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Ok,

what's the best ( if it's even possible... ) way of porting an FSW install, on a PC with a good internet access, to one where the internet runs miserably ?

There's that Steam Game Backup option, and I did run it and it created a folder with 25 subfolders named "Disk_1..25" - the 25 install disks ?...

Can I simply start the install in the new machine, and then interrupt and restore that backup, without having to download the game twice ?

In the new machine, where the backup will be restored, does t"Flight SIm World" have to be installed into the exact same tree structure for it to work ?

Say I installed initially to Programs, and in the new machine I want to install it in the F: partition's root. Will the restore option work that way ?

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Step 1: Install Steam on the second PC which you intend to copy FSW to

Step 2: login to your Steam account

Step 3: begin the download for FSW

Step 4: wait long enough for a progress indicator to appear

Step 5: cancel the download

Step 6: close steam (exit from the system tray, don't just click the x to close)

Step 7) copy the *contents* of the following directory from the computer containing existing Steam library to second computer:
Step 8) (drive letter where you have Steam installed e.g. C:\)program files (x86)\steam\steamapps\common\FSW -> same directory on second computer
Step 9) wait until done copying
Step 10) reopen Steam
Step 11) launch game - Steam will go through quick first run process for the first time you launch FSW but that's it - FSW will now open!

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Thx for that Techyguy - looks simpler tyan IU thought it might be :-)

 

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For sure!  It's really just a copy and paste job with a couple extra steps.

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I thought it would miss the runtimes install that takes place at the end of the install process that way... 

Thx

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Just to be clear, the method I outlined works for moving from PC to PC, or from hard drive to hard drive.  The application Jimm linked appears to only move games from one drive to another on the same PC.  Something which Steam itself can take care of for you, anyway.  

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3 minutes ago, TechguyMaxC said:

Just to be clear, the method I outlined works for moving from PC to PC, or from hard drive to hard drive.  The application Jimm linked appears to only move games from one drive to another on the same PC.  Something which Steam itself can take care of for you, anyway.  

Yes, that's what I understood too after reading. In this case it'll have to be you method, because it's between computers.

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Well,

at least for me it didn't work. Came home with a copy of the FSW folder.

Started a fresh install of DTG's FSW, and when the progresso bar of the download was already some 2 minutes fom the start, i interrupted it, shot down Steam, and then copied the FSW folder I brought from teh other PC into the "common" folder of the home PC disk...

When I started DTG's FSW again, it simply started the full download :-/

 

 

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Something is missing...  I've used this procedure to copy games from one PC to another many times over the years.  When I said to quit Steam completely via the system tray, did you perform that step?  

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3 minutes ago, TechguyMaxC said:

Something is missing...  I've used this procedure to copy games from one PC to another many times over the years.  When I said to quit Steam completely via the system tray, did you perform that step?  

Yep, even rebooted my Win 10 Pro. Never mind, it is installed now, again :-)

I probably did something wrong...

Thx anyway!

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How long did the download last?  I've seen a download occur before but usually it's small and doesn't take long on a fast connection.  So fast in fact that most of the time I don't even see it.  With a slow connection I suppose that could take long enough to make it seem like it was going to download the whole thing...

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Yeah, you don't have to do it the way described, and it works best not to, actually.  There's no need to start and interrupt installs.  Just install Steam on the download computer with good internet access.  Once Steam is installed, install FSW, preferably onto an external or portable harddrive so you don't have to worry about the extra copying step.  You can tell Steam to create and install to a new library on your portable drive. 

Now, take that copy of FSW to your home computer where you want to install the game but the internet is too slow.  If you want to install to your regular Steam game folder, you don't have to create any new folders.  Just copy FSW from the portable drive into the /common/ folder of your Steam install.  THEN, and only then, open Steam on your home computer and tell it to install FSW.  It will ask where you want to install it (if you have multiple steam folders) and you tell it where you've copied FSW.  It will then look for files already installed, find all of them, and verify them.  This will take a little while.  Then you're golden.

If you don't already have Steam installed on your home computer, do that first.  If you want to put FSW on to a different drive than the regular Steam install, then you'll have to create that folder.  You can have as many as you like on as many drives as you like.  You just need to create a "SteamLibrary" folder, and in that a "steamapps" folder, and in that a "common" folder.  Put your FSW install into that.  Open Steam, tell it to install FSW and point it to that new Steamlibrary and it will do as above.  

I've done this many times, and did it with FSW actually last week, since my home internet is crapola as well.  

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44 minutes ago, Griphos said:

Yeah, you don't have to do it the way described, and it works best not to, actually.  There's no need to start and interrupt installs.  Just install Steam on the download computer with good internet access.  Once Steam is installed, install FSW, preferably onto an external or portable harddrive so you don't have to worry about the extra copying step.  You can tell Steam to create and install to a new library on your portable drive. 

Now, take that copy of FSW to your home computer where you want to install the game but the internet is too slow.  If you want to install to your regular Steam game folder, you don't have to create any new folders.  Just copy FSW from the portable drive into the /common/ folder of your Steam install.  THEN, and only then, open Steam on your home computer and tell it to install FSW.  It will ask where you want to install it (if you have multiple steam folders) and you tell it where you've copied FSW.  It will then look for files already installed, find all of them, and verify them.  This will take a little while.  Then you're golden.

If you don't already have Steam installed on your home computer, do that first.  If you want to put FSW on to a different drive than the regular Steam install, then you'll have to create that folder.  You can have as many as you like on as many drives as you like.  You just need to create a "SteamLibrary" folder, and in that a "steamapps" folder, and in that a "common" folder.  Put your FSW install into that.  Open Steam, tell it to install FSW and point it to that new Steamlibrary and it will do as above.  

I've done this many times, and did it with FSW actually last week, since my home internet is crapola as well.  

Copying the files to an intermediary storage mechanism in order to not have to download over a slow internet connection is precisely what we've both outlined.  Your method is functionally no different than the one I provided.  The "extra copying step" as you put it is a basic function of any Operating System which provides access to a file system.  You act as though this is some unfair burden, an unreasonable step to take.  

Besides, it's a moot point anyway as the process completed hours ago and he said as much.  Guess you couldn't be bothered to read that far.  Explains why you think copying from one directory to another is too much to ask :laugh:

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I read the thread.  I was offering a better method.  I guess you didn't read my post carefully.  I wasn't suggesting your method included an extra copying step.  Your method is less reliable because it involves starting an install and interrupting it.  There is no need for that.  That is the difference between our methods.  Not copying directories.  Of course that step is the same.  

The bit about "extra copying step" was about putting the install on a portable drive rather than the office computer HDD, which would then involve copying it to the cloud or a thumb drive to bring home.  

Again, just to be clear.  The difference between methods is that you should only ask Steam to install the sim/game onto the home computer AFTER you have already copied the sim/game onto that computer, NOT after asking Steam to start an install and interrupt it.  

It was worth mentioning this since your method didn't work for him initially and he thought he "did something wrong."  He didn't.  Steam just got confused because of the unnecessary step you suggested.  

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It did work, he's just never done it before so he didn't know what to expect.  There is a brief, often unnoticeable (provided a fast enough internet connection), download and file verification process after the copy is complete.  In his case it took a couple minutes.  I've been using this method for years, and it has never failed.  Your "better method" is functional identical.  How is that better?  The process of starting the install and interrupting it needs only occur in order to create the requisite folder structure on the target drive.  There's no risk in this, and it's actually quite ingenious since it gets Steam to do virtually all the work for you.  

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6 hours ago, TechguyMaxC said:

It did work, he's just never done it before so he didn't know what to expect.  There is a brief, often unnoticeable (provided a fast enough internet connection), download and file verification process after the copy is complete.  In his case it took a couple minutes.  I've been using this method for years, and it has never failed.  Your "better method" is functional identical.  How is that better?  The process of starting the install and interrupting it needs only occur in order to create the requisite folder structure on the target drive.  There's no risk in this, and it's actually quite ingenious since it gets Steam to do virtually all the work for you.  

Well, I believe I did all by the book :-)

I had installed FSW at the fast internet link PC. Then I did two things, one of them I don't even know how to use in the future because I can't find any option to restore a game backup for FSW.

1) I did, through the Steam menu, a game backup, which created 25 folders under a "Backups" folder in teh default "C:\Program Files(x86)\Steam" folder;

2) I then installed FSW into the G: partition of that PC, on a SteamLibrary folder I asked to be created there, and when the game finished installing I copied the whole "FSW" folder under

the "Common" folder into an external disk;

3) At the other PC, with the slow internet connection, I installed Steam, then started the FSW installation, creating a "SteamLibrary" folder under an F: partition I have in that PC;

4) As Steam started downloading teh game files, and let it go for about 5 min and checked that the "Common\FSW" folder had already been created, although it was still empty, because the files, as usual, were being first downloaded into the other folder under the "SteamLibrary" one... 

5) After 5 min I interrupted the install, by Pausing the download, then closed Steam, and rebooted the PC - Steam was configured even not to start with Windows startup;

6) When the system was back up, I copied my external disk contents of FSW into the F:\...\Common\FSW dolder, which was still empty before that, and when the copy finished, I strated Steam, and then hit the FSW tab to start the game, which started the content download prcess again. It was showing 2hrs to go, and the packed files were being stored at the this PC's transfer folder for the Steam install... After 10 minutes of download, it was still announcing near 2hrs to finish, an the packed files continued to be downloaded to that area....  

I thn decided to wipe the contents of the FSW folder under "common" and waited for the install to terminate... It installed the full game again...

--> I also wonder for what is worth the "backup" I did using the Backup Game option, which created those 25 folders.... I could I restore that backup ?

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There's your problem.  You paused the download.  If you go back to my instructions, I did not say to do that.  In doing so, you essentially told Steam to continue with the download regardless of whether or not it needed to.  

Anyway, live and learn.  Hope you enjoy FSW.  I haven't put much time into it yet myself, busy with other things but the pace of updates is very encouraging.

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Incredible ! That must be it - and believe me I did think about it before hitting the Pause button :-/

Thanks again for your support - it could have made it a lot faster and save some additional bandwidth to my internet provider ... :-)

22 hours ago, TechguyMaxC said:

 

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The problem is doing what you suggested, since you can't "cancel" an install. You can only interrupt it. Even if you click the "x" box after pausing, the install process remains in the queue and Steam may try to continue it.  The only way to fully cancel a download/install is to use the delete local content option in Steam, which will remove the folders you just had it create.  If you start an install and download, then interrupt it, then move files around, THAT is when you can confuse Steam.

That is the functional difference in our methods. My version doesn't start a Steam process you don't want started until you have all the files in place. My version prevents precisely the thing that happened in this case. 

I'm sorry you got your feelings hurt by my correction of your more problematic method.  The only part of your method I was trying to correct was just that one problematic step.  The step that caused a problem in this specific case.

I have almost 150 Steam games on six different drives on two computers and move different games often to make space. Doing it your way on a couple of occasions has caused problems. Doing it my way never does. 

For the sake of others who may read this after searching for how to do this, let me say again, creating the folders you need is easy. Getting Steam to do it by starting and stopping an install process introduces unnecessary variables that can create issues. You decide which method you would prefer to try. 

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Why are you still posting about this?  It's done.  It was done yesterday.  There is nothing "problematic" about my method if you follow the instructions precisely.  If you are baking an apple pie and you insert an extra step you will still end up with an apple pie, it will just take longer.  This is precisely what happened to the OP.  Your assertion otherwise indicates you don't understand the inner workings of Steam or its method of software installation.  

Steam will not redownload all the files using my method, UNLESS you do as the OP did and pause the install prior to quiting Steam.  Using my method, Steam does a file verification of the contents of the game install directory in order to ascertain whether or not files need to be downloaded.  Its a feature of the Steam client designed to save bandwidth for Valve's game servers.  Why download GB of files if you don't have to?  

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You did the hard way actually. Steam backup and restore is core feature on Steam. It´s very simple. You don´t have to start a new download on the second computer. There´s an option on Steam to restore a game, just click there and point to steam where are the files you backed up. 

Look:https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?s=3128fbe27e0dfd3ee4a6f385ee8c3047&ref=8794-YPHV-2033&l=english

 

Creating Backup Files

  1. Right-click the game in the Library section
  2. Select Backup game files...
  3. Check the boxes for any other games to backup at this time
  4. Click Next >
  5. Browse to the folder where you wish to create the backup files (the files will be stored in c:\program files\valve\steam\Backups by default) and click Next >
  6. Select the Backup file name and set the File size for the media you plan to use.
  7. Click Next > to begin the backup process.
  8. Once complete, choose Open backup folder  to move or burn copies of the backup files

 

Restoring from Backup Files

  1. Install Steam and log in to the correct Steam account (see Installing Steam for further instructions)
  2. Launch Steam
  3. Click on "Steam" in the upper left corner of the Steam application
  4. Select "Backup and restore games..."
  5. Select "Restore a previous backup"
  6. Browse to the location of the game's backup files
  7. Continue through the Steam windows to install the necessary games.

 

About the number of files created, there´s a step to choose the size of each file, just type a lot of 9´s like that: "9999999". Steam will understand you have enough space and will create only one folder to your game. This is used for people saving in CD´s or DVD´s (not a lot of space).

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