January 23, 200620 yr I noted that the localiser (LLZ) and the glide path (GP) can have different frequencies. For example, at Heathrow the AIP gives the LLZ frequency for Rwy 09L as 110.3 MHz (used in FS) and for the GP as 335.0 MHz. This difference in frequency appears at other UK airports, with LLZ being in the 1xx.x MHz range and the GP in 3xx.x MHz range.What happens in real life? Is there a need to select both, or are they linked in some way so that selecting the LLZ also tunes the GP? Gerry Howard
January 23, 200620 yr The frequencies are paired. Not sure why the AIP shows the G/S freq, as I have never ever seen an ILS receiver with a separately tunable G/S receiver.RegardsBob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-V L-300Santiago de Chile Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V Sys1 (MSFS20+24/XPlane12+11): AMD 9800X3D, water 2x240mm, MSI MPG X670E Carbon, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, nVidia RTX4090FE Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090 Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz, 3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090 Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus, TM TCA Officer Pack, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog, TM RS300 FF wheel/pedals, Coolermaster HAF XB case
January 24, 200620 yr The FAA Instrument Flight Handbook says:"VHF Localiser provides horizontal guidance 108.10 - 111.95 MHz...UHF glideslope transmitter provides vertical guidance 329.3 - 335.0 MHz"The relationship between the frequencies appears to be a sawtooth one. Anyone know what it is, and are they automatically linked in the real world? Gerry Howard
January 24, 200620 yr Author Found this explanation at:http://www.ntsb.gov/events/KAL801/Exhibits/Ex_9E.pdfAs for VOR or LLZ, "the [frequency] control selects a VHF localizer frequency which automatically selects the paired UHF glideslope frequency using a 2-of-5 binary, bridge tuning, or serial data word format." (so now we know.... :-roll )regards,Jeff Jeff Hunter
January 24, 200620 yr Similar to DME. DME's also have their own frequency. But they are paired with a VOR frequency. Manny Beta tester for SIMStarter
January 25, 200620 yr And another little-known trivia tidbit, is that all TACAN stations have integrated DME...the freq is paired with the TACAN channel. The channel pairings can be found in the military Flight Information Handbook (FIH). It's still available on the NGA website until it goes behind the .mil/.gov firewall this year.AFAIK, FS doesn't do TACANs though. A shame, that.Bob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-V L-300Santiago de Chile Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V Sys1 (MSFS20+24/XPlane12+11): AMD 9800X3D, water 2x240mm, MSI MPG X670E Carbon, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, nVidia RTX4090FE Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090 Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz, 3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090 Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus, TM TCA Officer Pack, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog, TM RS300 FF wheel/pedals, Coolermaster HAF XB case
January 25, 200620 yr I've always wondered on TACAN, what makes it different from VOR/DME? I've heard something about the fact that it eliminates slant-range or something. Any truth to that?----------------------------------------------------------------John MorganReal World: KGEG, UND Aerospace Spokane Satillite, Private ASEL 141.2 hrs, 314 landings, 46 inst. apprs.Virtual: MSFS 2004"There is a feeling about an airport that no other piece of ground can have. No matter what the name of the country on whose land it lies, an airport is a place you can see and touch that leads to a reality that can only be thought and felt." - The Bridge Across Forever: A Love Story by Richard Bach John Morgan "There is a feeling about an airport that no other piece of ground can have. No matter what the name of the country on whose land it lies, an airport is a place you can see and touch that leads to a reality that can only be thought and felt." - The Bridge Across Forever: A Love Story by Richard Bach
January 25, 200620 yr Nope, the DME signal off a TACAN station is exactly the same as what you get from a VOR-DME, VORTAC, or ILS-DME. Slant range and all. And TACAN has this nasty error mode called 40-degree lock-on error, which I've only seen once...but then you only need to see it once to be very wary.TACAN uses UHF frequencies (instead of VHF) to transmit the radial information, making the antenna size requirements much smaller, and thus making portable ops possible. A TACAN antenna is a cylinder about the same size/shape as a 100 gal water heater.CheersBob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-V L-300Santiago de Chile Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V Sys1 (MSFS20+24/XPlane12+11): AMD 9800X3D, water 2x240mm, MSI MPG X670E Carbon, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, nVidia RTX4090FE Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090 Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz, 3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090 Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus, TM TCA Officer Pack, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog, TM RS300 FF wheel/pedals, Coolermaster HAF XB case
January 26, 200620 yr >The FAA Instrument Flight Handbook says:>>"VHF Localiser provides horizontal guidance 108.10 - 111.95>MHz...UHF glideslope transmitter provides vertical guidance>329.3 - 335.0 MHz"And to add to this, Localiser frequencies are only on the odd tenths in that range. Example being 108.20 and 110.85 are VOR and not ILS frequencies whereas 108.50 and 110.35 are LOC/GS frequencies. And yes, the GS frequencies are paired up with the LOC frequencies inside the VHF/NAV receiver. Tuning a LOC automatically tunes the GS.Cheers,JohnBoeing 727/737 & Lockheed C-130/L-100 Mechanichttp://www.sstsim.com/images/team/JR.jpg
January 27, 200620 yr Ah. I just remember reading something about elimination of slant range for military aircraft that had the equipment but I wasn't sure the credibility of the information. I knew the DME information for us Civies was the same as civilian DME.----------------------------------------------------------------John MorganReal World: KGEG, UND Aerospace Spokane Satillite, Private ASEL 141.2 hrs, 314 landings, 46 inst. apprs.Virtual: MSFS 2004"There is a feeling about an airport that no other piece of ground can have. No matter what the name of the country on whose land it lies, an airport is a place you can see and touch that leads to a reality that can only be thought and felt." - The Bridge Across Forever: A Love Story by Richard Bach John Morgan "There is a feeling about an airport that no other piece of ground can have. No matter what the name of the country on whose land it lies, an airport is a place you can see and touch that leads to a reality that can only be thought and felt." - The Bridge Across Forever: A Love Story by Richard Bach
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