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The 390 Premier 1A documentation?

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Just curious to see how close the add on comes to the real one. 

Regards,

Ray

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Any one know why some 1A have 3 windows per side, others have 4 windows per side.  Descriptions say they are all 1A models.

Just curious.

 

Regards,

 

Ray

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49 minutes ago, raymar said:

Any one know why some 1A have 3 windows per side, others have 4 windows per side.  Descriptions say they are all 1A models.

Just curious.

 

Regards,

 

Ray

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The fourth window is completely fake. It's just a black decal. Many 390 owners found the appearance of the fuselage too "squat" with only three windows, so Beech offered the faux fourth window decal as an option.

 

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Carenado caught on to this, I was pleasantly surprised...there's a option on the "doors manager" panel to toggle the fake windows.

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31 minutes ago, C525B said:

Carenado caught on to this, I was pleasantly surprised...there's a option on the "doors manager" panel to toggle the fake windows.

Neat.  Very unlike Carenado. I am also pleasantly surprised.

Thanks C525B.

Regards,

Ray

 

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On 6/10/2017 at 8:19 PM, raymar said:

Maybe Flight Safety manuals, AFM, Ops data, training posters, etc?

I must be looking in the wrong places - zilch, zero, nada, nothing of interest online.  Must be the name Raytheon, Beechcraft, Beech, 390, Premier 1, ???

PM me please if you know where I can find some info.  I was able to find an original sales brochure (pdf) with some good design performance info.

Regards,

Ray

Of course. Beechcraft sells their material on their website.  http://www.beechcraft.com/customer_support/technical_publications/Search.aspx?SearchPartNumber=&SearchModel=45&SearchManual=9&SearchProduct=Manual

$680 for a FAA approved manual. Online access is $122.

The FlightSafety PTM is available through your myFlightSafety account if you are enrolled in a course. It was also my understanding that FSI was rolling out a watermarking technology that when you download a document from your myFlightSafety account it puts your customer information into the PDF file. I suspect that newer customers who have PDF with their customer number encoded are going to be less likely to share their products. 

You could e-mail Beechcraft and let them know you are media working for AVSIM and reviewing a product based on their Premier IA and ask for a media copy of their Airplane Flight Manual. 

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1 hour ago, Caribpilot said:

Ray, will you be reviewing this one?

Yes, I just got the download this morning.  I have been collecting background data for a month or so.

Regards,

Ray

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4 hours ago, KenG said:

 

You could e-mail Beechcraft and let them know you are media working for AVSIM and reviewing a product based on their Premier IA and ask for a media copy of their Airplane Flight Manual. 

 

Thanks Ken. I have everything I could possibly use already. A truckload of info arrived this morning.

btw, Carenado says they have improved the FLC and VNAV for this one.  This is certainly encouraging. I really like the looks of the P1A.

Regards,

Ray

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Has the FMA indications been fixed? In all versions of the Proline21 thus far ALTS indication doesn't show in white when arming an altitude to be captured.

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2 minutes ago, Caribpilot said:

Has the FMA indications been fixed? In all versions of the Proline21 thus far ALTS indication doesn't show in white when arming an altitude to be captured.

Marion,

I will check that out and let you know.  I am just completing the installs and checking the model vs the rw books now. I have noticed a lot of clicks and sounds have been added for this one.  The cockpit is really clean and uncluttered and I really like the Flight Guidance Panel top center under the glare shield.

 

Regards,

Ray

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38 minutes ago, Caribpilot said:

Has the FMA indications been fixed? In all versions of the Proline21 thus far ALTS indication doesn't show in white when arming an altitude to be captured.

Nope.  Also, many modes simply don't work with the F/D on and A/P disconnected.  Many times, you'll turn on the A/P and the scoreboard will change to show all this different stuff that you didn't know you had selected.  :laugh:

I have reported this in the past, as well as the alt alert chime only sounding once in a blue moon.  As far as I can recall, I wrote support tickets on it for all the other PL21 releases I have--Hawker, CJ2, 350i--to no avail.

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Hmmmmm.  Is this a new crew?  I haven't seen the pilot and copilot before. I have complained for years about the STP (same two pilots) flying everything, I mean everything from Carenado and Alabeo.  I can't remember my last Carenado add on but they are certainly new to me - good looking crew, too.

Yep, I haven't seen anything in WHITE on the ANN yet. I need to put in a FMS flight plan and see what it looks like. I have been spoiled with the Flight1 GTNs.

 

Regards,

Ray

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If the FMA indications don't work correctly....Carenado needs to address this because it is confusing to those who know how it should work. I don't think its fair that the community has to fix it all the time. That being said....hopefully some upgrades can be done similar to the CJ2.

I've also pointed out in the past that the direct to feature needs to be updated because it makes the aircraft intercept a direct course relative to the previous waypoint and not to the aircraft itself.

Thankfully the newer Proline products are not as bad as the Hawker which to this day (some 2 yrs later) still can't capture an altitude...

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I want to write the review based on the vanilla version but soon thereafter will see if we can team up with Bert , Janek, and Ramon to add the GTN to the panel and tweak whatever is still left undone if anything.  The documentation is finally getting better and the final rollout checks seems to be catching more of the little stuff like misspelled labels and backward switch throws, etc.

Do you know if this is a new crew for Carenado?

 

Regards,

Ray

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Not sure if the crew is new but they seem to be paying more and more attention the customers.

 

By the way, it would be nice if some of the Proline updates (the basic updates minus the GTN mod) could be brought over to the C90 GTX and perhaps even the Hawker 850XP.

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I have 6 years experience on the Premiere 1A as a mechanic and avionics tech, so I know the aircraft and systems well.

I am tempted to buy this, but... It's Carenado. I purchased their 800XP Hawker with its so-called Proline 21 cockpit a couple of years ago. The aircraft was gorgeous visually, and did hand-fly quite nicely, but the systems, displays and autopilot were so badly done that it completely killed the immersion. I don't expect perfect r/w accuracy in a mid-priced add-on, but the Hawker was so bad, in so many ways, that I'm reluctant to waste money again with Carenado.

I'm curious if they have implemented the roll spoiler computer and lift dump self-tests that have to be performed before each flight. I ask, because one of the inflight cockpit pics on the Carenado product page for this aircraft showed both left and right roll spoiler "fail" annunciators lit.

In a nutshell, after engine start, once hydraulics are online, the pilot has to turn and hold the yoke fully left, which initiates the L/H roll spoiler actuator test. When the L/H spoiler fail annunciator goes out, the pilot then holds the yoke full right until the R/H fail annunciator shuts off . He then neutralizes the yoke, and deploys and then retracts the lift dump (both roll spoilers extend together). This shuts off the lift dump fail annunciator. Only after these tests are complete can the aircraft fly.

I'd be glad to answer any technical questions about the aircraft - however,  l no longer have access to the tech manuals, as the aircraft was sold.

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Jim, I will wring this one out and run those tests. I have the FSI systems manual and training manual so I should be able to check it properly.  You can see the flaperons working in turns and that looks good.

I went looking for some closeups of the fake windows and found a few that have added them both fore and aft on both sides.  5 total real + fakes per side.  Left side have one on the cabin door plus the aft one.

Is there a Gross Weight readout someplace in the rw version.  I was looking for it to check the FF and speed at attitude but had to use the FSX dropdown Fuel and Payload to get it.  FF and speed are spot on at FL330, only place I checked.

Regards,

Ray

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16 minutes ago, raymar said:

 

Is there a Gross Weight readout someplace in the rw version.  I was looking for it to check the FF and speed at attitude but had to use the FSX dropdown Fuel and Payload to get it.  FF and speed are spot on at FL330, only place I checked

GW should be available after entering the number of passengers and fuel load in the FMS PERF page - (if that is modeled).

The aircraft will cruise quite happily at Mach 0.80, and for trips of any distance it typically cruises between FL390 and FL410, which is its rated ceiling.

Probably 90 percent of the time, the aircraft departs with full fuel. At best, its range is only  around 1200 NM - maybe a bit more with a good tailwind.

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On 6/12/2017 at 4:08 PM, raymar said:

I want to write the review based on the vanilla version but soon thereafter will see if we can team up with Bert , Janek, and Ramon to add the GTN to the panel and tweak whatever is still left undone if anything.  The documentation is finally getting better and the final rollout checks seems to be catching more of the little stuff like misspelled labels and backward switch throws, etc.

Do you know if this is a new crew for Carenado?

 

Regards,

Ray

I'm all about fixing any issues with the aircraft but can we hold off putting the gtn in it?  I know everyone wants to get their money's worth with the gtn but it doesn't seem to be a proper fit for this aircraft.....just my two cents

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2 hours ago, jaybird2159 said:

I'm all about fixing any issues with the aircraft but can we hold off putting the gtn in it?  I know everyone wants to get their money's worth with the gtn but it doesn't seem to be a proper fit for this aircraft.....just my two cents

Jaybird2159,

The GTN should fit in the Premier panel almost exactly like is does in the CJ2 Panel.  Same 3 PC-21 panels in both planes.  We might have to dig a little for a place to relocate the engine gauges but that shouldn't be a problem (might use the CDU or FMS screen).  Otherwise the code is probably already 90% written.  the CJ2 code can from the Hawker H850.

Regards,

Ray

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2 hours ago, jaybird2159 said:

I'm all about fixing any issues with the aircraft but can we hold off putting the gtn in it?  I know everyone wants to get their money's worth with the gtn but it doesn't seem to be a proper fit for this aircraft.....just my two cents

I think the screen minus the bezel is, especially if it'll fit without looking distorted.  The real Proline has a moving map/safe taxi feature that can also display charts.  Of course Carenado did not model this with any of theirs.  The GTN adds these and a few other features like WAAS and LPV approach capabilities which really allows you to use the planes to greater capabilities!  It does take away from the whole using the FMS part though......not that the carenado FMS are that great to begin with LOL

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33 minutes ago, raymar said:

Jaybird2159,

The GTN should fit in the Premier panel almost exactly like is does in the CJ2 Panel.  Same 3 PC-21 panels in both planes.  We might have to dig a little for a place to relocate the engine gauges but that shouldn't be a problem (might use the CDU or FMS screen).  Otherwise the code is probably already 90% written.  the CJ2 code can from the Hawker H850.

Regards,

Ray

OH please don't move the engine gauges to the CDU screens, PLEASE.   Hopefully someone can find a way to add the GTN and just keep the engine info where its at.  I actually was not a fan of where it got moved in the CJ personally.

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