the Load button from that same screen and select the flight I want to continue. I am aware that complex add-ons such as the T7 and more recently the FSL bus prefer a clean sim start even if one wants to change liveries.

Funnily enough when I fly for one of the VAs I am a member of their own ACARS client does a stellar job of recovering the flight and allowing me to continue from where I left off. My standard in-sim saves (which I usually name as xxxxyyyy - as in the ICAO airport identifiers - never work. I have recently enabled FSUIPC's autosave function but have yet to do a long haul to check if that works.

Tony


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5 hours ago, downscc said:

Hard to understand exactly what you mean when using unfamiliar terms like advance and spooling; however, what i sounds like is you start the engine with the GND selector switch and the engine spools up but doesn't  "advance."  What are your fuel flow rates? What is happening to EGT?  I suggest you be a lot more specific in the description of your problem and maybe we won't take off on another tangent.  It simply sounds like the engines are motoring, a term than means start air is turning them at maybe 28%N2 but they haven't ignited and started burning fuel.  Sorry if that is not the case but that's all I can gather from your description.

Dan, the EGT iis 376;  FF rates   .65

Thanks

Doug


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5 hours ago, speedyTC said:

Funnily enough when I fly for one of the VAs I am a member of their own ACARS client does a stellar job of recovering the flight and allowing me to continue from where I left off. My standard in-sim saves (which I usually name as xxxxyyyy - as in the ICAO airport identifiers - never work. I have recently enabled FSUIPC's autosave function but have yet to do a long haul to check if that works.

Hi Tony,

I am not familiar with VA ACARS clients, but  maybe it is saving the necessary files somewhere other than  the normal file locations, or maybe it has been installed with file write permissions that need to be given to FSX itself.  Or  to put it another way, try running FSX As Administrator.  Also, after the 777 finishes loading, what happens if you load the panel state with the same name as the file you just loaded?

Mike


 

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I will do (or at least start, save then restart) a long haul in the T7 in the very near future and keep a record of the various stages of saves. With and without FSUIPC autosave but without the VA's ACARS client just to be sure that that isn't writing anything to the drive. I do run FSX as admin.

Thanks for the help!


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12 hours ago, Doug Pelton said:

Dan, the EGT iis 376;  FF rates   .65

Thanks

Doug

We seem to have a couple of topics going here, please excuse me if I has a stupid question.  Okay, that might be a good ground idle FF so we know the engines are running, and not just spooled up and motoring.  Now when you say they don't advance, does this mean you cannot increase thrust by moving your throttles given the conditions you provide in your first post?  When the condition exists where you cannot increase thrust, do the throttles in the VC cockpit move when you move your throttle controller?  Does N1 change at all? What about the F3 key incremental increase throttle key, does that increase thrust?  Trying to get the whole picture since I'm not looking over your shoulder.


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